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jhall
13 December 2018 10:41:50

 

 

Can I just clarify: Does GFSP mean GFS paralell run?  And does GEFS mean the GFS ensembles??

Originally Posted by: Easternpromise 

Yes.


Cranleigh, Surrey
Easternpromise
13 December 2018 10:43:41

 

Yes.

Originally Posted by: jhall 

 

Thank You!!


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jhall
13 December 2018 10:44:15

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU06_222_1.png

Horrendous zonality ๐Ÿ˜ฎ๐Ÿ˜‚

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

Recent GFS runs do seem to be consistent in showing the Atlantic starting to quiet down in a week or so's time. 


Cranleigh, Surrey
Chunky Pea
13 December 2018 10:45:54

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU06_222_1.png

Horrendous zonality ๐Ÿ˜ฎ๐Ÿ˜‚

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

It's a very peculiar pattern in that the further the primary ridge pulls away, the more influence it gains. Very odd. 


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

Gooner
13 December 2018 11:04:06

A cold frosty Xmas morning 

 


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nsrobins
13 December 2018 11:49:04
Thereโ€™s nothing to be gained in forecasting from 7 days. Ensemble analysis dictates very low confidence in this period and up to around Christmas and thereโ€™s pretty much every solution available.

Somethings going on - I can smell it ๐Ÿ˜‰


Neil

Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)

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ballamar
13 December 2018 12:05:07
All goes abit flat on GFS at the end but looks like a default scenario. Before that lack of energy in jet stream, blocking floating around - could be a special period over Xmas. At least will feel festive in the run up - period of snow for some this weekend as well!
Gandalf The White
13 December 2018 12:20:41

There’s nothing to be gained in forecasting from 7 days. Ensemble analysis dictates very low confidence in this period and up to around Christmas and there’s pretty much every solution available.
Somethings going on - I can smell it ๐Ÿ˜‰

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

Indeed Neil, still almost any synoptic pattern is possible for the Christmas period from high pressure through to an easterly or northerly or low pressure and west or south-westerlies.

The ECM 00z ensemble for London for 2m temperatures:

 

Reasonably tight agreement between GFS, ECM Op and its ensemble mean for the next week.  From Thursday next week there's the usual spread but two points stand out:  firstly the ECM op was in the mildest optionson days 9 and 10, and secondly there is still a strongish signal favouring a steady cool down.  The GFS 00z was amongst the colder options but sits within the colder options on ECM.

 

Here's the wind strength chart:

No evidence of any strong winds or storms there but also little evidence of the calm you would expect under high pressure. 

 

Finally, the precipitation chart:

 

A similar story with few runs giving completely dry conditions but not many runs producing significant rainfall events either.


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JACKO4EVER
13 December 2018 13:17:57

There’s nothing to be gained in forecasting from 7 days. Ensemble analysis dictates very low confidence in this period and up to around Christmas and there’s pretty much every solution available.
Somethings going on - I can smell it ๐Ÿ˜‰

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

neil I hope it’s not another delivery of the Pizza Express you can smell ๐Ÿ˜‰

nsrobins
13 December 2018 13:40:31

 

neil I hope it’s not another delivery of the Pizza Express you can smell ๐Ÿ˜‰

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 

That’s fine next week - turkey and cranberry pizza sounds lush. After that a strict diet of low 850s and the pizzas will be on ice.

๐Ÿ˜‰


Neil

Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)

Stormchaser, Member TORRO

JACKO4EVER
13 December 2018 13:42:36

 

That’s fine next week - turkey and cranberry pizza sounds lush. After that a strict diet of low 850s and the pizzas will be on ice.

๐Ÿ˜‰

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

๐Ÿ˜‚

Amen to that 

Saint Snow
13 December 2018 14:46:30


Somethings going on - I can smell it ๐Ÿ˜‰

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

 

It'll be the sprouts.

 

 


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David M Porter
13 December 2018 15:06:37

There’s nothing to be gained in forecasting from 7 days. Ensemble analysis dictates very low confidence in this period and up to around Christmas and there’s pretty much every solution available.
Somethings going on - I can smell it ๐Ÿ˜‰

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

Maybe Theresa May has managed to upset the weather as well.


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ballamar
13 December 2018 15:27:05
So while waiting whatโ€™s the predictions on 12z, I think the blocking signal will increase and be in more favourable positions. Zonality will become less and less likely.
Surrey John
13 December 2018 15:42:37

 

It’s basically the opposite of that here - easterlies will almost always deliver rain (even the cold ones), a decent northerly (a rare Beast these days) will almost always give snow here.

On that subject some transient snow still looks possible for inland northern parts especially with elevation at the weekend before things become more unsettled (or not knowing the case of the 12z UKMO). Nothing too notable in terms of temperature one way or the other.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

 

The transient snow on Saturday afternoon and evening shows up well here

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm.php?ech=64&mode=42&map=5

 

scrolling through the times, there is the occasional yellow showing (ice pellet) which could make some routes slippery for a while

 

 

 


Bradford on Avon, Wiltshire

35m ASL

squish
13 December 2018 15:43:11
Much more blocked ICON 12z. Very much like the outlier 06z run that quickly went cold (no.4)


D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl
squish
13 December 2018 15:43:49
ballamar
13 December 2018 16:19:13
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU12_156_1.png 

Signs of ridging into Scandinavia- nice to see week before Xmas

ballamar
13 December 2018 16:40:03
Very very quiet Atlantic could start to create own cold pool
ballamar
Gandalf The White
13 December 2018 16:54:43

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU12_312_1.png

If only...

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

That's a horrible chart - the jetstream is about to steamroller the fragile upper ridge.

A significant surge of Arctic air plunges down behind that major LP system. That has all the makings of kicking off more cyclogenesis but if not we will get into some pretty cold westerlies.


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130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



Gusty
13 December 2018 16:58:24

The NWP appears to be trending away from the mild and mobile signature of a few days ago in favour of colder and more blocked. 


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ballamar
13 December 2018 17:20:28

 

That's a horrible chart - the jetstream is about to steamroller the fragile upper ridge.

A significant surge of Arctic air plunges down behind that major LP system. That has all the makings of kicking off more cyclogenesis but if not we will get into some pretty cold westerlies.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

 

see it different chance of high inflating and any energy being deflected under the block leading to a cold continental flow. But you could be right

tallyho_83
13 December 2018 17:23:18

 

 

see it different chance of high inflating and any energy being deflected under the block leading to a cold continental flow. But you could be right

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

From the north Pole view down: - See the wider picture

Gosh how many slices of Pizza does the UK need?


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ballamar
13 December 2018 17:25:05

 

From the north Pole view down: - See the wider picture

Gosh how many slices of Pizza does the UK need?

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

 

that phrase is tiresome now

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