No sign of summer for the foreseable future. Temperatures are 1-2 degrees below normal in some areas. Maybe July.

It really sad about it and what about the tourism businesses will suffer now because of poor weather.  Today I went to the water park outside Oak Lawn, Chicago and I see many people were enjoying it under a proper summery weather.   It was 29C under typical american hazy skies and felt very pleasant for swimming.

If no summer return when I get back on 3rd July I will not bother to turn on my WS2500 this time as I cannot accept a 5th year running of poor summer.   

Been discussing plans about returning to Chicago in 2013 with longer stay and after that go to Los Angeles for 2 weeks which mean I have more time to go to Las Vegas and visit Furnace Creek, Death Valley on the way, the place where I been recording their amazing deathly hot temperatures for years.  Summer 2012 will be in the Philippines where you won't miss a summery weather at all. 

No sign of summer for the foreseable future. Temperatures are 1-2 degrees below normal in some areas. Maybe July.

Latest indications are that high pressure will build during the first ten days of July, and we could look for a heat-wave, up to 30C. And I feel that may set a new trend. Anyone else remember 1955? Then a poorish June was followed by dry-ish and wram summer 

No sign of summer for the foreseable future. Temperatures are 1-2 degrees below normal in some areas. Maybe July.

Latest indications are that high pressure will build during the first ten days of July, and we could look for a heat-wave, up to 30C. And I feel that may set a new trend. Anyone else remember 1955? Then a poorish June was followed by dry-ish and wram summer 

As well as 1955, 1990 and 1991 also followed a similar path.

Then theres 1999, which had a poor June, a very good July and a terrible August.

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Reading through the Netweather forums, there has been some talk of the large scale pattern showing no signs of altering rapidly in any way as to bring a sudden change to the UK's weather.

However, there is a 'seasonal wavelength change' which has been discussed. This change, when left to do its own thing, gradually alters the dominant pattern of June to something different for July in the UK, or so I've read.

The short to mid range model output of late, plus some long range model output, has supported this idea of a gradual change in the pattern as we finish June and head into July, with ridging of high pressure into Greenland gradually becoming less pronounced and the mean jet edging north in response to that, increasing the influence of high pressure from south of the UK.

 

What I would like to know is, what do other folk on here make of this? Is it a sound idea or a load of nonsense? tia

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Sounds like they're grasping at any straw to try and back their utterly wretched summer forecast as it has been so far. They won't be liking the current outputs either having issued an amendment to their summer forecast (never understood that, just stand by it and accept the flak if you're going to attempt the impossible) saying that they were confident it would all come good in July

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Well it's been a lovely summer here so far, albeit we could really do with some more rain (hopefully tonight may make up a bit of the month's shortfall) and I suppose I could have done without getting sunburn in Scotland last weekend.   I've noticed a lot more bright sunny mornings than we've had in recent years

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So here we are, the first heatwave warnings have been issued by the metoffice with temperatures forecast to reach 32c at least on Monday perhaps higher!

So here we are, the first heatwave warnings have been issued by the metoffice with temperatures forecast to reach 32c at least on Monday perhaps higher!

Tbh these warnings are a joke. One or possibly 2 days does not constitute a heatwave in my view. Persistent heat that lasts a week or more would be a different matter

No sign of summer for the foreseable future. Temperatures are 1-2 degrees below normal in some areas. Maybe July.

Latest indications are that high pressure will build during the first ten days of July, and we could look for a heat-wave, up to 30C. And I feel that may set a new trend. Anyone else remember 1955? Then a poorish June was followed by dry-ish and wram summer 

As well as 1955, 1990 and 1991 also followed a similar path.

Then theres 1999, which had a poor June, a very good July and a terrible August.

I remember it reached 30ºC here right at the beginning of August 1999 with a few more warm days just after and that was it.

Then, oddly enough a very warm September followed.

So here we are, the first heatwave warnings have been issued by the metoffice with temperatures forecast to reach 32c at least on Monday perhaps higher!

Tbh these warnings are a joke. One or possibly 2 days does not constitute a heatwave in my view. Persistent heat that lasts a week or more would be a different matter

That was my view too. A heatwave surely should be 5 days at least of hot temperatures - into the high twenties or low thirties for several days running

So here we are, the first heatwave warnings have been issued by the metoffice with temperatures forecast to reach 32c at least on Monday perhaps higher!

Tbh these warnings are a joke. One or possibly 2 days does not constitute a heatwave in my view. Persistent heat that lasts a week or more would be a different matter

That was my view too. A heatwave surely should be 5 days at least of hot temperatures - into the high twenties or low thirties for several days running

 

The criteria have been around for a good while and were instigated by the govt in conjunction with medical advice.  Were you all writing to your MP 6 months ago complaining about them and providing sound scientific evidence that such criteria are unnecessary? 

Or is this the usual usual any old excuse to slag off the MetO

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So here we are, the first heatwave warnings have been issued by the metoffice with temperatures forecast to reach 32c at least on Monday perhaps higher!

Tbh these warnings are a joke. One or possibly 2 days does not constitute a heatwave in my view. Persistent heat that lasts a week or more would be a different matter

Agree. It's pathetic. I wouldn't expect a warning if it was expected to be 32c every day from now until September

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So here we are, the first heatwave warnings have been issued by the metoffice with temperatures forecast to reach 32c at least on Monday perhaps higher!

Tbh these warnings are a joke. One or possibly 2 days does not constitute a heatwave in my view. Persistent heat that lasts a week or more would be a different matter

That was my view too. A heatwave surely should be 5 days at least of hot temperatures - into the high twenties or low thirties for several days running

The criteria have been around for a good while and were instigated by the govt in conjunction with medical advice.  Were you all writing to your MP 6 months ago complaining about them and providing sound scientific evidence that such criteria are unnecessary? 

Or is this the usual usual any old excuse to slag off the MetO

LOL, I don't care about this enough to write a letter over it. It's still unnecessary though

So here we are, the first heatwave warnings have been issued by the metoffice with temperatures forecast to reach 32c at least on Monday perhaps higher!

Tbh these warnings are a joke. One or possibly 2 days does not constitute a heatwave in my view. Persistent heat that lasts a week or more would be a different matter

That was my view too. A heatwave surely should be 5 days at least of hot temperatures - into the high twenties or low thirties for several days running

 

The criteria have been around for a good while and were instigated by the govt in conjunction with medical advice.  Were you all writing to your MP 6 months ago complaining about them and providing sound scientific evidence that such criteria are unnecessary? 

Or is this the usual usual any old excuse to slag off the MetO

ROFL Andy. I refer back to my original point. Releasing such a warning as a "heatwave" is bxllxcks. More to do with terminology than bashing the meto....something that many others are better at and more practised than me

So here we are, the first heatwave warnings have been issued by the metoffice with temperatures forecast to reach 32c at least on Monday perhaps higher!

Tbh these warnings are a joke. One or possibly 2 days does not constitute a heatwave in my view. Persistent heat that lasts a week or more would be a different matter

That was my view too. A heatwave surely should be 5 days at least of hot temperatures - into the high twenties or low thirties for several days running

 

The criteria have been around for a good while and were instigated by the govt in conjunction with medical advice.  Were you all writing to your MP 6 months ago complaining about them and providing sound scientific evidence that such criteria are unnecessary? 

Or is this the usual usual any old excuse to slag off the MetO

ROFL Andy. I refer back to my original point. Releasing such a warning as a "heatwave" is bxllxcks. More to do with terminology than bashing the meto....something that many others are better at and more practised than me

 

I agree the warnings are ridiculous.  But it's not the MetO's fault that they've been asked to issue them

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So here we are, the first heatwave warnings have been issued by the metoffice with temperatures forecast to reach 32c at least on Monday perhaps higher!

Tbh these warnings are a joke. One or possibly 2 days does not constitute a heatwave in my view. Persistent heat that lasts a week or more would be a different matter

That was my view too. A heatwave surely should be 5 days at least of hot temperatures - into the high twenties or low thirties for several days running

 

The criteria have been around for a good while and were instigated by the govt in conjunction with medical advice.  Were you all writing to your MP 6 months ago complaining about them and providing sound scientific evidence that such criteria are unnecessary? 

Or is this the usual usual any old excuse to slag off the MetO

ROFL Andy. I refer back to my original point. Releasing such a warning as a "heatwave" is bxllxcks. More to do with terminology than bashing the meto....something that many others are better at and more practised than me

 

I agree the warnings are ridiculous.  But it's not the MetO's fault that they've been asked to issue them

NuLabour's fault then

Maybe its just my memory but i'm sure when these metoffice heat warnings first came about the criteria was 3 or more consecutive days of the said temperatures. Im guessing over several lame summers with these criteria never even being threatend the metoffice altered it.

 Im guessing over several lame summers with these criteria never even being threatend the metoffice altered it.

Heat Health warnings were issued last year    Just because you believe the media doesn't mean there weren't heatwaves in 2010!

 

But the Govt Heatwave Plan issued in 2004 - and the reason why the MetO have to issue this warnings - specifies a forecast for temps to exceed the criteria for a duration of 2 consecutive days (page 6) in order to instigate a Level 2 alert

http://www.lho.org.uk/Download/Public/10606/1/Heatwave_3_Plan_For_England.pdf

Current Alert for the SE looks to be fully in accordance with the Govt Plan to me

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http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/people/wwang/cfs_fcst/images3/glbz700Mon.gif

A similar theme for July has been shown on the CFS long range foreast for about a week now.

Its looking like it could be a fairly good month for the south, whilst the north often sees some Atlantic influence. Airmasses could be alternating quite frequently between warm and sultry continental air and fresher maritime air, whilst the sun often finds a way through for the south but has more trouble further north.

August has the hallmarks of a warm to hot, dry month now that a clear anomaly has finally been predicted after the vagueness of recent times. The anomaly is postive and covers the UK and near eastern regions

 

There's still time for things to change, of course. The anomaly for July changed a little - for the better, in fact - as we went through June, but the overall setup is not far off, so perhaps there really is some hope for this year's summer holiday period?

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http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/people/wwang/cfs_fcst/images3/glbz700Mon.gif

A similar theme for July has been shown on the CFS long range foreast for about a week now.

Its looking like it could be a fairly good month for the south, whilst the north often sees some Atlantic influence. Airmasses could be alternating quite frequently between warm and sultry continental air and fresher maritime air, whilst the sun often finds a way through for the south but has more trouble further north.

August has the hallmarks of a warm to hot, dry month now that a clear anomaly has finally been predicted after the vagueness of recent times. The anomaly is postive and covers the UK and near eastern regions

 

There's still time for things to change, of course. The anomaly for July changed a little - for the better, in fact - as we went through June, but the overall setup is not far off, so perhaps there really is some hope for this year's summer holiday period?

Take one week at a time hay instead of always looking so far ahead.

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