tallyho_83
02 December 2017 18:11:29
Nice to see this continuation of colder /seasonal weather - this could perhaps turn out to be the most wintry December since 2010 if things materialise.

It's about time we had some cold and snow in December and finally things could be working out how they normally would do for December and about time too. Let's hope it stays this way up until Christmas and beyond. We haven't just had years of above average Christmas's in terms of Temperatures but years of above average Decembers - Maybe this could be the first below' average December since 2010 or 2012?

JUST A couple more days of over cast British gunk and dizzle then by Wednesday night into Thursday the fun will begin. - This looks like a more potent northerly too and will be colder each time now.

Also a cold update from weather online:

http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/weather/reports/week-ahead.htm 
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PFCSCOTTY
02 December 2017 20:27:44

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Great update 



yes an official kiss of death! 

Arcus
02 December 2017 22:05:09
Only saw it with the sound off as I was listening to the Wedding Present, but the 21.55 long termer on BBC News seemed to suggest pretty much what ECM 12z showed - Northerly plunge followed by the potential for sliding lows coming over the country. Snow (for some) was shown on the final caption.
Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
tallyho_83
02 December 2017 22:07:25
I just saw weather for week ahead - seemed a little vague which i can understand but also showed temps of 13c in south on Thursday!?
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doctormog
02 December 2017 23:08:01

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

I just saw weather for week ahead - seemed a little vague which i can understand but also showed temps of 13c in south on Thursday!?


Yes that ties in nicely with the latest model output (just before the colder air heads south) http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPUK18_114_17.png 


tallyho_83
03 December 2017 01:23:09

The Two winter forecast:

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/forecast/uk-seasonal-weather-forecast 

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Bertwhistle
03 December 2017 08:27:24

Does anybody know if there is a complete list of old BBC weather forecasts to choose from? I've trawled through youtube and checked out the brilliant links KevBrads has shared, but there are certain dates I can't find, despite very specific Google searches. Do I need to sadly accept that not every date since the 80s is accessible?


Any help gratefully received.


Bertie, Itchen Valley.
'We'll never see 40 celsius in this country'.
Retron
03 December 2017 12:16:21
Here's the Met Office's take on the week ahead, via the Telegraph:

“It’s going to turn much colder again towards the end of the week, and by Thursday into Friday we’ll be seeing some snow, some ice and some very strong and cold northerly winds,” said Steven Keates, a meteorologist at the Met Office.

“So all change from what we’ve got at the moment, with another plunge of cold air coming our way. It will be wet and windy midweek and then colder to end.

“Showers will regularly be turning to snow across the Scottish mountains on Thursday and then by Friday the air will be cold enough to see wintry showers at lower levels in the north and potentially to lower levels in the south as well.

“So anywhere exposed to that very strong northerly wind could well see some snow by Friday.”

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“2010 was exceptionally cold in December and, since then, December months have been relatively mild, in fact, 2015 was exceptionally mild, it broke all records for being mild and wet as well,” said Mr Keates.

“We’ll probably stay on the colder side of average for much of the rest of the month, with brief milder interludes like we’ve got at the moment.

“There’s a reasonable chance, if this forecast comes off, that this December will probably be the coldest since 2010.

“It’s not going to be exceptionally cold, but a little bit colder than average, I think it shows how mild a lot of recent Decembers have been since 2010.

“I don't think there is anything particularly exceptional about this December, but in comparison to the last few, it will be colder.”

Leysdown, north Kent
Gavin D
03 December 2017 13:08:56
Met office upate

UK Outlook for Friday 8 Dec 2017 to Sunday 17 Dec 2017:

The UK will be subject to a cold arctic airflow by Friday, bringing plenty of sunny spells but also some hail and snow showers. Any wintry showers will be most likely over northern facing hills in Scotland, Wales and the southwest, but at times becoming widespread. Strong winds will affect all regions, with gales in exposed coasts in the north; feeling very cold in the wind. We will also see a widespread increase in overnight frost and ice. This cold and windy weather is likely to stay in place for a time, perhaps with some brief milder interludes in the south, with frontal systems bringing a mix of rain sleet and snow. There are signs that slower-moving, blocked weather patterns will return with more settled but still cold weather dominating.

UK Outlook for Sunday 17 Dec 2017 to Sunday 31 Dec 2017:

There is low confidence as to which weather pattern will dominate in the second half of December, however a theme of more slowly evolving weather looks the most likely. This is likely to bring a mixture of colder, drier periods and shorter lived milder, wetter, windier interludes. Snow is likely at times especially in more northern and central areas.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast/gcpvj0v07#?date=2017-11-14 
SnowJon
03 December 2017 13:20:33
Steady as she goes with that Met update - actually sounds even more wintry in the short term than yesterday's update!
Bangor, Co Down
marting
03 December 2017 13:30:44
They seem to have missed updating second part again! That or they think it’s the same and have not changed time period covered.
Martin
Martin
Greasby, Wirral.
glenogle
03 December 2017 15:16:11

Originally Posted by: marting 

They seem to have missed updating second part again! That or they think it’s the same and have not changed time period covered.
Martin


I had a look at yesterday's and don't remember seeing snow mentioned for northern and central areas, although I'll admit, I may only have ready the first half. I'm not sure.


 


Quite a promising update I'd say though. Friday is probably a bit far for any detail on country file but still be interesting to see their take at this stage.


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Gavin D
03 December 2017 15:18:39
Colder air returns later in the week with some snow showers for Scotland and the east and west coasts then slightly less cold for the weekend and beyond as we lose the northerly but still the chance of some snow

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/42215687 
ballogie
03 December 2017 19:19:41
Countryfile mentioned disruptive winds for North East Scotland on Friday
fairweather
03 December 2017 19:22:23

Countryfile forecast not as inspiring as I had hoped - but it was Phil Avery. From a S.E. centric view, colder northerly by Friday, temperatures of 6C and wintry showers on higher ground. No snow risk mentioned as such. A bit disappointing really.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Arcus
03 December 2017 19:31:44

Originally Posted by: fairweather 


Countryfile forecast not as inspiring as I had hoped - but it was Phil Avery. From a S.E. centric view, colder northerly by Friday, temperatures of 6C and wintry showers on higher ground. No snow risk mentioned as such. A bit disappointing really.



Which reflects the model output to the end of the working week very well.


Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
fairweather
03 December 2017 22:27:17

Originally Posted by: Arcus 


 


Which reflects the model output to the end of the working week very well.



Agreed, just hoped he might have a slight speculation at the weekend.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
glenogle
04 December 2017 08:23:10
I think we will get our first yellow warnings today. (For rain or wind) although the wind warning may mention snow showers.
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Gavin D
04 December 2017 11:11:43
BBC monthly outlook

Monday 4 December—Sunday 10 December
Mild at first, then wet and windy, then very cold!

The working week will get off to a relatively settled and chilly start, with high pressure centred to the southwest of the British Isles. Any mist and fog patches will slowly lift through the morning, leading to a mostly dry day with variable amounts of cloud and a relatively mild feel. Western districts may received the odd spot of drizzle.

Tuesday will be largely similar to Monday, with the exception that westerly winds will strengthen across central and northern parts of the UK as the high pressure system recedes into the near continent. By Wednesday, winds will back around to the southwest and strengthen significantly, making for a mild and windy day for much of the UK with fairly widespread gales developing, particularly around coasts. Western areas will be increasingly affected by rain though, as an Atlantic low pressure system edges in from the west. Indeed, the rain will slowly become quite heavy across parts of western Scotland and northwest England.

Overnight into Thursday, the low pressure system and its attendant fronts and rain bands will sweep southeast. A very cold and strong northwesterly wind will follow. Showers will turn increasingly wintry, with snow on the higher ground of the north. Many inland areas will stay mostly dry and sunny, but despite the sunshine, conditions will feel bitterly cold. Expect a very cold day on Friday with a cold northerly wind and further wintry showers affecting many parts that will turn increasingly to snow at lower levels. Coastal districts will most likely experience showers, but even some central parts of the UK could be see wintry showers too.

Through Saturday, forecast confidence is relatively low, but the most likely scenario is that the cold northerly winds will start to abate, with the possibility of conditions turning slightly less cold and more settled by Sunday.

Monday 11 December—Sunday 17 December
Not much sign of any lengthy milder interludes!

As we head into the middle of December, the majority of computer forecasting models suggest that weather patterns across the UK will tend to change very slowly. The favoured forecast theme for this period is that the jet stream will develop long, often narrow north/south meandering kinks that will only very slowly traverse the North Atlantic towards our shores. Such an eventuality will mean that the UK will often be in cold air of polar origin, as the UK will mainly lie on the cold side of the jet stream. Occasionally though, Atlantic low pressure systems will likely cross the UK from northwest to southeast, bringing milder air across mainly southern parts of the country.

This means that it is likely that most parts of the UK will experience fairly lengthy spells of colder weather. Frosty nights with patchy fog, followed by chilly days that combine sunny spells and showers (often of a wintry nature in the north) will be the main theme. Any low pressure systems that occasionally move across the Atlantic will likely introduce slightly milder interludes, mainly for southern parts of the country. Milder interludes will be accompanied by rain though, with northern edges of any rain areas introducing the threat of snow for some central and northern parts of the UK at times.

A weather phenomena known as the Madden-Julian Oscillation is also currently lending confidence to our UK forecast for this period. Across the tropics, a pulse of convective cloud (that manifests as thunderstorms) tends to move from west to east across the globe once every 30 to 60 days. Research has revealed a link between the position of this convective activity, and weather conditions across UK several days into the future. The current phase of the Madden-Julian Oscillation lends good support to the idea that the UK will be experience mainly slow changes in weather conditions through much of the month. Indeed, other meteorological phenomena occurring in other parts of the atmosphere also lend support to the latest UK forecast.

Monday 18 December—Sunday 31 December
Still on the cold side!

By the end of the calendar year, there isn't a particularly high level of consensus in the details of the UK weather forecast. That said, some data suggests that pressure will tend to be lower towards the south and west, with high pressure dominating towards the north and east. Such a synoptic pattern will lead to a continuation in colder than average conditions. Frosty nights, with cold days would be the most frequent and widespread occurrence, with the chance of wintry showers. Any wetter, milder interludes will likely be most prevalent further south, but with the jet stream forecast to continue to behave in a slowly meandering pattern, any such milder interludes will likely be fairly short-lived.

Of course, we're reaching the stage of the year when the weather question on the minds of many relates to the prospect of a white Christmas. At time of writing, it is simply just to early to give a definitive answer! As already discussed, the current favoured forecast solution for this period does lean towards conditions often being slightly colder than average, so we cannot rule out the possibility that somewhere in the UK (most likely further north) might see some snow at some point during the festive period. Regardless, it is very important to state that confidence in any forecast regarding this matter at this particular point in time is too low to lend any credibility to any definitive statements. Keep in touch with the BBC Weather Centre to stay abreast of the latest thinking!

Next week

New year, new weather. But what form are January's weather patterns likely to take? Find out next week ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2635167#outlook 
Gavin D
04 December 2017 12:16:08

Met office update

UK Outlook for Friday 8 Dec 2017 to Sunday 17 Dec 2017:

The UK will be subject to a cold arctic airflow by Friday, bringing plenty of sunny spells but also some hail and snow showers. Any wintry showers will be most likely over northern facing hills in Scotland, Wales and the southwest, but at times becoming widespread. Strong winds will affect all regions, with gales in exposed coasts in the north; feeling very cold in the wind. We will also see a widespread increase in overnight frost and ice. This cold and windy weather is likely to stay in place for a time, perhaps with some brief milder interludes in the south, with frontal systems bringing a mix of rain sleet and snow. There are signs that slower-moving, blocked weather patterns will return with more settled but still cold weather dominating.

UK Outlook for Tuesday 19 Dec 2017 to Tuesday 2 Jan 2018:

There is low confidence as to which weather pattern will dominate into the second half of December. However, a theme of more slowly evolving and a blocked weather pattern looks the most likely scenario. This is likely to bring a mixture of colder, drier periods and shorter lived milder, wetter, windier interludes. Snow is likely at times especially in more northern and central areas. Overall, temperatures will probably be below the average, but with some brief milder interludes.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast/gcpvj0v07#?date=2017-11-14

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