Given that most of the contributors to this forum know more than the Government, their advisers,  and the world's best medical experts, what do you expect?

Originally Posted by: Essan 

Yes I agree. What am I saying about the stats is that they are not accurate enough to be making the fine judgements on that some people are on here in either direction.  

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

As the saying goes, before you criticise someone walk a mile in their shoes (because then you are a mile away and have their shoes).

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

Originally Posted by: xioni2 

Reading a bit more about the feedback the Chinese have given to the Italians: in Wuhan the authorities managed to break the intra-family chains of transmissions. They basically separated (forcibly or not) family members apart. This is easier said than done in countries like Italy or Spain, but it may have to come to this.

Originally Posted by: xioni2 

Originally Posted by: xioni2 

Originally Posted by: xioni2 

 Not necessarily - people appear to be sticking to the script by and large. I have not seen my aged mother for nearly four weeks now, I have twin sisters who were 70 last week and all I could do was to send them cards (my one sister has moved in with my mother to help her through the isolation period), our elder daughter was 40 on 18th March, but we could not go and see her as planned, our other daughter also had her birthday last week and we spoke on the phone  - she was supposed to be home for her birthday, plus we have not seen our grandchildren for about four weeks now.

There is next to no traffic on the road and we have not spoken to our neighbours for over two weeks. Everyone is hunkering down.

It might be harder for people who live in cities, but round here the isolation is complete.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

There have been a few snippity remarks today around people criticising too much.

I applaud the governement for what they have achieved with nightingale. It’s a well done from me.

However, we can’t let this achievement shy away from the fact that NHS staff still don’t have adequate PPE and our testing remains woeful.

Equally, we still see different figures published on the tracker and official PHE figure. These are the basics that we need to get right.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

There have been a few snippity remarks today around people criticising too much.

Equally, we still see different figures published on the tracker and official PHE figure. These are the basics that we need to get right.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

Indeed, but the comment was for Italy & Spain, where different generations of the same family often live very close to each other, occasionally even in the same block of flats. I still think this is a factor behind our high number in the West Midlands.

Originally Posted by: xioni2 

There have been a few snippity remarks today around people criticising too much.

I applaud the governement for what they have achieved with nightingale. It’s a well done from me.

However, we can’t let this achievement shy away from the fact that NHS staff still don’t have adequate PPE and our testing remains woeful.

Equally, we still see different figures published on the tracker and official PHE figure. These are the basics that we need to get right.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

He did NOT say 12 weeks.That was for the over 70`s he said in his address last Monday 3 weeks and then reviewed.

Originally Posted by: springsunshine 

Yes I agree. What am I saying about the stats is that they are not accurate enough to be making the fine judgements on that some people are on here in either direction.  

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

As the saying goes, before you criticise someone walk a mile in their shoes (because then you are a mile away and have their shoes).

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

The new Nightingale Hospital opens on Wednesday, fully equipped including intensive care beds with ventilators.

That's a fantastic effort. The building may have been there but to equip it so quickly and sort out the staffing is astonishingly good.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

The remarks were not remotely 'snippety'; they were absolutely merited, as your post demonstrates yet again.  Why this fixation on looking for every possible difference in the data and then complaining because you think they're not 'right'?  

The basics that need to be right are the data available to the people having to make the decisions.  

No doubt if they delayed reporting for a day or two to get the data agreed and ensure identical figures were published everywhere then you'd be complaining about the delay instead.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

Lord Sumption has just helpfully suggested on R4 that the distancing measures and lockdown are the result of mass hysteria, anyone's opinion is better than a scientist's and that we should all go back to our normal daily lives.

Originally Posted by: Ulric 

And you’re right!  My comment wasn’t directed at you or anyone in particular.  It was a general observation because it’s so easy to get sucked down into a black hole and right now more than ever, we need to stay positive!

Originally Posted by: Caz 

I was listening to this and picked up a somewhat different message

While I agree that he gave the impression that he would have far fewer controls in place, his main point seemed to be that regulations were being introduced at the whim of a minister without any proper legislative process; and that the police in over-interpreting them were moving away from their traditional position in this country of 'civilians in uniform' to 'government agents'. This is s not dissimilar point to that made by David Davis and others in forcing limitations on the duration of emergency legislation.

Originally Posted by: DEW 

You  know my visceral  hatred of the Thatch and suspicion of Tories in general, however, the proof of the pudding is that Boris  IS actually doing the right things at the moment, for whatever reason (genuine empathy or being s*it scared this could all blow up and make him the worst -Prime - Minister ...... ever !).  He is also , largely, saying the right things.  I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt.  If we are being totally honest, as much as I sympathise with Corbyn's take on things generally,  I think in these circumstances he would have been  a bloody disaster !

Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 

I think the Nightingale is very impressive and quite an achievement 

Originally Posted by: Gooner