Whether Idle
Wednesday, February 5, 2014 9:06:14 PM

Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


No real sign of any respite from this awful spell of weather.


Just when you think that North atlantic SST's are maybe starting to cool enough to possibly start reducing the strength of cyclogenesis, the atmosphere decides to start forming even more disturbing features from the warmer waters towards Biscay.


Warmer water = More moisture = More flooding.


 



Oh, it will change alright. Last week of February into first week of March - that is when winter proper will start. Too far ahead for the models to pick it up yet, but no weather pattern lasts indefinitely. 



A cold, wet and wintry March would be the ultimate insult after the autumn we are enduring ! 



Agreed Steve, we want to avoid cr*p like that.  Meanwhile IMBY Im buying sandbags tomorrow as the mighty Dour is proabably going to burst its banks


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Gusty
Wednesday, February 5, 2014 9:10:19 PM

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


No real sign of any respite from this awful spell of weather.


Just when you think that North atlantic SST's are maybe starting to cool enough to possibly start reducing the strength of cyclogenesis, the atmosphere decides to start forming even more disturbing features from the warmer waters towards Biscay.


Warmer water = More moisture = More flooding.


 



Oh, it will change alright. Last week of February into first week of March - that is when winter proper will start. Too far ahead for the models to pick it up yet, but no weather pattern lasts indefinitely. 



A cold, wet and wintry March would be the ultimate insult after the autumn we are enduring ! 



 


Agreed Steve, we want to avoid cr*p like that.  Meanwhile IMBY Im buying sandbags tomorrow as the mighty Dour is proabably going to burst its banks



Nightmare..It sounds like we shall need to pay the river a visit before the pub tomorrow evening then. 


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Gooner
Wednesday, February 5, 2014 9:11:54 PM

Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


No real sign of any respite from this awful spell of weather.


Just when you think that North atlantic SST's are maybe starting to cool enough to possibly start reducing the strength of cyclogenesis, the atmosphere decides to start forming even more disturbing features from the warmer waters towards Biscay.


Warmer water = More moisture = More flooding.


 



Oh, it will change alright. Last week of February into first week of March - that is when winter proper will start. Too far ahead for the models to pick it up yet, but no weather pattern lasts indefinitely. 



A cold, wet and wintry March would be the ultimate insult after the autumn we are enduring ! 



A wintry March will do just  fine IMO


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Whether Idle
Wednesday, February 5, 2014 9:12:45 PM

Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


No real sign of any respite from this awful spell of weather.


Just when you think that North atlantic SST's are maybe starting to cool enough to possibly start reducing the strength of cyclogenesis, the atmosphere decides to start forming even more disturbing features from the warmer waters towards Biscay.


Warmer water = More moisture = More flooding.


 



Oh, it will change alright. Last week of February into first week of March - that is when winter proper will start. Too far ahead for the models to pick it up yet, but no weather pattern lasts indefinitely. 



A cold, wet and wintry March would be the ultimate insult after the autumn we are enduring ! 



 


Agreed Steve, we want to avoid cr*p like that.  Meanwhile IMBY Im buying sandbags tomorrow as the mighty Dour is proabably going to burst its banks



Nightmare..It sounds like we shall need to pay the river a visit before the pub tomorrow evening then. 



You dont mind helping me with the sandbags do you? 😉.


ECM goes for 50mm in SE Kent in next 48 hours:


http://en.vedur.is/weather/forecasts/atlantic/#type=prec


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Gusty
Wednesday, February 5, 2014 9:14:09 PM

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


No real sign of any respite from this awful spell of weather.


Just when you think that North atlantic SST's are maybe starting to cool enough to possibly start reducing the strength of cyclogenesis, the atmosphere decides to start forming even more disturbing features from the warmer waters towards Biscay.


Warmer water = More moisture = More flooding.


 



Oh, it will change alright. Last week of February into first week of March - that is when winter proper will start. Too far ahead for the models to pick it up yet, but no weather pattern lasts indefinitely. 



 


A cold, wet and wintry March would be the ultimate insult after the autumn we are enduring ! 



 


Agreed Steve, we want to avoid cr*p like that.  Meanwhile IMBY Im buying sandbags tomorrow as the mighty Dour is proabably going to burst its banks



Nightmare..It sounds like we shall need to pay the river a visit before the pub tomorrow evening then. 



You dont mind helping me with the sandbags do you? 😉.


ECM goes for 50mm in SE Kent in next 48 hours:


http://en.vedur.is/weather/forecasts/atlantic/#type=prec



In that case I shall happily help fill them. 


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cultman1
Wednesday, February 5, 2014 9:25:47 PM
This spell of atrocious weather has resulted in a terrible and unrelenting wind and rain fest for much of the south of the UK for weeks on end.

Is there any real prospect that there will be a pattern change anytime soon?

I do begin to wonder whether this hyper active zonal/disturbed pattern of weather may not continue for at least another 2-6 weeks before there is any possibility of a change? Comments welcome
Gusty
Wednesday, February 5, 2014 9:27:45 PM

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


No real sign of any respite from this awful spell of weather.


Just when you think that North atlantic SST's are maybe starting to cool enough to possibly start reducing the strength of cyclogenesis, the atmosphere decides to start forming even more disturbing features from the warmer waters towards Biscay.


Warmer water = More moisture = More flooding.


 



Oh, it will change alright. Last week of February into first week of March - that is when winter proper will start. Too far ahead for the models to pick it up yet, but no weather pattern lasts indefinitely. 



A cold, wet and wintry March would be the ultimate insult after the autumn we are enduring ! 



A wintry March will do just  fine IMO



Stop being silly Marcus. 


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Nordic Snowman
Wednesday, February 5, 2014 9:34:35 PM

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Originally Posted by: Nordic Snowman 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014020512/ECU1-144.GIF?05-0


That would be perhaps a record-breaker...


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/navgem/runs/2014020512/navgem-0-168.png?05-18


While that would be... similar in terms of pressure gradient, but crazy in terms of central pressure.


 


What ECM and NAVGEM are picking up on is the potential that comes with the southern jet picking up disturbances moving up from the Gulf of Mexico; if any one of those systems positions favourably, it can bomb out.


GFS and UKMO are not seeing that kind of development and that's largely down to them being slower with the disturbance - it reaches a favourable position close to the East U.S. coast rather than in the middle of the Atlantic, and at that time it's not picked up much eastward momentum so it doesn't get nearly as far... or at least, not on the GFS 12z op run. The UKMO run seems to have the trough nearly as slow as GFS but doesn't have the development stage occuring quite so far west.


 


There looks to be a fair number of those little disturbances entering the Atlantic over the coming week - it's like a game of Russian Roulette where the southern jet is the gun and those disturbances are the bullets 



Although the ECM is only predicting surface winds of 57mph max. Though I suppose that is sustained. 


Perhaps more noteworthy is the 10cm of snow being predicted for Northern ireland at 144h on the ECM. 



Could be another Oct 87 with those charts


Quantum: I'll have a friendly weathermans bet with you! I agree with what I am seeing from GEFS i.e a continuing unsettled theme, a little colder next week (high ground wet snow at times, non-settling and very transient) with a colder rain merely being the sad miserable case. Strong winds, gales at times, more flooding. A couple of drier interludes hinted with temperatures closer to average i.e rain for most, hill snow becoming even more likely.... but.... no nationwide 'proper' Beast from the East type of freeze and therefore, nothing which even closely resembles a winter i.e the continuation of a very, very, very long autumn....



 


The wager would be:


1) Some sign of pattern change by the 15th


2) Northern or Southern blocking by the 20th


The 1st is more of a subjective entry requirment, if the atlantic is raging through at full force and there is nothing in the reliable time frame on the main models then you will win.


The 2nd condition requires strong influence from a scandanavian, greenland*, bartlett, azors, or Euro high or strong mid atlantic high**, or UK based highs (NOT transient ridge) .


*In this case it has to be obvious the blocking is influencing the UK and not just iceland. In all cases dry weather (excepting lake effect wintry showers) should be prolonged in the south east.


 


** A northerly toppler does not count, since the atlantic would still be pummeling through. Any cold spell produced as a result of a mid atlantic high should last at least 5 days and put the -5C isotherm across the entire country. Any cold airmass that otherwise results from a cold sector of a depression, or a polar maritime airmass (northwesterly usually) does not count. It should be apparant by the longevity whether it is a brief cold sector + ridge or substantial blocking. 


 


Note: Snow and cold does not form any role in the wager; snow in atlantic conditions cannot be used to my advantage, and lack of snow in southern blocking conditions to yours. The key aspect will be a shutdown of the atlantic train, and drier (as a direct result of blocking) weather generally. 


If this is not the case you will win. 


 


If you are okay with this? 


 



All rather complex with many T&Cs but yes, a friendly weathermans bet


Eyes down for the 18z....


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Nordic Snowman
Wednesday, February 5, 2014 9:54:42 PM

18z takes Sat storm just a tad further N. Result: stormiest winds N England, N Wales.


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Gooner
Wednesday, February 5, 2014 10:15:27 PM

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn301.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn304.png


Next lot of heavy rain


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn601.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn604.png


Followed by more on Saturday


 


 


 


 


 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
Wednesday, February 5, 2014 10:18:41 PM

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1381.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1384.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn13817.png


Possibilty of snow on the leading edge


 


 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
Wednesday, February 5, 2014 10:22:47 PM

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1501.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn15017.png


A welcome widespread frost


 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
Wednesday, February 5, 2014 10:34:38 PM

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1801.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1804.png


And more heavy rain , such an incredible spell of weather, can February be wetter than January ?


 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Quantum
Wednesday, February 5, 2014 10:35:10 PM

Originally Posted by: Nordic Snowman 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Originally Posted by: Nordic Snowman 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014020512/ECU1-144.GIF?05-0


That would be perhaps a record-breaker...


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/navgem/runs/2014020512/navgem-0-168.png?05-18


While that would be... similar in terms of pressure gradient, but crazy in terms of central pressure.


 


What ECM and NAVGEM are picking up on is the potential that comes with the southern jet picking up disturbances moving up from the Gulf of Mexico; if any one of those systems positions favourably, it can bomb out.


GFS and UKMO are not seeing that kind of development and that's largely down to them being slower with the disturbance - it reaches a favourable position close to the East U.S. coast rather than in the middle of the Atlantic, and at that time it's not picked up much eastward momentum so it doesn't get nearly as far... or at least, not on the GFS 12z op run. The UKMO run seems to have the trough nearly as slow as GFS but doesn't have the development stage occuring quite so far west.


 


There looks to be a fair number of those little disturbances entering the Atlantic over the coming week - it's like a game of Russian Roulette where the southern jet is the gun and those disturbances are the bullets 



Although the ECM is only predicting surface winds of 57mph max. Though I suppose that is sustained. 


Perhaps more noteworthy is the 10cm of snow being predicted for Northern ireland at 144h on the ECM. 



Could be another Oct 87 with those charts


Quantum: I'll have a friendly weathermans bet with you! I agree with what I am seeing from GEFS i.e a continuing unsettled theme, a little colder next week (high ground wet snow at times, non-settling and very transient) with a colder rain merely being the sad miserable case. Strong winds, gales at times, more flooding. A couple of drier interludes hinted with temperatures closer to average i.e rain for most, hill snow becoming even more likely.... but.... no nationwide 'proper' Beast from the East type of freeze and therefore, nothing which even closely resembles a winter i.e the continuation of a very, very, very long autumn....



 


The wager would be:


1) Some sign of pattern change by the 15th


2) Northern or Southern blocking by the 20th


The 1st is more of a subjective entry requirment, if the atlantic is raging through at full force and there is nothing in the reliable time frame on the main models then you will win.


The 2nd condition requires strong influence from a scandanavian, greenland*, bartlett, azors, or Euro high or strong mid atlantic high**, or UK based highs (NOT transient ridge) .


*In this case it has to be obvious the blocking is influencing the UK and not just iceland. In all cases dry weather (excepting lake effect wintry showers) should be prolonged in the south east.


 


** A northerly toppler does not count, since the atlantic would still be pummeling through. Any cold spell produced as a result of a mid atlantic high should last at least 5 days and put the -5C isotherm across the entire country. Any cold airmass that otherwise results from a cold sector of a depression, or a polar maritime airmass (northwesterly usually) does not count. It should be apparant by the longevity whether it is a brief cold sector + ridge or substantial blocking. 


 


Note: Snow and cold does not form any role in the wager; snow in atlantic conditions cannot be used to my advantage, and lack of snow in southern blocking conditions to yours. The key aspect will be a shutdown of the atlantic train, and drier (as a direct result of blocking) weather generally. 


If this is not the case you will win. 


 


If you are okay with this? 


 



All rather complex with many T&Cs but yes, a friendly weathermans bet


Eyes down for the 18z....



:)


Should be interesting. 


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gooner
Wednesday, February 5, 2014 10:50:59 PM

Nice change in FI cooler weather with frosts


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


ITSY
Wednesday, February 5, 2014 10:51:02 PM

well well well to the 18Z  Pub run or Q's trendsetter? 

Quantum
Wednesday, February 5, 2014 10:54:30 PM

Originally Posted by: ITSY 


well well well to the 18Z  Pub run or Q's trendsetter? 



Its certainly an interesting run to FI. For a brief moment at 324h we have a feed directly from siberia. If that low in scandi was just a little further south it would be a frigid feed. Academic of course, but nice to see that if the atlantic does calm down our siberian friend won't let us down? 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gooner
Wednesday, February 5, 2014 10:57:14 PM

http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/2014/02/05/basis18/ukuk/rart/14021112_2_0518.gif


JFF  Leading edge snow early in the week


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Jive Buddy
Wednesday, February 5, 2014 10:58:17 PM

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1501.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn15017.png


A welcome widespread frost


 



Drier weather would be welcome yes, but I'm not so sure about frost? With so much water in the ground etc, a potential for lots more damage if it freezes and expands?


It's not over, until the fat Scandy sinks.....

Location: St. Mary Cray, S.E. London border with Kent.
Quantum
Wednesday, February 5, 2014 11:00:09 PM

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/2014/02/05/basis18/ukuk/rart/14021112_2_0518.gif


JFF  Leading edge snow early in the week



Decent ana warm front or warm occluded front, they always deliever even at high 850s. The biggest problem would be the pennines weakening the integrity of the front and turning it to rain on the eastern side. 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
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