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Gooner
30 March 2020 12:58:33

I personally think Neil Ferguson should keep to consulting the government and have less of a media presence for a couple of weeks🤷‍♂️

There seems to be daily reports stemming from him (misinterpreted by media?) alternating between the optimistic and apocalyptic.

Originally Posted by: John p 


Exactly , seems a headline grabber to me 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Maunder Minimum
30 March 2020 12:59:01


 


Sorry, it is you that is 100% wrong.  You haven't bothered to consider the practical aspects of this.


Fact: the virus was in Wuhan by early December and some sources suggest November 


Fact: people were arriving in and leaving Wuhan throughout December, travelling widely to many other countries


Fact: people are contagious whilst still showing no symptoms and some never have clear symptoms


Fact: given the above three facts it is impossible to prevent the virus reaching the UK


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Give it a break Gandalf, you cannot possibly win this argument - clearly restricting the movement of people, reduces the spread of the virus.


Otherwise, why would they be enforcing social distancing?


https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2020/03/9a7d275e6a90-japans-coronavirus-bill-likely-to-clear-lower-house-on-march-12.html


https://www.nytimes.com/article/coronavirus-travel-restrictions.html


https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/coronavirus-travel-bans/index.html


 P.S. I have never argued that we could have "prevented the virus reaching the UK", but that travel restrictions would make it possible to contain the spread.


New world order coming.
Gandalf The White
30 March 2020 12:59:49


 


If you're on your own, it's 7 days. Perhaps he's ditched the toothpaste-squeezer?


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Isn't it possible to get toothpaste placed onto one's toothbrush whilst remaining two metres away?  Or maybe he has a supply of pre-loaded toothbrushes?


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Gandalf The White
30 March 2020 13:01:06


 


Give it a break Gandalf, you cannot possibly win this argument - clearly restricting the movement of people, reduces the spread of the virus.


Otherwise, why would they be enforcing social distancing?


https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2020/03/9a7d275e6a90-japans-coronavirus-bill-likely-to-clear-lower-house-on-march-12.html


https://www.nytimes.com/article/coronavirus-travel-restrictions.html


https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/coronavirus-travel-bans/index.html


 P.S. I have never argued that we could have "prevented the virus reaching the UK", but that travel restrictions would make it possible to contain the spread.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


LOL. Give it a break??? Really?  Follow your own advice.


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Saint Snow
30 March 2020 13:01:41

Lord Sumption has just helpfully suggested on R4 that the distancing measures and lockdown are the result of mass hysteria, anyone's opinion is better than a scientist's and that we should all go back to our normal daily lives.

Originally Posted by: Ulric 


 


Him and Peter Hitchens (who had one of his rabid rants, labelling the lockdown measures as the imposition of a 'Stasi state') could have a cosy chat (by video link...) about it, and about their antithesis towards human rights legislation. 



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Maunder Minimum
30 March 2020 13:02:13


 


LOL. Give it a break??? Really?  Follow your own advice.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Trust me Gandalf, on this topic I am right and you are wrong.


It is so obvious, that anybody can see the truth of it, with a few exceptions.


New world order coming.
The Beast from the East
30 March 2020 13:04:17

Overall the most positive day of the outbreak, with the virus under control in many countries and infection rates falling across Europe


Charles and Boris both recovered, so the plebs can see this is not that serious for 95% and only a small number die


The pressure will now ramp up to return to normal life. Trump wants to lift the lockdown on April 30. I think that is a good compromise. We should do the same 


One more month of this is just about tolerable, but no more


I think Boris can celebrate his wedding in June with a large crowd and the whole nation will salute him.  


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Gandalf The White
30 March 2020 13:04:52


 


Trust me Gandalf, on this topic I am right and you are wrong.


It is so obvious, that anybody can see the truth of it, with a few exceptions.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Well, when you manage to confuse social distancing and closing borders I think you need a pause for reflection.


You were calling for restrictions when, as I keep trying to explain to you, it was already too late.  That was my main point and has been consistently.


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fairweather
30 March 2020 13:09:09


The government have said this morning on Sky News that we are right at the top of league table in regards to testing.


She also stated we are planning to get to 25,000 tests a day in the next three weeks.

Why are they lying.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


They thought they'd concentrate on what they are best at?


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Maunder Minimum
30 March 2020 13:11:04


 


Well, when you manage to confuse social distancing and closing borders I think you need a pause for reflection.


You were calling for restrictions when, as I keep trying to explain to you, it was already too late.  That was my main point and has been consistently.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Closing borders is a form of social distancing - nothing confusing about that.


The restrictions would not have kept it out completely, but would have rendered containment possible.


Your favourite destination appears to appreciate that:


Singapore
All travelers entering the country will have to undergo a mandatory 14-day home quarantine starting March 21.
Visitors will also be required to provide proof of the place where they will serve the quarantine.
Rules banning entry for travelers who have been in France, Germany, Italy, Iran, the Republic of Korea and Spain will continue to be enforced.
The Ministry of Health announced on March 18 that all Singaporeans "are advised to defer all travel abroad with immediate effect."
New world order coming.
Gavin D
30 March 2020 13:13:35
Data delayed again.

The new automated system worked well for 3 days now normal service has resumed.
Heavy Weather 2013
30 March 2020 13:13:42
Figures today are delayed and will be published later this afternoon.
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fairweather
30 March 2020 13:13:55


Here you go - couple of articles in the Telegraph:


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/03/29/michael-gove-accuses-china-hiding-true-scale-coronavirus-crisis/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget


"The initial reporting from China was "not clear" about the scale or the infectiousness of Covid-19, Mr Gove said.


China’s failure to give “clear” information about the spread of the coronavirus has been blamed for worsening the spread of the disease amid a growing diplomatic row with Beijing.


Michael Gove said China had not shared accurate data about the “scale, nature and infectiousness” of the disease, as Downing Street sources suggesting the Communist superpower would face a “reckoning” when the pandemic is over.


..."


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/29/herd-immunity-way-impasse/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget


"Herd immunity is the only way out of this impasse


Just over two weeks ago Patrick Vallance told the Today programme that the government’s strategy for fighting the Covid-19 outbreak was built around herd immunity. This is a tried and tested method for managing outbreaks of infectious disease: once a sufficiently large proportion of the population has some form of immunity, acquired either through vaccination or surviving a disease, it becomes impossible for it to spread. Herd immunity worked for smallpox and it worked for measles - or at least it did until the anti-vaxxers decided that they would exercise their freedom of choice by refusing to immunise themselves or their children.


The problem with herd immunity acquired through infection is that it comes at a price: namely that, in this first epidemic (and be in no doubt that this is not the only outbreak of Covid-19 that we will endure), the disease runs riot and the mortality is substantial. A large number of at-risk people will die while the rest of..."


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Michael Gove said China had not shared accurate data about the “scale, nature and infectiousness” of the disease, as Downing Street sources suggesting the Communist superpower would face a “reckoning” when the pandemic is over.


Oh the irony - from the brain dead idiot who doesn't trust experts!


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Rob K
30 March 2020 13:14:24


Dominic cummings has it.


I suspect he would be in the higher risk group given he has comorbidities of some type.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


As one wit on Twitter said: so much for turd immunity. 


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Rob K
30 March 2020 13:16:51

Lord Sumption has just helpfully suggested on R4 that the distancing measures and lockdown are the result of mass hysteria, anyone's opinion is better than a scientist's and that we should all go back to our normal daily lives.

Originally Posted by: Ulric 


“The name’s Sumption... Ass Sumption” undecided 


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The Beast from the East
30 March 2020 13:18:06


 


As one wit on Twitter said: so much for turd immunity. 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


The BBC documentary about him was superb. He is a genius and the master of the slogan - "Take back Control". "Get Brexit Done", "Whatever it takes" "Stay home, save lives, protect the NHS"


Plebs can only understand the most simple messaging, and he knows this


 


"We have some alternative facts for you"
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Sevendust
30 March 2020 13:18:50

Saint Martin (Dutch dependancy in the Caribbean) reports first Covid death

Caz
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30 March 2020 13:19:59


Saint Martin (Dutch dependancy in the Caribbean) reports first Covid death


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 

Isn’t that the island where they film ‘Death in Paradise’?


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The Beast from the East
30 March 2020 13:21:10


 


Michael Gove said China had not shared accurate data about the “scale, nature and infectiousness” of the disease, as Downing Street sources suggesting the Communist superpower would face a “reckoning” when the pandemic is over.


 


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


Are we going to cancel the "Who are we" contract and stop them building power stations and HS2?


Of course not. 


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
fairweather
30 March 2020 13:21:22


Obviously 'essential' means different things to different people. I have just returned from Weymouth after fitting new tyre and buying essentials at ASDA. First time out since last Monday.


On the way back passed someone towing a speedboat to who knows where.


Nick


Originally Posted by: NMA 


The purpose of the journey is irrelevant. I do not know why they are emphasizing essential. If you take a non-essential ride in your car towing a speed boat and don't come into contact with anyone how does that spread the virus? It's not a ban on enjoyment it's a ban on social contact!! And hopefully fitting a tyre didn't involve any close contact during payment etc?


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Sevendust
30 March 2020 13:24:41


Isn’t that the island where they film ‘Death in Paradise’?


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Filmed in Guadeloupe. The Island is Saint Marie and is fictional


 

doctormog
30 March 2020 13:26:41


Isn’t that the island where they film ‘Death in Paradise’?


Originally Posted by: Caz 


I usually associate it with the proximity of its airport runway with the beach!


 https://www.flickr.com/photos/zwgbenny/8638426207/


Caz
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30 March 2020 13:28:47


 


Filmed in Guadeloupe. The Island is Saint Marie and is fictional


 


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 

  Yes!  You’re right.  Just looked it up. Don’t know why I thought it was filmed on St Martin!


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warrenb
30 March 2020 13:30:01


 


The purpose of the journey is irrelevant. I do not know why they are emphasizing essential. If you take a non-essential ride in your car towing a speed boat and don't come into contact with anyone how does that spread the virus? It's not a ban on enjoyment it's a ban on social contact!! And hopefully fitting a tyre didn't involve any close contact during payment etc?


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


And said speedboat jackknifes and hits another car, and 2 ambulances are called and a police car and a fire engine. Occupant of car hit is asymptomatic with CO-19, spreads it to the fireman, policeman and one of the Ambulance crew. Ambulance goes onto to 8 other calls that day, and spreads it to them and so on. It is isn't just about isolating, it is about stopping journeys that are not needed to not overstretch the blue light services.


fairweather
30 March 2020 13:31:10


 


Give it a break Gandalf, you cannot possibly win this argument - clearly restricting the movement of people, reduces the spread of the virus.


Otherwise, why would they be enforcing social distancing?


https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2020/03/9a7d275e6a90-japans-coronavirus-bill-likely-to-clear-lower-house-on-march-12.html


https://www.nytimes.com/article/coronavirus-travel-restrictions.html


https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/coronavirus-travel-bans/index.html


 P.S. I have never argued that we could have "prevented the virus reaching the UK", but that travel restrictions would make it possible to contain the spread.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Might as well end this one as it is wasting bandwith. If you were right it's too late now and was never going to happen when it would have worked. We've got it now so any new entrants will have no effect. End of.


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