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26 September 2017 06:16:47

All but into the 5-day 'reliable' forecast period and anything could happen on Sunday and after as ex-hurricanes get a move on across the Atlantic.


GFS0z - intense depression off NW Scotland at T+144 (Mon) continuing to move NE


ECM - Less intense depression but over central England at T+168 (Tue) and heading off SE to Med


MetO - Weather for the week ahead last night flatly refused to forecast anything! But the forecast they offer for Chichester shows the summary for Sunday as wet but with hour-by hour chance of rain at 10%. Fax however at T+120 shows a line of southerly tracking lows with Maria bringing up the rear for later.


Interesting times!


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overland
26 September 2017 09:02:46

Originally Posted by: DEW 


All but into the 5-day 'reliable' forecast period and anything could happen on Sunday and after as ex-hurricanes get a move on across the Atlantic.


GFS0z - intense depression off NW Scotland at T+144 (Mon) continuing to move NE


ECM - Less intense depression but over central England at T+168 (Tue) and heading off SE to Med


MetO - Weather for the week ahead last night flatly refused to forecast anything! But the forecast they offer for Chichester shows the summary for Sunday as wet but with hour-by hour chance of rain at 10%. Fax however at T+120 shows a line of southerly tracking lows with Maria bringing up the rear for later.


Interesting times!



I'm running in the Cardiff Half Marathon this weekend and I've been watching the weather for Sunday for the last few days and it has varied wildly from dry and calm to heavy rain and wind. Currently, the Metoffice 7 dayer is showing mainly dry but a 20% chance of rain which is, oddly, in contrast to Chichester's lower percentage of rain but wet. It's clearly one of those times when it will be a nowcast on the day.


 


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27 September 2017 06:27:54

Sunday still up for grabs. ECM has (reluctantly?) joiined in with GFS in developing a storm for the NW out of the remnants of Maria, but Fax and the MetO 7-dayer suggesting a lot more rain across the south. NHC agrees, placing storm Maria just off SW Ireland on Sunday (now there's a naming anomaly for Neil)


http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_at5.shtml?cone#contents


Lee hadn't been updated to Sunday at time of writing but may well get to cat3 status before being swallowed by Maria.


 


The local MetO forecast for Chichester has gone from no rain(<10%) for Sunday to heavy rain all day (>80% 1000 - 1900) in the space of a day. I'd back that outcome.


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nsrobins
27 September 2017 11:17:40

Originally Posted by: DEW 


Sunday still up for grabs. ECM has (reluctantly?) joiined in with GFS in developing a storm for the NW out of the remnants of Maria, but Fax and the MetO 7-dayer suggesting a lot more rain across the south. NHC agrees, placing storm Maria just off SW Ireland on Sunday (now there's a naming anomaly for Neil)



πŸ‘ I reckon secretly the UKMO is hoping the system doesn't meet their 'naming criteria' as it will be a bit complicated. 'Brian' is next on their list but what do you call a low that has ex-tropical characteristics born from the remnants of Maria and Lee?


I'm guessing 'Storm Brian derived from the remnants of a non-synchronous post-transitional fusion of ex-Hurricanes Maria and Lee' doesn't flow very well does it? πŸ˜‚


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Bolty
27 September 2017 11:23:40

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


 


πŸ‘ I reckon secretly the UKMO is hoping the system doesn't meet their 'naming criteria' as it will be a bit complicated. 'Brian' is next on their list but what do you call a low that has ex-tropical characteristics born from the remnants of Maria and Lee?


I'm guessing 'Storm Brian derived from the remnants of a non-synchronous post-transitional fusion of ex-Hurricanes Maria and Lee' doesn't flow very well does it? πŸ˜‚



That's something that's still being considered apparently. When the named storms scheme was first thought up, I believe it was decided that all tropical remnants would keep their hurricane name. It's not something I'mm too fond of, as it will completely mess our named system up.


Hopefully however, they end up naming it as per their system.


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27 September 2017 15:45:38

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


 


πŸ‘ I reckon secretly the UKMO is hoping the system doesn't meet their 'naming criteria' as it will be a bit complicated. 'Brian' is next on their list but what do you call a low that has ex-tropical characteristics born from the remnants of Maria and Lee?


I'm guessing 'Storm Brian derived from the remnants of a non-synchronous post-transitional fusion of ex-Hurricanes Maria and Lee' doesn't flow very well does it? πŸ˜‚



If Maria marries Lee, why shouldn't they have a son called Brian? Though it rather looks as if Maria is taking the role of the female spider and swallowing Lee whole.


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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
27 September 2017 16:59:11

It looks very Unsettled for Sunday and Monday and a ridge improves our Weather for Tuesday and Wednesday next week.


There is some rain in today and next 48 hours after midnight a.m. Thursday.  Saturday looks fine and settled for many.


And for the NW and North UK more Westerly winds SW to NW flow from about Wednesday and Thursday next week, at that time the SW and SE and S UK parts should see higher pressure from retreating ridge of High P. where dry and mild weather should return. 


A prolonged spell of heavy rain on Sunday and Monday early and late is possible and expected, heavy blustery showers for many with some gales and severe gales looking quite a possible forecast as via the GFS and UKMO, the ECMWF is backing these two up very well indeed, Sunday very warm and humid, or mild.  Chilly NW winds on this coming Monday.πŸ˜†πŸ”šπŸ”ŽπŸŒŽ.


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge.Β 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
idj20
27 September 2017 17:15:45

Originally Posted by: DEW 


 


If Maria marries Lee, why shouldn't they have a son called Brian? Though it rather looks as if Maria is taking the role of the female spider and swallowing Lee whole.




Since the remnants are being forecast to move over Southern England where most of the chavs are, then perhaps it could be called Brianna Maria-Lee.


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28 September 2017 06:40:42

That Atlantic low takes over both Maria and Lee The fax charts, 


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/datmdlout.aspx


which are the ones I would trust at this stage, look as if the north will get enhanced wind (though nothing more than an average autumn gale) and the south will get the extra rain


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Stormchaser
28 September 2017 14:45:50

Tricky temperature details within a relatively easy broader-scale setup developing next week; deep troughs near Greenland look very likely to throw a lot of warm air across N. Europe and Scandinavia at the upper levels, which then slows and takes on a general sinking tendency, promoting extensive high pressure for those regions. A 'Scuero High' as some call it - and something seen all too often mid-late last winter in place of the more effective (for wintry weather) standalone Scandinavian Highs. 


As it is, we're in mid-autumn and so the exact positioning and orientation of the extended ridge will make the difference between an 'Indian Summer' (this now being technically applicable following frosts in some spots earlier this month) and a run of very cool nights and fresh but still potentially very pleasant days (depending on how much of a breeze there is).


Either way, good odds on abundant dry weather which will be a welcome relief for many after a generally damp (in SE) to soaking wet (in N, particularly NW) Aug-Sep period. Assuming, that is, that some ex-tropical feature doesn't come along and upset the whole pattern again...!


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Hungry Tiger
28 September 2017 18:54:42

Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


Tricky temperature details within a relatively easy broader-scale setup developing next week; deep troughs near Greenland look very likely to throw a lot of warm air across N. Europe and Scandinavia at the upper levels, which then slows and takes on a general sinking tendency, promoting extensive high pressure for those regions. A 'Scuero High' as some call it - and something seen all too often mid-late last winter in place of the more effective (for wintry weather) standalone Scandinavian Highs. 


As it is, we're in mid-autumn and so the exact positioning and orientation of the extended ridge will make the difference between an 'Indian Summer' (this now being technically applicable following frosts in some spots earlier this month) and a run of very cool nights and fresh but still potentially very pleasant days (depending on how much of a breeze there is).


Either way, good odds on abundant dry weather which will be a welcome relief for many after a generally damp (in SE) to soaking wet (in N, particularly NW) Aug-Sep period. Assuming, that is, that some ex-tropical feature doesn't come along and upset the whole pattern again...!




Excellent commentary there - Thanks.


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Sharp Green Fox
28 September 2017 20:09:22

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


 



Excellent commentary there - Thanks.


Agreed

Whether Idle
29 September 2017 19:31:37

A little bit beyond the reliable range, but CFS has a Kettley High with -10 uppers making it into Shetland by Nov 12th:




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01 October 2017 06:34:29

Nothing very settled for the next week, with the ,ajor models keeping the NW wet and the SE (mainly) dry. After that, GFS keeps the same pattern but ECM and the link below suggest a wetter period for the whole country


http://www.wxmaps.org/pix/prec4.html


All looks a bit different from the extensive warm high pressure cells we were being promised a short while ago


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01 October 2017 07:10:53

The accumulated rainfall for the week ahead suggests a typically autumnal ridge / trough westerly set up. Orographic rainfall for the western highlands in any TM incursions. 


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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
01 October 2017 19:17:46

The Converyor Belt, Hadley Cells are right there in the Middle Lattitudes.


The Mild air is waving across, and there are some cold NW flows on a generally Mobile westerly to east moving trajectory.


Upto next 8 days nothing special is on the cards, this place can rest in peace and a mild Autumn is progressing hey.


There are some shots of cooler NW flows as well for the UK I can see that, next weekend though the mild westerlies and some cloud and wet interludes look like affecting UK and NW Europe again so let's just be kind and enjoy the sunshine and showers hey!.


GFS, ECMWF and the UKMO the big three are throwing us the progressive numbers so all is not lost.


It is threes for now huh!.


 


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge.Β 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
Stormchaser
01 October 2017 21:00:48

The lower-stratospheric and also tropospheric vortex looks very troubled in the foreseeable with a lot of excess heat over the Arctic finding its way upward to mess with the usual winding-up process.


It all sounds a lot like mid-late autumn last year, and seems to be enough for GFS to keep toying with blocking highs at the high latitudes. While these are unlikely to produce much of great interest in the UK in early-mid October, they do serve to move large areas of cold air out of the Arctic (and mild air into it - a positive feedback!) which look to send considerable portions of N. Asia into an early winter. 


So... we may well find ourselves being teased by cold pools to our east for even longer than usual this later autumn - winter .


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Hungry Tiger
02 October 2017 08:44:34

Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


The lower-stratospheric and also tropospheric vortex looks very troubled in the foreseeable with a lot of excess heat over the Arctic finding its way upward to mess with the usual winding-up process.


It all sounds a lot like mid-late autumn last year, and seems to be enough for GFS to keep toying with blocking highs at the high latitudes. While these are unlikely to produce much of great interest in the UK in early-mid October, they do serve to move large areas of cold air out of the Arctic (and mild air into it - a positive feedback!) which look to send considerable portions of N. Asia into an early winter. 


So... we may well find ourselves being teased by cold pools to our east for even longer than usual this later autumn - winter .



Good point there James.


 


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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
02 October 2017 10:14:30

Now it looks set to be dry with High Pressure ridge or neither pressure in charge over the Weekend, with temperatures around average or slightly above normal for October.


The models are toying with the Idea of a disrupted Polar Vortex, with northern regions in our vicinity being able to toss Low Pressure under these blocking high's, as James has pointed out.


Both GFS and ECMWF and also the UKMO are still going along fine.


Low Pressure and Westerly winds followed by a NW to North Flow this week, and Monday right now has Low Pressure with westerly flow, backing NW later today and on Tuesday, but the next North Atlantic Low pushes this system to our NE over North Europe and North Sea, by Thursday.


The other Low on Wednesday merges together with this Low, and the chilly airmass cross the UK on Thursday and Friday, easing down by Friday, with temperatures tumbling down.


Not bad for the start of October. Good Norway and Sweden High versus Low Pressure battle by Friday to Sunday period later this week etc.


A SE Tracking Low off the NW Atlantic, tracking under the Greenland Blocking High in the following Week is showing up on GFS and ECMWF models, and the track and impact on UK and NW Europe is still in the uncertain (too early to be clear camp!).



 


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge.Β 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
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