tallyho_83
26 November 2017 18:10:14

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

Met office update

UK Outlook for Friday 1 Dec 2017 to Sunday 10 Dec 2017:

Friday is likely to begin cold with wintry showers, especially in the east, and some accumulations of snow are possible on hills. However, rain and less cold weather will probably arrive in the west later, or early on Saturday, before spreading southeast to most other parts through the day. It will be breezy with gales possible at first in the east. An east to west split is favoured on Sunday into early next week. Cold, frosty weather is expected in the east, along with sunshine and showers, some wintry, whilst slightly less cold conditions and some rain is expected in the west. Thereafter, a cold northerly airstream may become established across all areas, with widespread night frost and sunshine and showers by day, the showers wintry even to low levels.

UK Outlook for Monday 11 Dec 2017 to Monday 25 Dec 2017:

The first few days of this period are most likely to be dominated by a northerly airstream bringing a mix of sunshine and showers to the British Isles. The showers are likely to be wintry even to low levels, with some accumulations on hills, especially in the east and northeast. Temperatures are set to be rather cold or cold everywhere, with widespread overnight frosts. However, from around the middle of December there is an increasing chance of periods of mobility developing, with an associated increase in rainfall (especially across some western areas). This would encourage temperatures to recover closer to average.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast/gcpvj0v07#?date=2017-11-14


 


What's the difference between rather cold or cold everywhere'!?


At least we have this cold until mid December now.


Is this classified as a front loaded winter? - Many say La Nina's produce front loaded winters with milder second halfs - last year we were meant to have one but it never really materialised.


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Gooner
26 November 2017 22:00:42

Good forecast from P Avery at 21:55 .....confident of cold continuing after a mild(er) blip next weekend 


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tallyho_83
26 November 2017 22:45:49

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Good forecast from P Avery at 21:55 .....confident of cold continuing after a mild(er) blip next weekend 



Missed it - do you have link? Can't find it on BBC!?


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nsrobins
27 November 2017 06:19:03
Another excellently produced update from Liam Dutton on prospects for the next few weeks:



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nsrobins
27 November 2017 07:09:34

Where is delete? 🤢


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Gavin D
27 November 2017 10:03:31
BBC monthly outlook

Monday 27 November—Sunday 3 December
Gloves, hats and thick coats for start of winter

It will remain cold for much of this week as winds will be blowing all the way from the Arctic. High pressure to the west of us and low pressure to the east will produce strong northerly winds into the early part of December. However this week is starting off on a less cold note, a band of rain clearing the south coast on Monday morning accompanied by milder air from the Atlantic. The cold air will return from the north during Monday and persisting up to the weekend. The strongest winds during the week will be over eastern areas with gales at times along the east coast. There will also be frequent showers over northern and eastern areas, these showers falling as snow on higher ground and even some sleet to lower levels too. There will be an ice risk at nights The driest and brightest weather will be over western areas from southwest Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales and the western half of England. Here long sunny spells by day but widespread frosts at nights. Towards the end of the week, we will begin to see a change to less cold conditions. Atlantic air will feed around the top of the high pressure bringing cloudy skies and patchy rain which will extend southwards across the country during the weekend.

Monday 4 December—Sunday 10 December
The cold air fights back

After a briefly milder interlude at the start of the meteorological winter, it does look as though the cold Arctic air will become re-established across the British Isles. We will gradually lose the grey, damp conditions and replace them with blue skies and blustery showers. The showers will be mainly across northern Scotland but also affecting coastal areas further south. They will fall as snow on higher ground and even some sleet to low levels at times. Inland areas away from the north will enjoy sunny skies by day with frosty conditions at nights. The main feature of the weather will be the biting northerly wind with many layers of clothing required if you are planning to be outside for any length of time. Temperatures throughout the week look set to remain a degree or two below where they should be in early December.

Monday 11 December—Sunday 24 December
Remaining cold but for how long?

At this stage it does look as through the cold weather will persist during the middle part of December with only very small, slow moving changes in the weather pattern. There will continue to be sunny spells and scattered showers, the showers falling as snow on higher ground and possibly to lower levels as the heavier showers pass by. There will be widespread frosts at nights and also the risk of icy stretches. As we move into the second half of December, there is an increasing chance of seeing spells of milder weather with outbreaks of rain and also windy. This will be as a result of further pulses of air pushing in from the Atlantic. However the overall signal from all the various weather computer models is for temperatures to remain on the cold side.
Next week

Its Christmas.... will it be white? Watch this space.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2635167#outlook 
Gavin D
27 November 2017 11:53:24

CPF November update

December to February

Temperature summary

For December, below-average temperatures are more likely than above-average temperatures. The likelihood of impacts from cold weather is greater than normal. For December-January-February as a whole, above-average temperatures are more likely than below-average temperatures. Impacts from cold weather remain possible, but they are less likely than normal.

Overall, the probability that the UK-average temperature for December-January-February will fall into the coldest of our five categories is between 5% and 10% and the probability that it will fall into the warmest of our five categories is around 30% (the 1981-2010 probability for each of these categories is 20%).

Full update: https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/assets/mohippo/pdf/public-sector/forecast-temp-djf-v1.pdf

Precipitation summary

For December, below-average precipitation is slightly more likely than above-average precipitation. For December-January-February as a whole, above-average precipitation is more likely than below-average precipitation. The likelihood of impacts from heavy rainfall and high winds is greater than usual.

The probability that UK-average precipitation for December-January-February will fall into the driest of our five categories is between 10% and 15% and the probability that it will fall into the wettest of our five categories is between 30% and 35% (the 1981-2010 probability for each of these categories is 20%).

Full update: https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/assets/mohippo/pdf/public-sector/forecast-precip-djf-v1.pdf

Gavin D
27 November 2017 12:35:11
Met office update

UK Outlook for Saturday 2 Dec 2017 to Monday 11 Dec 2017:

It is expected to be rather cloudy for most on Saturday, with outbreaks of rain or drizzle at times. Breezy too, especially around the coasts. Feeling milder than earlier in the week, with temperatures nearer to average for the beginning of December. A north to south split is favoured from Sunday and into early next week. Turning colder once again across the north of the UK, with frosty weather returning, along with sunshine and showers, some wintry. However, it may stay slightly less cold in the south with the risk of some rain here at times. Thereafter, a cold northerly airstream may become established across all areas, with widespread night frost and sunshine and showers by day, the showers wintry even to low levels.

UK Outlook for Tuesday 12 Dec 2017 to Tuesday 26 Dec 2017:

The first few days of this period are most likely to be dominated by a northerly airstream bringing a mix of sunshine and showers to the British Isles. The showers are likely to be wintry even to low levels, with some accumulations on hills, especially in the east and northeast. Temperatures are set to be rather cold or cold everywhere, with widespread overnight frosts. However, from around the middle of December there is an increasing chance of periods of mobility developing, with an associated increase in rainfall (especially across some western areas). This would encourage temperatures to recover closer to average.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast/gcpvj0v07#?date=2017-11-14 
Brian Gaze
27 November 2017 13:02:19

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


CPF November update

December to February

Temperature summary

For December, below-average temperatures are more likely than above-average temperatures. The likelihood of impacts from cold weather is greater than normal. For December-January-February as a whole, above-average temperatures are more likely than below-average temperatures. Impacts from cold weather remain possible, but they are less likely than normal.

Overall, the probability that the UK-average temperature for December-January-February will fall into the coldest of our five categories is between 5% and 10% and the probability that it will fall into the warmest of our five categories is around 30% (the 1981-2010 probability for each of these categories is 20%).

Full update: https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/assets/mohippo/pdf/public-sector/forecast-temp-djf-v1.pdf




That's a pretty amazing forecast if you think about it. Dec temperatures are expected to be below average but there's a 30% chance of Dec-Jan-Feb falling into the WARMEST of the top 5 categories. That's a very high level of confidence! It suggests some of the ensemble runs are still going for full "reheat" mode in Jan and Feb. 


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Jonesy
27 November 2017 13:08:26

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


That's a pretty amazing forecast if you think about it. Dec temperatures are expected to be below average but there's a 30% chance of Dec-Jan-Feb falling into the WARMEST of the top 5 categories. That's a very high level of confidence! It suggests some of the ensemble runs are still going for full "reheat" mode in Jan and Feb. 



Would be no surprise if we have a warm to very warm Jan & Feb then you can bet your bottom dollar Mar/Apr when we could do with useful weather will be cold!


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Maunder Minimum
27 November 2017 13:52:09

Originally Posted by: Jonesy 


 


Would be no surprise if we have a warm to very warm Jan & Feb then you can bet your bottom dollar Mar/Apr when we could do with useful weather will be cold!



Look east! The forecast for a warmer than average Jan & Feb is all too believable, but it is only a forecast. Currently, east of the Urals is very cold and we could be in for a pleasant surprise if the Siberian HP makes its presence felt in these quarters. Look at it this way - normally the PV and the Atlantic jetstream keep any Asian cold away from western Europe, but there are occasions when the PV is too weak or displaced to prevent the real beauty of a Siberian HP from bringing us frigid easterlies and convective snow.


We can always maintain hope in the face of adversity - let's hope the Met Office forecast is simply incorrect.


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Gandalf The White
27 November 2017 14:14:39

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


 


Look east! The forecast for a warmer than average Jan & Feb is all too believable, but it is only a forecast. Currently, east of the Urals is very cold and we could be in for a pleasant surprise if the Siberian HP makes its presence felt in these quarters. Look at it this way - normally the PV and the Atlantic jetstream keep any Asian cold away from western Europe, but there are occasions when the PV is too weak or displaced to prevent the real beauty of a Siberian HP from bringing us frigid easterlies and convective snow.


We can always maintain hope in the face of adversity - let's hope the Met Office forecast is simply incorrect.



The forecast is only expressed in probabilities.  The weighting in favour of a colder December is not that significant; the weighting in favour of a milder January and February a little more so.  That leaves a lot of scope for something different - and of course lots of scope for cold weather even in a predominantly mild(er) period.


Curiously, looking at the suggests less chance of a severely cold December and less chance of a very mild winter - but again the differences are pretty minimal.


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Solar Cycles
27 November 2017 14:20:41

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


 


The forecast is only expressed in probabilities.  The weighting in favour of a colder December is not that significant; the weighting in favour of a milder January and February a little more so.  That leaves a lot of scope for something different - and of course lots of scope for cold weather even in a predominantly mild(er) period.


Curiously, looking at the suggests less chance of a severely cold December and less chance of a very mild winter - but again the differences are pretty minimal.


I'm a big fan of these probability forecasts and just wish they’d extend them to their mid range forecasts.

lanky
27 November 2017 17:41:29

Twice today (on the 7:57 R4 this morning and the 13:30 BBC1) the forecaster has said "and it looks as though it will be staying cold for the next 2 weeks"


Thought I had misheard it the first time - not often you hear that from the Met Office on BBC


 


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Gooner
27 November 2017 22:00:41

The Beeb still going for Northerly winds returning next week 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Ulric
27 November 2017 22:06:04
Apparently someone called Brian Gaze is predicting we'll all be getting -12C in Hertfordshire.

http://www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/news/hertfordshire-news/hertfordshire-set-coldest-december-2010s-838197 


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Gavin D
28 November 2017 12:26:59
Met office update

UK Outlook for Sunday 3 Dec 2017 to Tuesday 12 Dec 2017:

A north to south split is favoured from Sunday and into early next week. It will be mainly cloudy in the north and west with some light rain or drizzle in places, however in the south and east it looks to be mainly dry with sunny spells, but perhaps some fog forming into the morning. Through the middle of the week, confidence in the forecast becomes much lower. However there will be a longer spell of rain before a return to colder conditions with sunshine and showers, some turning wintry. Thereafter it will probably stay mainly dry and cold with widespread frosts to start the day, with a mixture of sunshine and showers, which may fall as sleet or snow even at low levels.

UK Outlook for Tuesday 12 Dec 2017 to Tuesday 26 Dec 2017:

The first few days of this period are most likely to be dominated by a northerly airstream bringing a mix of sunshine and showers to the British Isles. The showers are likely to be wintry even to low levels, with some accumulations on hills, especially in the east and northeast. Temperatures are set to be rather cold or cold everywhere, with widespread overnight frosts. However, from around the middle of December there is an increasing chance of periods of mobility developing, with an associated increase in rainfall (especially across some western areas). This would encourage temperatures to recover closer to average.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast/gcpvj0v07#?date=2017-11-14 
warrenb
28 November 2017 14:07:25
Actually I believe you will find that they are updated overnight and then again around mid afternoon.
tallyho_83
28 November 2017 15:50:14

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

Met office update

UK Outlook for Sunday 3 Dec 2017 to Tuesday 12 Dec 2017:

A north to south split is favoured from Sunday and into early next week. It will be mainly cloudy in the north and west with some light rain or drizzle in places, however in the south and east it looks to be mainly dry with sunny spells, but perhaps some fog forming into the morning. Through the middle of the week, confidence in the forecast becomes much lower. However there will be a longer spell of rain before a return to colder conditions with sunshine and showers, some turning wintry. Thereafter it will probably stay mainly dry and cold with widespread frosts to start the day, with a mixture of sunshine and showers, which may fall as sleet or snow even at low levels.

UK Outlook for Tuesday 12 Dec 2017 to Tuesday 26 Dec 2017:

The first few days of this period are most likely to be dominated by a northerly airstream bringing a mix of sunshine and showers to the British Isles. The showers are likely to be wintry even to low levels, with some accumulations on hills, especially in the east and northeast. Temperatures are set to be rather cold or cold everywhere, with widespread overnight frosts. However, from around the middle of December there is an increasing chance of periods of mobility developing, with an associated increase in rainfall (especially across some western areas). This would encourage temperatures to recover closer to average.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast/gcpvj0v07#?date=2017-11-14


Can't complain with this or will the BBC week ahead forecast and Met Office outlook flip!?


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tallyho_83
29 November 2017 01:05:41
Christmas Day WEATHER in London JFF:

https://www.accuweather.com/en/gb/london/ec4a-2/daily-weather-forecast/328328?day=27 

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