White Meadows
13 December 2018 22:36:19

Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Sone very cold members starting to show up on the ECM De Bilt ensembles.


Something's definitely brewing.


http://www.weersite.net/?actueel&ensemble&ecmwfpluim


 


 


Plenty of mild ones in there too. 


CFS monthly update couldn’t  look more mild for January. At least Feb is indicative of something more seasonal, no doubt we’ll be into ‘solar warming’ territory by then 🤪


http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/CFSv2/htmls/euT2me3Mon.html


 

Gandalf The White
13 December 2018 22:37:33

GFS 18z is evolving differently to the 12z and has the makings of a classic pub run as we approach the end of the high res output.


T+228 and WAA is being pumped up towards Greenland 



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Hippydave
13 December 2018 22:41:16

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


GFS 18z is evolving differently to the 12z and has the makings of a classic pub run as we approach the end of the high res output.


T+228 and WAA is being pumped up towards Greenland 




Nice to see the PV split all over the place if nothing else. Potential and all that


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Phil G
13 December 2018 22:44:27
Interesting run from GFS this evening.
Certainly potential from here.
http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2222.gif 
ballamar
13 December 2018 22:50:28
One of those runs where it would bring chaos countrywide!! Blocking is favoured where the pv usually sits
nsrobins
13 December 2018 23:08:15

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


Plenty of mild ones in there too. 


CFS monthly update couldn’t  look more mild for January. At least Feb is indicative of something more seasonal, no doubt we’ll be into ‘solar warming’ territory by then 🤪


http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/CFSv2/htmls/euT2me3Mon.html


 



Go back and have a look at the next run. I guarantee it will look different. The CFS monthly anomalies are the electronic manifestation of chocolate teapots if ever there is such a thing.


On topic - the NWP is in what I call ‘scooby’ mode at the moment. Wild swings intra and inter run. Somethings brewing.


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tallyho_83
14 December 2018 02:46:17

Originally Posted by: marco 79 


 


 


 


 


 


 


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Wedge of Cheddar....would seem better.....preferably Mild Cheddar......sorry !!!!



'Chedder'? That's too 'cheesy' 


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Retron
14 December 2018 03:51:12

Something's definitely brewing. The ECM stratosphere charts now show a reversal right at the top - just look how hot it is forecast to be up there!



http://www.geo.fu-berlin.de/en/met/ag/strat/produkte/winterdiagnostics/index.html


EDIT: And although the written MetO forecast studiously avoids mentioning it, look what's on the automated forecast for today IMBY!



 


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White Meadows
14 December 2018 05:30:03

Originally Posted by: Retron 


Something's definitely brewing. The ECM stratosphere charts now show a reversal right at the top - just look how hot it is forecast to be up there!



http://www.geo.fu-berlin.de/en/met/ag/strat/produkte/winterdiagnostics/index.html


EDIT: And although the written MetO forecast studiously avoids mentioning it, look what's on the automated forecast for today IMBY!



 


Cloud & drizzle?

Retron
14 December 2018 06:14:33

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


Cloud & drizzle?



Sleet. Believe me, that's exciting for here!


Leysdown, north Kent
White Meadows
14 December 2018 06:26:31
Really still nothing of interest on the ensembles. Not a whiff.

http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png 


The hunt goes on... but I’m not convinced of any marked cold spell this year.
Chunky Pea
14 December 2018 06:46:11

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


 


That wretched, overused word has rapidly made it to the top of my hated terms. 


What is wrong with the good, old-fashioned term 'warm sector'?  


 


 



Ah, so that's what a 'pizza slice' is. 


Think I'll stick with 'warm sector' myself. It uses the same amount of letters so no more or no less effort involved. 


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14 December 2018 06:59:12

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 

I’m really surprised this place isn’t a little more busy. I think we are well placed for a cold snap between Christmas and New Year.


People getting tired of hopecasting? Ensembles for a selection of western European sites look very much close to average for the majority of runs.


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14 December 2018 08:10:14

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU00_180_1.png


I always get the feeling when charts like this are in the offing (messy) that usually something is brewing.


While the ensembles are not showing much YET. I do get the feeling that these could shift very suddenly.


I haven't been this optimistic over Christmas period for sometime.


Interesting things to remember (that's keeping me going at least)


1) The old adage that there is always two or three attempts at Easterly before we get the full wack


2) The Atlantic, despite numerous attempts recently hasn't really got going. This week is a case in point.


Obviously it remains to be seen if we do get anything - but for people like me who have been starved of a White Christmas - I am extremely hopeful now.


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Solar Cycles
14 December 2018 08:49:49
Not much Xmas cheer in the output this morning but something is afoot in the output with the models struggling with the warming in the stratosphere taking place.
David M Porter
14 December 2018 09:13:33

For me, the differences between the ECM and GFS 00z op runs could not be more stark this morning. It is beginning to remind me a bit of the way those two models were chopping and changing for a while back in mid-February this year, just as the SSW which preceded the Beast from the East was taking place. I'm not in any way trying to suggest that history is about tob repeat itself but one does get the feeling that this something is afoot.


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Gavin D
14 December 2018 09:27:30

UKMO extended swinging towards ECM this morning


ukm2.2018122100_168_lant.troplant_prp_fcst.gentracker.thumb.png.a376ee54872f7b1fc77d34e08847de90.png


 


At least it won't be cold 

Saint Snow
14 December 2018 09:48:00

Harrumph. I begin my usual daily read-through of MO thread posts since last night and see an optimistic post from the always excellent Retron, only for that to be followed by a logjam of misery from everyone else.



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SEMerc
14 December 2018 09:59:02

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Harrumph. I begin my usual daily read-through of MO thread posts since last night and see an optimistic post from the always excellent Retron, only for that to be followed by a logjam of misery from everyone else.



I don't really need to plough the whole thread if I'm looking for an indication of cold. 


All I need to do is to see if the individuals on my 'twats list' are the most recent posters. 

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