I think that's a tad harsh on those who did have little lying snow. My impression is that most of the 25 million people living south of the M4 were probably in that situation. 

No, it’s not in the slightest as that is not what my point was, so I guess you misunderstood. I could name the poster in question but most people know and I don’t want to draw further attention to them. It is one member who thinks the world revolves around their location and posts such parochial nonsense ad naseum. Everyone else seems to recognise the nuances and vagaries of snowfall in this country - the excitement, the anticipation, the frustration, the disappointment, it all goes with the territory as a weather fan. The dismissal of weather outside your backyard is the tedious nonsense that detracts from this thread. I’ve been watching with interest what has happened in the south and guess what, I don’t live there. I still think it’s important.

If you think my post was criticising people for being frustrated about not getting snow, it really isn’t and I frequently share that frustration.

Anyway back to what the models show and that is the potential for snow almost anywhere and lots of it somewhere (probably in the middle swathe of the country later tomorrow). The outlook is anything but dull even if it turns out to be frustrating.

 

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I think that's a tad harsh on those who did have little lying snow. My impression is that most of the 25 million people living south of the M4 were probably in that situation. 

If any are reading this I can tell them they haven't missed out on much. We had a few cms this morning which melted quickly and now have another couple of cms from this evening's feature.  It has been very wet, slushy and best enjoyed from warm side of the window.

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Whereas we in the sunny metropolis called Berkshire had 4 inches of snow, most of which has stayed all day on the Downs at 135m. Go down a few miles to Reading at 60m ASL with heat island taken into account and there was nigh on bugger all snow. Delighted to live where I do, even if I had to go out an de-snow the veg patch cage roof at 6:45 this morning!!

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No, it’s not in the slightest as that is not what my point was, so I guess you misunderstood. I could name the poster in question but most people know and I don’t want to draw further attention to them. It is one member who thinks the world revolves around their location and posts such parochial nonsense ad naseum. Everyone else seems to recognise the nuances and vagaries of snowfall in this country - the excitement, the anticipation, the frustration, the disappointment, it all goes with the territory as a weather fan. The dismissal of weather outside your backyard is the tedious nonsense that detracts from this thread. I’ve been watching with interest what has happened in the south and guess what, I don’t live there. I still think it’s important.

If you think my post was criticising people for being frustrated about not getting snow, it really isn’t and I frequently share that frustration.

Anyway back to what the models show and that is the potential for snow almost anywhere and lots of it somewhere (probably in the middle swathe of the country later tomorrow). The outlook is anything but dull even if it turns out to be frustrating.

 

Again, and I have said this many times, I look at weather events in terms of impact on people. Nothing wrong with that. Indeed I was right about the low impact of the December spell generally, despite my locale having pretty much the highest totals in the UK! 

I have no idea why you don’t grasp that all weather is local, and that looking at events through an impact prism is perfectly valid. 

Today’s event has been a damp squib for tens of millions of the population. That is simple reality.

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Again, and I have said this many times….

Yes you have and it was boring the first time.

This thread is for discussing model output not an analysis of the population distribution. Of course all weather is local but you appear to dismiss or downplay the impact of any weather not local to you. As I said that is a tedious and parochial view and the fact you cannot even see that further emphasises my point. Few others feel the need to discuss how many millions will be impacted by a certain event yet that is all you do.

You never post anny analysis, no charts, just regular comments about the population distribution. Perhaps the Moaning thread would be more appropriate?

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Whereas we in the sunny metropolis called Berkshire had 4 inches of snow, most of which has stayed all day on the Downs at 135m. Go down a few miles to Reading at 60m ASL with heat island taken into account and there was nigh on bugger all snow. Delighted to live where I do, even if I had to go out an de-snow the veg patch cage roof at 6:45 this morning!!

Same here, Bracknell is a bit of snow magent/alley. Just east of here,nothing...

It was a very marginal and localised event...no need for the toys to be thrown out of the happy meal in here..😂

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Yes you have and it was boring the first time.

This thread is for discussing model output not an analysis of the population distribution. Of course all weather is local but you appear to dismiss or downplay the impact of any weather not local to you. As I said that is a tedious and parochial view and the fact you cannot even see that further emphasises my point. Few others feel the need to discuss how many millions will be impacted by a certain event yet that is all you do.

You never post anny analysis, no charts, just regular comments about the population distribution. Perhaps the Moaning thread would be more appropriate?

again you haven’t read what I wrote. The last spell I had among the most snow in the country, yet still pointed out that the spell was low/no impact for the majority of the population.

If you don’t like my posts, don’t read them. You are not the moderator and don’t get to decide what other members can discuss. Yet you pick on my posts constantly. 

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The 18z ICON shows why I absolutely detest SE’ly winds. 😂

Some good totals elsewhere. 

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The 18z ICON shows why I absolutely detest SE’ly winds. 😂

Some good totals elsewhere. 

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Never easy for our part of the world is it. Sometimes I wonder what the setup was that used to bring snow drifts up to the bedroom windows in the 1960’s.As for Glossop I’m just hoping we can beat 5cm as that’s the most we’ve had in one fall since 2018! Incredibly poor.
I think it will come in bursts here due to the shadow effect. Snake Pass will be shut for some time I bet. 

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Never easy for our part of the world is it. Sometimes I wonder what the setup was that used to bring snow drifts up to the bedroom windows in the 1960’s.As for Glossop I’m just hoping we can beat 5cm as that’s the most we’ve had in one fall since 2018! Incredibly poor.
I think it will come in bursts here due to the shadow effect. Snake Pass will be shut for some time I bet. 

I reckon you will do well tomorrow. 👍 I’m hoping the high res models are overplaying the shadow effect. 

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Output fluctuating between mild and cool this morning.  Snow chances look limited to Scotland mainly.  Very unsettled, i think most would agree roll on Spring now 

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For the south it’s over - not that it started for my balmy coastal location.
For the N Midlands and North a decent event developing today with deep snow overnight I would think anywhere with elevation down the spine of the area.
When you look back at the modelling I’d say it’s a decent performance so long as you take a blend of the solutions on offer and not cherry pick the most convenient. 

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For the south it’s over - not that it started for my balmy coastal location.
For the N Midlands and North a decent event developing today with deep snow overnight I would think anywhere with elevation down the spine of the area.
When you look back at the modelling I’d say it’s a decent performance so long as you take a blend of the solutions on offer and not cherry pick the most convenient. 

Yes I think overall the models have handled a volatile situation pretty well. Still time for a few local surprises I think and definitely a more mobile picture moving forward.

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The excitement begins to die away ...

WX temp charts week 1 with rather cold weather all the way across N Europe from Scotland to the Baltic and into Russia, the rest of Europe with average temps. In week2 the cold area shrinks N-wards, still affecting most of Scandinavia, while other areas become milder if not exactly warm away from the Med. Pptn in week 1 from France up to the Baltic and all points W of that; in week 2retreating W-wards but including Britain in both weeks.

GFS Op - the current LP moves E across England 980mb Cornwall tomorrow, then a sequence of LPs running past Scotland with winds generally W-ly but those marked * push a trough well S to cover Britain, with the wind doing its usual backing S before and veering N after. LPs on Mon 13th 970mb Hebrides, 1000mb Fri 17th Ireland, 970mb Tue 17th Scottish border*, 975mb Thu 23rd Faeroes*, 985mb Sat 25th Faeroes.

ECM - similar to GFS but always with a tendency to bring HP closer to S England

GEFS - In the S some wild swings in temp with ens member agreeing, some 7C down on norm 11th and 15th, but 5C up on 13th, after that mean settles to norm or a little below with usual divergence; rain now and for w/b Mon 13th, less intense but still damp after. Similar for Scotland but with a colder base so higher chance of snow from time to time esp week 1.

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The excitement begins to die away ...

WX temp charts week 1 with rather cold weather all the way across N Europe from Scotland to the Baltic and into Russia, the rest of Europe with average temps. In week2 the cold area shrinks N-wards, still affecting most of Scandinavia, while other areas become milder if not exactly warm away from the Med. Pptn in week 1 from France up to the Baltic and all points W of that; in week 2retreating W-wards but including Britain in both weeks.

GFS Op - the current LP moves E across England 980mb Cornwall tomorrow, then a sequence of LPs running past Scotland with winds generally W-ly but those marked * push a trough well S to cover Britain, with the wind doing its usual backing S before and veering N after. LPs on Mon 13th 970mb Hebrides, 1000mb Fri 17th Ireland, 970mb Tue 17th Scottish border*, 975mb Thu 23rd Faeroes*, 985mb Sat 25th Faeroes.

ECM - similar to GFS but always with a tendency to bring HP closer to S England

GEFS - In the S some wild swings in temp with ens member agreeing, some 7C down on norm 11th and 15th, but 5C up on 13th, after that mean settles to norm or a little below with usual divergence; rain now and for w/b Mon 13th, less intense but still damp after. Similar for Scotland but with a colder base so higher chance of snow from time to time esp week 1.

Some hope there, that it might eventually get a bit milder in the end, though possibly more unsettled as well.

I will be more than happy if that ends up verifying.

For one thing, this current cold spell is something which I would much rather have been getting during the winter, rather than right now at a time when I would much rather be getting on with spring. We had an exceptionally dull February here in Edinburgh and some decent warm spring sunshine would be greatly welcomed here.

At the same time though, we have had barely any rain just recently and could really do with getting some much needed rainfall just now in order to reduce the risks of possible water shortages later on in the spring and into the coming summer. As a result, I would actually be more than happy for it to become more unsettled for a while as well, rather than having all of the more unsettled weather come at once when we get to the summer.
 

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Monday looking like a distinctively Autumnal type of day for the southern portion of the UK while Scotland hangs onto Winter, but there are signs of things starting to settle down somewhat later on in the week - even if it isn't exactly a fast track to Spring proper with temperatures struggling to even reach normal values. All not really great news in terms of heating costs.

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No, it’s not in the slightest as that is not what my point was, so I guess you misunderstood. I could name the poster in question but most people know and I don’t want to draw further attention to them. It is one member who thinks the world revolves around their location and posts such parochial nonsense ad naseum. Everyone else seems to recognise the nuances and vagaries of snowfall in this country - the excitement, the anticipation, the frustration, the disappointment, it all goes with the territory as a weather fan. The dismissal of weather outside your backyard is the tedious nonsense that detracts from this thread. I’ve been watching with interest what has happened in the south and guess what, I don’t live there. I still think it’s important.

If you think my post was criticising people for being frustrated about not getting snow, it really isn’t and I frequently share that frustration.

Anyway back to what the models show and that is the potential for snow almost anywhere and lots of it somewhere (probably in the middle swathe of the country later tomorrow). The outlook is anything but dull even if it turns out to be frustrating.

 

totally agree, Michael, as a south coaster I understand all those emotions by the bucketload! And I am very much interested in snowy weather away from my locality and am enjoying snowy pictures from my niece in Sheffield…I love snow and as a south coaster I recognise I’ll often have to travel outside my immediate locality when work allows to experience the beauty of snow…All I’d say to posters in large parts of the south east, midlands, West Country,midlands, north, Scotland and N Ireland…on those v v rare occasions we get snow on the south coast, you’ll understand why our excitement sometimes seems a bit ott…As for disappointment, my motto is….never to expect snow here so that reduces the level of disappointment 😜😜..Anyway roll on some spring warmth and the end of cold rain! As for DP’s posts….😂😂😂😂

Just tidied up the thread a little. No personal jibes.

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Just tidied up the thread a little. No personal jibes.

Pity. They were a nice distraction from another disappointing 'snow event'

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Just tidied up the thread a little. No personal jibes.

Thank you, Brian.

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