Gavin D
28 December 2021 21:51:47

Sunday 2 Jan - Tuesday 11 Jan


A corridor of thicker cloud and rain likely moving northeastwards on Sunday, remaining mild to the southeast of this, but temperatures returning close to normal to its west. As the cloud and rain clear, northwesterly winds are likely to develop early in the following week. These winds will be strong at times, likely bring showers, and these showers will likely become wintry for at least a short time across the far north. However, moving beyond the midweek period changeable conditions with westerly winds are likely to spread across the UK. Spells of rain will be accompanied by milder conditions, these will likely be interspersed with showers and nearer average temperatures. During this time the most unsettled conditions will most likely be towards the northwest, and most settled towards the southeast.


Wednesday 12 Jan - Wednesday 26 Jan


Unsettled conditions are most likely through much of the period with spells of rain interspersed with drier but still showery interludes. Strong winds likely at times. Early in this period there is a chance of a spell of cold weather bringing a greater chance of snow particularly to northern regions. However, near or above average temperatures are the most likely outcomes. Through the end of the period there is a greater chance of some more settled spells developing, particularly across the S. This would increase the incidence of overnight frost and fog.


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/


 

Retron
29 December 2021 07:02:30

Not a bad forecast for May! From the local forecast on the BBC, for this afternoon...



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Interesting that the MetO written forecast "only" has 15C as a max, will the ECM have pipped it?


 


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30 December 2021 08:00:50

BBC weatherman this morning reporting 0.2 hours of sunshine in last 16 days in London


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David M Porter
30 December 2021 19:31:27

Originally Posted by: DEW 


BBC weatherman this morning reporting 0.2 hours of sunshine in last 16 days in London



We must have had a similar amount of sun here in the same amount of time, David. Feels like we have seen hardly any sun all month, even if there are only 7-8 hours of daylight per day in December. I've seen much sunnier Decembers than this in the past.


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Gavin D
30 December 2021 21:49:22

Tuesday 4 Jan - Thursday 13 Jan


Temperatures are expected to fall to around or slightly below average early next week with overnight frost becoming more widespread for a time. Some wintry showers with snow to fairly low levels is possible in the north with cloud and rain clearing to drier and brighter conditions further south. This regime is likely to be short-lived though as a return to a milder, unsettled pattern with Atlantic weather systems moving across the country is expected through the second half of next week onwards. This will likely bring spells of rain, occasional snow to hills in the north, accompanied by strong winds at times. Overall, temperatures are expected to be above average, although some temporary colder periods are likely.


Friday 14 Jan - Friday 28 Jan


Through the second half of January, a continuation of the rather changeable regime is expected with spells of wet and windy weather interspersed by drier, brighter periods. Temperatures are overall expected to remain slightly above average as a result of mild spells and shorter-lived colder periods. These shorter-lived colder periods may still allow for some snow but this will typically fall over hills in the north. Later in the month, there is a tentative sign of more settled spells developing, particularly across the south which would increase the chance of overnight frost and fog here.


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/


 

Rob K
01 January 2022 11:24:02

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 





BBC Monthly Outlook updated: - At least they're honest re the models not performing so well:


https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/outlook


Monthly Outlook


 Last updated 








Summary


An unsettled first week, then improving for all




After a settled dry weekend, Christmas week looks mostly dry and calm for all regions for the first half of the week then wetter and windier for most parts over the latter half. In the last week of the year, the unsettled conditions should soon clear with a trend to a drier, slightly cool pattern. The first week of 2022 should see the settled pattern continue over most of the country, before we return to a more seasonal pattern as we head towards mid-January.





 


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More unsettled from mid-week




High pressure will be stationed over the British Isles at first this weekend. By Sunday and through the working week, the high declines as low-pressure systems move east towards the western British Isles bringing some weather fronts to the country from mid-week. The entire country should remain under dry and settled conditions over this weekend and into the working week. Fog is likely in places. Temperatures around 1-2C above average are expected this weekend before falling 1-2C below average into the working week. From mid-week, it should get cloudier for most with a series of weather fronts bringing periods of rain across the country. Christmas weekend is looking on the cool side and a little breezy with periods of rain over the south of the country and wintry showers possible for Scotland. Temperatures of 2C below average are expected over the weekend.






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Becoming more settled again. On the cool side




Over the last week of the year, any unsettled weather should soon clear as high pressure builds over Northwest Europe towards Iceland. Low pressure is favoured across Southern Europe and west of Iberia. After an unsettled start to the week, perhaps with further wintry showers over Scotland, a trend towards a drier pattern is anticipated, especially across the western and northern half of the country. Some sunny days are likely. We will have the risk of fog forming in the early mornings and at this time of the year, any fog could be slow to lift. Most areas should be slightly cooler than average although Northern Ireland could be nearer average. Over the New Year's weekend, conditions are looking to remain settled for most parts.
The models are not performing well this far ahead, so things are far from certain. If the high is favoured further south over Iberia. The Atlantic storm tracks affect northwest Europe bringing more unsettled conditions to the country. We estimate this as a 30% risk at this time.






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The settled pattern becomes more seasonal




For week one of 2022, high pressure is favoured over northwest Europe and across the Northern Atlantic. Lower pressure lies over Southern Europe. The trend towards a dry pattern continues, but eastern coastal areas may see a more normal pattern. Near-average temperatures in Ireland and Scotland, just below average elsewhere. Into the second week of January, ¬confidence is getting very low. At the moment we favour a change with high pressure further south over the Azores and lower pressure nearer Iceland. This would bring a seasonal pattern with no extremes. Scotland and perhaps Northern Ireland would see the most of any rain or wind. The pattern is uncertain during these last two weeks with the models not performing well. Should the high become stationed further away from the country, say over Scandinavia, cooler conditions are likely.






Further ahead




Is there any sign of a cold winter period ahead towards the end of January? We should probably look at what the Polar Vortex is suggesting.









”On the cool side” for the current week and the Met Office was also going for “turning colder into January”. Can we just consign long range forecasts to the bin once and for all?


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Gooner
01 January 2022 12:13:32

Thought that for a while Rob , pretty poor of late not just for specifics but also the general set up


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Retron
02 January 2022 10:54:27

Something very unusual for January - a yellow thunderstorm warning.


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/warnings-and-advice/uk-warnings#?id=fe88e021-88ae-4e65-aa1d-868496daa9af&date=2022-01-02


It's especially unusual as it doesn't seem to be the usual shallow sort of storms that you might get in winter, it looks more summer-like in terms of setup.


Leysdown, north Kent
Windy Willow
02 January 2022 12:21:39

Originally Posted by: Retron 


Something very unusual for January - a yellow thunderstorm warning.


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/warnings-and-advice/uk-warnings#?id=fe88e021-88ae-4e65-aa1d-868496daa9af&date=2022-01-02


It's especially unusual as it doesn't seem to be the usual shallow sort of storms that you might get in winter, it looks more summer-like in terms of setup.



I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds that odd.


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dagspot
02 January 2022 12:37:41

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Thought that for a while Rob , pretty poor of late not just for specifics but also the general set up



Agree its essentially a copy and paste from previous years


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02 January 2022 13:17:29

Originally Posted by: Retron 


Something very unusual for January - a yellow thunderstorm warning.


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/warnings-and-advice/uk-warnings#?id=fe88e021-88ae-4e65-aa1d-868496daa9af&date=2022-01-02


It's especially unusual as it doesn't seem to be the usual shallow sort of storms that you might get in winter, it looks more summer-like in terms of setup.



Just passed through here. Some short blustery bursts of moderate rain though not as much as the radar might suggest perhaps.


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polarwind
02 January 2022 13:44:46

Originally Posted by: dagspot 


 


Agree its essentially a copy and paste from previous years


Intuitively, I think its not copy and paste from previous years.


This link -


nullschool.net *


                             .......... shows that presently and imo, something similar over the last few weeks, a general circulation that routinely, isn't sending storms into the Arctic Basin from the Atlantic to the north of Norway and which for me is the hallmark of winters of the last three decades or so. 


Its different. More like the 50's off the top of my head.  


 


*Note:   If anyone's not seen this before - you can have a lot of fun with this view of earth with winds at different levels etc. Press link at bottom left corner.  Also click and hold to rotate to any view of 'Earth'    


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Retron
02 January 2022 15:15:58

Originally Posted by: NMA 


Just passed through here. Some short blustery bursts of moderate rain though not as much as the radar might suggest perhaps.



Looking at the radar, it's now a mass of summer-style cb cells - only a few strikes, but there's some hail in there and I don't doubt some gusty winds too.


The bulk of the rain seems to be of the 10-28mm/hour rates, but the hail (at least that's what I guess it is) is showing as in excess of 76mm/hour.


Leysdown, north Kent
dagspot
02 January 2022 15:55:00
theres more strikes in West of Scotland and Ireland than anywhere near that Yellow Warning zone…

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doctormog
03 January 2022 09:32:23
Oops. The BBC News forecast just now showed a high of 9°C here this afternoon and at time of writing the automated data shows that as the forecast high too. A glitch of some sort I would guess but a bit poor for it to make it to the TV forecast.
dagspot
03 January 2022 09:50:06

9 in Glasgow (and it actually is 9dc)  but suspect as front passes won’t last long before dropping away over course of today. As for snow on back edge as was shown on some graphics :o 


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doctormog
03 January 2022 09:53:38

Originally Posted by: dagspot 


9 in Glasgow (and it actually is 9dc)  but suspect as front passes won’t last long before dropping away over course of today. As for snow on back edge as was shown on some graphics :o 



The time stamp is the issue rather than the temperature itself. Having the forecast 30 minutes earlier showing an afternoon value of (a much more realistic) 2°C didn’t help. 


(For reference it is currently 3°C here)


dagspot
03 January 2022 13:29:35
Schafernaker : very average, nothing out of the ordinary
Aberdeen 9dc
Fawksie: Turning a lot colder with some significant accumulations of snow
Aberdeen 2dc

you ‘do the math’ ?
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tallyho_83
04 January 2022 22:30:07

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https://twitter.com/MattHugo81/status/1478267152578891776


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Excluding the short-term, of course, overall I'm just lost for words for the outlook in terms of just how boring, non-descript the outlook is. For what should be one of the most active/interesting and synoptically varied times of year, it is simply just mehh...




 





 

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dagspot
05 January 2022 22:01:22
Mild and cloudy/wet for Scotland next week by all accounts. No wonder Hugi Bear is bored.
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