Arcus
13 June 2017 17:01:56
Ally Pally Snowman
13 June 2017 18:44:01

Heat still there on the ecm 17/18c 850s . What's the June record could be under threat?


 


 


http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1442.html


 


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picturesareme
13 June 2017 18:48:26

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Heat still there on the ecm 17/18c 850s . What's the June record could be under threat?


 


 


http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1442.html


 



35.6C / 96.1F


Southampton back in June 1976

Ally Pally Snowman
13 June 2017 18:54:22

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


 


35.6C / 96.1F


Southampton back in June 1976



 


Thanks for that. Will be tough but u never know.


 


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Ally Pally Snowman
13 June 2017 18:59:16

Ecm goes all gfs after day 6 though . Very different  to the 0z.


 


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moomin75
13 June 2017 19:00:47

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Ecm goes all gfs after day 6 though . Very different  to the 0z.


 


As expected by some on here. Nothing is certain but the more changeable ECM backing towards GFS remains more likely in my view. I think the weekend is looking very decent for most but at the current time it looks like a short lived burst of warmth before a return to temps in the high teens and shower weather.


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Ally Pally Snowman
13 June 2017 19:15:14

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


As expected by some on here. Nothing is certain but the more changeable ECM backing towards GFS remains more likely in my view. I think the weekend is looking very decent for most but at the current time it looks like a short lived burst of warmth before a return to temps in the high teens and shower weather.



 


Could well be , but there is so much heat to our south at the moment any type of southerly will be a very warm or hot one this summer. 


 


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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
13 June 2017 19:18:34

I can see a forthcoming in the short to mid range a four day heatwave, shown from Friday to Monday- backed by in general a Thundery Low from Spain and Bay of Biscay, and that northwest UK bound Developing Short wave trof then Low Pressure, today's 12z ECMWF really out on it's own but I can see that the UKMO looks like being closest to the outcome for T144 Monday 19th June.


The GFS tracking Low's over the North and NW UK then push down the eastern side with Pressure higher SW UK half at same time if GFS is to be believed - this does not look like what today's ECMWF is on about- it supports a freak SW UK far W and then the NW UK being on the receiving end of a Cool Low Pressure that is supporting UKMO's suggestion that on Monday first half of day should be very warm away from the West and NW far side UK.


And beyond that for next week there could be further rebuilding of High Pressure from SW Europe Azores high, with North Atlantic and NW Atlantic recurving Jetstream Flows and Waves of Low Pressure weaken as it comes closer to our West and North- we should be seeing some NW SE divide in our weather with NW side Low Pressure, with more cloudy wet weather possible but over the Eastern and Central to South UK High Pressure should bring slightly or moderately above average temperatures especially farther SE S and in Central UK.


The GFS and ECMWF as well as the UKMO will need further re analysis and checking for the 72-120 hour range and the T144's today are making me feel very excited for possible West NW France SW UK Thundery showers, Ideally I mean I wish to see them in east London but I do not mind if all of Monday the warm hot and sunny cloudless weather stays put instead- maybe it is turn for the west and NW UK to receive them which they have received many times already in the last 4 weeks.  The GFS is out on it's own at T144, so they should fix it.


I have seen plenty of heavy Thundery showers this year in this month of June anyway!.πŸ˜†πŸŒžπŸ˜‰β›ˆπŸ˜…πŸ˜ŽπŸŒžπŸŒ€.


Ps. Note if James aka Stormchaser reads this - Just edited another part about the 12z GFS for Monday to Tuesday next week because it goes different take.


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge.Β 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
moomin75
13 June 2017 19:24:39

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


 


 


Could well be , but there is so much heat to our south at the moment any type of southerly will be a very warm or hot one this summer. 


 


That's my hunch too. I am thinking warm and thundery summer. I never expect to see great heat in June. July and August though could prove very interesting this year as the heat directly to our South is exceptional for so early in the summer.


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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
13 June 2017 19:30:34

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


That's my hunch too. I am thinking warm and thundery summer. I never expect to see great heat in June. July and August though could prove very interesting this year as the heat directly to our South is exceptional for so early in the summer.



 


No Moomin, it looks like some of that very clear and sunny Continental heat is expected to affect us later this Friday and the Weekend and on Monday as well for those of us in the S C SE parts of the UK, with this very light winds and wall to wall sunshine being shown by ECMWF and the UKMO at 96-120-144, but the GFS does not for the Monday ahem.


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge.Β 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
Brian Gaze
14 June 2017 05:11:45

GFS00z looks hot and bothered next week. The heat in southern Europe is almost off the scale. Could be making the news.



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moomin75
14 June 2017 07:03:12

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


GFS00z looks hot and bothered next week. The heat in southern Europe is almost off the scale. Could be making the news.



That looks exceptional in southern Europe Brian. If the UK taps into that between now and August 40c surely isn't out of the question?


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Matty H
14 June 2017 07:37:35

But a blocking high was setting up in the Atlantic and signs are for a 2012-like summer. Right?


My guess (as I wouldn't be obnoxious enough to spout such things as claiming I'll be proved right) is for a summer of patterns like we've seen. Brief, possibly increasingly hotter waves of southerly plumes lapping on the southern U.K. Shores like waves lapping on a beach, interspersed with unsettled spells.


Thanks for the welcomes. I'm not back. I still read this thread occasionally and it's clear there are still one or two trolls on this site. No names mentioned. 


Weekend looking fantastic and I have a Bristol harbourside pub crawl to attend. Tough eh?


Rob K
14 June 2017 09:49:17

That's some quite insane heat for mid June over Spain, 28C+ at 850hPa this weekend and again next week!

A summer of short plumes of heat interspersed with cooldowns and thunderstorms would do for me... my pregnant wife might not agree with the desire for heat though!


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Hungry Tiger
14 June 2017 10:18:09

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


GFS00z looks hot and bothered next week. The heat in southern Europe is almost off the scale. Could be making the news.




That looks like 45C to 47C in southern Europe there.


 


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Brian Gaze
14 June 2017 12:13:17
Up, up and away. GEFS mean now close to +10C 850s.

http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/gefs.aspx?run=na&lg=850&lglocation=london 
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Solar Cycles
14 June 2017 15:25:18
A warm few days up here but nothing out of the ordinary before a return to average conditions follows. I'm hoping we don't see anything overly hot next week/week after, as I'm in hospital and they're not the best places to be in the heat.
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14 June 2017 17:32:08

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 

A warm few days up here but nothing out of the ordinary before a return to average conditions follows. I'm hoping we don't see anything overly hot next week/week after, as I'm in hospital and they're not the best places to be in the heat.

As much as I usually like hot weather, I feel the same. We have my mum's funeral next Thursday and I'd rather it not be too hot or thundery.  But we'll have to take what comes. 


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14 June 2017 19:08:05

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Up, up and away. GEFS mean now close to +10C 850s.

http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/gefs.aspx?run=na&lg=850&lglocation=london


The 12z GEFS is very interesting. We have two distinct clusters in the ensembles as we move into Monday of next week.


The first cluster takes the mean down quickly to around 2-3C by Tuesday. The other cluster keeps the mean at or above 10C. So a significant difference there. Both clusters have broadly equal numbers of runs.


Both the operational and control runs take a blended solution dropping the mean gradually. The ENS mean is basically in line with the op and control runs. So the blended solution would seem to be a sensible basis for a forecast at the moment, while noting there is a higher than usual degree of uncertainty in that outcome.

Gary L
14 June 2017 19:44:03

Really wish the models would come to some sort of agreement! On the edge of my seat of Glastonbury weather.

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