David M Porter
05 February 2014 23:22:02

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


Well one thing's for sure - the jet is more amplified by T+240; uppers of +8 into southern Newfoundland and -2 creeping into the Azores.


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You know what will happen SE, as always happens when we get the worst kind of winter - just when the sheep are lambing, the daffodils are blooming and the bluebells are unfurling their azure colours, winter will start with a vengeance and we shall get frost, snow and ice for the start of March!


I detest winters like this. We should get ice and snow in January and then March should bring in zephyr winds, soft scents and rising sap!



I think that is what is commonly known as sod's law, Maunder.


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Sevendust
06 February 2014 00:21:18

Originally Posted by: Jive Buddy 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


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A welcome widespread frost


 



Drier weather would be welcome yes, but I'm not so sure about frost? With so much water in the ground etc, a potential for lots more damage if it freezes and expands?



Hardly a dry chart either

Matty H
06 February 2014 07:27:23
Far from welcome. A further disaster for already shattered farmers/growers.
Andy Woodcock
06 February 2014 08:18:50
No change this morning, did anyone expect any?

Indeed, the UKMO run is worse than yesterday with a low early next week modelled deeper with a intense chunk of the PV stuck to the west of Ireland.

In FI it's more of the same as well, absolutely no change and zero sign of any dry weather.

Haven't looked today but the ensembles for Aberdeen yesterday were incredibly flat right out to 384! No one can say there isn't any consistency, I don't think I've ever seen ensembles so tightly clustered throughout a run.

I am lucky the landscape of Cumbria can cope with this rain it was built for it, but conditions in Southern England are becoming desperate, I feel very sorry for the poor buggers living on the south coast.

Andy
Andy Woodcock
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GIBBY
06 February 2014 08:37:50

Good morning folks. Here is todays look at the midnight releases of output from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Thursday February 6th 2014, taken from my website at http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


All models show Low pressure filling to the North of the UK with another system moving up across Southern Britain later today and clearing out into the North Sea tonight. Sunshine and showers over the North today but heavy rain will again affect the South and East and will not clear until after midnight tonight. it will though be much less windy today. Tomorrow and the weekend sees a showery period tomorrow being replaced by another active Low pressure bringing a sequence of events similar to yesterday with gales and heavy rain replaced by showers over the weekend. The rain will be heavy and the gales severe for further damage in places. Through the weekend it will feel cold and some of the showers could turn to snow over the hills though amounts away from the highest ground should not be problematic.


GFS then shows next week as very unsettled yet again with further heavy rain and showers at times moving steadily West to East off the Atlantic and giving further snow over the hills. Later in this morning's operational run a change to High pressure finally arrives with drier or dry weather likely with a welcome respite for flood afflicted areas though occasional rain is still possible towards the NW at times in temperatures rather chilly with some frost at night.


The GFS Ensembles show average temperatures prevailing over the two week period with further heavy rain at times though rainfall amounts are trending towards lessening somewhat later.


UKMO this morning shows yet another deep Low swinging NE over the UK next Tuesday with yet another spell of heavy rain and gales with a sunshine and squally shower mix towards midweek in a strong Westerly flow. However one cannot fail to notice yet another depression in the Western Atlantic already lying in wait to the far SW of Britain to affect the UK soon after midweek.


GEM is very depressing again this morning with Low pressure totally dominant with small disturbances within the main Low complex centred near Britain keeping the risk of heavy rain and showers going.


NAVGEM shows little change to the pattern we have become accustomed too with further Low pressure powered by a main Low pressure complex to the North with further heavy rain and showers to come.


ECM today shows no let up in the procession of Low pressure piling in from the SW with further spells of heavy rain alternating with blustery and very strong winds and blustery showers.


The ECM 9 and 10 Day Mean Charts show little or no change to the pattern at Day 9 and 1O with the Jet flow well to the South with Low pressure likely to be just to or over the North of the UK with a UK based trough indicating the continuing prospect of further rain at times in average temperatures and winds between South and West.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.gif
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


The Jet Stream shows an unrelenting path East across the Atlantic to the South of the UK. The flow is already strong and strengthens further at times which looks like maintaining the feed of deep depressions and heavy rain for the reliable future. Clutching at straws there are some hints of the flow moving slowly North late in the run but we have to remember this is the GFS prediction and is not a cross model prediction.


In Summary this morning the weather remains extremely unsettled and often wet with heavy rain at times in a continuing feed of Low pressure areas moving across the UK from off the Atlantic. Strong winds will also be a feature at times giving it's own problems for some and in addition it may be cold enough at times for some snowfall, especially on Northern hills though in the grand scheme of things this is of little consequence in comparison to the other major disruption down in the SW currently. GFS does hint at a slow shift north of the Jet Flow in Week 2 possibly allowing less rainfall in the South over the week after next but such improvements look very tentative again this morning and will need to be supported by the other longer term models from GEM and ECM when it falls within their time restraints before we can begin to become more confident on a possible change.


Martin G
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pthomps
06 February 2014 09:14:26

I think you'll find frost is welcomed by farmers this time of year. Kills the bugs, and the freeze \ thaw breaks up the soil nicely.


 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1501.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn15017.png


A welcome widespread frost


 



Drier weather would be welcome yes, but I'm not so sure about frost? With so much water in the ground etc, a potential for lots more damage if it freezes and expands?


roger63
06 February 2014 09:36:00

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 

No change this morning, did anyone expect any? Indeed, the UKMO run is worse than yesterday with a low early next week modelled deeper with a intense chunk of the PV stuck to the west of Ireland. In FI it's more of the same as well, absolutely no change and zero sign of any dry weather. Haven't looked today but the ensembles for Aberdeen yesterday were incredibly flat right out to 384! No one can say there isn't any consistency, I don't think I've ever seen ensembles so tightly clustered throughout a run. I am lucky the landscape of Cumbria can cope with this rain it was built for it, but conditions in Southern England are becoming desperate, I feel very sorry for the poor buggers living on the south coast. Andy


No change,endless zonality. GEFS 0h has the following zonal :anticyclonic circulation


240h 85:15


312h 60:40


384h 80:20


 

Gooner
06 February 2014 10:27:36

Originally Posted by: pthomps 


I think you'll find frost is welcomed by farmers this time of year. Kills the bugs, and the freeze \ thaw breaks up the soil nicely.


 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1501.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn15017.png


A welcome widespread frost


 



Drier weather would be welcome yes, but I'm not so sure about frost? With so much water in the ground etc, a potential for lots more damage if it freezes and expands?




I'm afraid more often than not with slack winds this time of year we get frost, at least houses will dry out , has to be better than rain............................................or not?


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Gooner
06 February 2014 10:31:38

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O dear


 


 


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Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Gooner
06 February 2014 10:34:27

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http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1504.gif


Endless


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
06 February 2014 10:36:26

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http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2164.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn21617.gif


Snow potential


 


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Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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The Beast from the East
06 February 2014 10:38:37

Again signs of a cool down and end to the rain events for the second half of the month. Of course, people will complain about the cold and frost but its better than rain


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The Beast from the East
06 February 2014 10:42:19

The METO outlook will give is the best indication of any blocking later in the month. The potential is there. The 06z is cold and frosty but not snowy. Will feel like winter anyway


 


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The Beast from the East
06 February 2014 10:44:27

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We deserve this after all the crap we've been through


Would be a nice way to finish the winter


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ITSY
06 February 2014 10:55:36

Another run, another cold and blocked finish. Interesting, but after the winter we've had, i'll not be getting too interested until things show up within high res at the very least! Ens should be noted though..

Charmhills
06 February 2014 11:12:00

The stubborn Atlantic patten continues.......endless.


Cold in GFS FI with something wintry but its the GFS after all.


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Gooner
06 February 2014 11:27:42

Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


The stubborn Atlantic patten continues.......endless.


Cold in GFS FI with something wintry but its the GFS after all.



Is GFS that bad then?


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Gooner
06 February 2014 11:29:51

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3362.gif


We deserve this after all the crap we've been through


Would be a nice way to finish the winter



http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014020606/gfsnh-1-384.png?6


Be funny if snow came throughout March


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Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Russwirral
06 February 2014 11:31:34

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


The stubborn Atlantic patten continues.......endless.


Cold in GFS FI with something wintry but its the GFS after all.



Is GFS that bad then?



 


i wouldnt say.  next week is looking increasingly wintry.  I can see central parts seeing some wintryness from the back edges of systems, which i favoured parts cold bring large snow falls.


 


I think its time to be optimistic again.


vince
06 February 2014 11:36:12

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3362.gif


We deserve this after all the crap we've been through


Would be a nice way to finish the winter



http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014020606/gfsnh-1-384.png?6


Be funny if snow came throughout March



 


bloody wouldnt be , after last years vile puke it would be nice to get the growing season off on time for a change ,  yes want a good frost  to kill of the grubs buried in the soil and to get the spuds in the ground in March rather than May ta very much

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