GIBBY
12 August 2013 19:50:10

Good evening all. Here is the report from the 12 noon outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Monday August 12th 2013.


All models continue to show a similar pattern for the remainder of the week. The NW flow will weaken as a weak ridge crosses East tomorrow but an equally weak warm front will edge East over Central parts tomorrow. On Wednesday another warm front introduces warm and humid air across the UK with some very warm sunshine developing in the SE over Thursday into Friday. the warm fronts may bring a little rain to Central Britain tomorrow and more generally on Wednesday. Then as the humid air takes hold some thundery showers could develop ahead of a cold front crossing SE across the UK on Friday with a brisk Westerly flow following for the weekend with wind and rain advancing from the West as a deep Low develops to the NW of Britain.


GFS then builds High pressure North across the UK early next week with fine, sunny and very warm weather developing over most areas from Tuesday. The weather becomes hot later as the winds turn Southerly with an increasing risk of thundery showers over Southern Britain late in the run.


The GFS Ensembles show the operational was a wild warm outlier in it's second half bucking the trend of the majority of members who keep things rather cooler and closer to what would be normal for mid August. Rainfall events are quite rare with very little overall in the South and decreasing amounts too over the North.


The Jet Stream continues to flow across the Atlantic and the UK for some considerable time before it is shown to move North and become diffuse and light in strength later.


UKMO shows a showery Westerly flow across the UK on Sunday with a Low pressure moving East to the North. The heaviest showers will be in the West through the morning and the East later as pressure rises in the West late in the day. Temperatures will be rather cool , especially in exposure to the fresh West wind.


GEM tonight shows a cool and breezy weekend with heavy showers. then through the early days of next week High pressure builds up from the South with increasingly warm and sunny weather extending to most areas by midweek. Towards the end of the week it becomes hot in the South and East with only a little cloud and rain in the far NW.


NAVGEM shows High pressure slowly building across Southern Britain early next week but looks like struggling to extend far enough to reach Northern areas where cloud and a Westerly breeze could still bring some occasional rain while the South becomes dry and bright and warmer.


ECM tonight also shows High pressure building across Britain early next week. The centre holds to the SW of the UK keeping the warmest weather over the continent and keeping the UK under broken cloud and sunny spells and light winds and mostly dry weather.


In Summary there is still some strong signals from different outputs of High pressure building up from the SW early next week following a blustery and showery weekend when temperatures are held at normal values or just below. There are though some opposing signals that High pressure might not be quite so keen on building right across the UK which would keep warmer conditions at bay. However, whatever happens it is unlikely there is going to be any significant rain once we pass the Low pressure blip at the weekend.


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Rob K
12 August 2013 20:50:25
Is the ECM chart correct? It is utterly different from UKM or GFS

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1201.gif 

My daughter's birthday is on Saturday and we are hoping to have an outdoor party. ECM looks OK but other charts are dire.
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Stormchaser
12 August 2013 21:00:44
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1201.gif  My daughter's birthday is on Saturday and we are hoping to have an outdoor party. ECM looks OK but other charts are dire.


Looks like an odd case of cached chart to me.


http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/ecmimages/20130812/12/ecmt850.120.png


That's the real deal right there.



Model output continues to show some kind of high pressure after next weekend, but it's extent and location remains very uncertain.


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RavenCraven
12 August 2013 23:22:39

Originally Posted by: Steve Murr 


The 12z ECM shows some particularly low heights canada & greenland for this time of the year, with the jet alligning NW SE & sometimes W E along the atlantic, where as the GFS is hoping to reallign the flow SW NE-


I did put the summer is over flag up the other day, maybe a bit premature for some, & of course that doesnt preclude a chance of some hot sunny weather, however it will interesting to see what actually happens in the next 4-6 weeks as the lights begin to go out on another summer....


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Certainly premature in that is hasn't ended and doesn't look like ending for quite some time. Lets hope the current dry weather continues into the winter months, along with some nice mild temperatures. 

bledur
13 August 2013 05:00:18

The 12z ECM shows some particularly low heights canada & greenland for this time of the year, with the jet alligning NW SE & sometimes W E along the atlantic, where as the GFS is hoping to reallign the flow SW NE-


I did put the summer is over flag up the other day, maybe a bit premature for some, & of course that doesnt preclude a chance of some hot sunny weather, however it will interesting to see what actually happens in the next 4-6 weeks as the lights begin to go out on another summer....


ConfusedConfused yes autumn follows summer. the rest of august is looking fair at worst and although sept is forecasted by some to be more unsettled than average that would be no surprise as it has been pretty dry in general since may.

White Meadows
13 August 2013 05:27:37
Gfs 0z op has gone on a heat fest later next week. An outlier at this stage but will it return with support on subsequent runs?
Steam Fog
13 August 2013 06:10:27
Originally Posted by: White Meadows 

Gfs 0z op has gone on a heat fest later next week. An outlier at this stage but will it return with support on subsequent runs?



It's been quite a persistent outlier over the last few runs and also has support from the control run. So a warmer spell of some sort looks increasingly likely.
Scandy 1050 MB
13 August 2013 06:56:34

Originally Posted by: Steam Fog 

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 

Gfs 0z op has gone on a heat fest later next week. An outlier at this stage but will it return with support on subsequent runs?



It's been quite a persistent outlier over the last few runs and also has support from the control run. So a warmer spell of some sort looks increasingly likely.


Well ECM has joined the party this morning and dropped the idea of another LP preventing HP ridging in - GFS still on its heat run, if you like plumes this one is for you:


 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=240&mode=0


 


Looks potentially the best August bank holiday since 1991 going on today's output and potentially two weeks of warm weather once the cool weekend moves through. ECM though still seems a bit reluctant to bring the HP in even at +216 hours in comparison to GFS:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=216&mode=1&map=0&archive=0


 


But the important thing is if you like warmth it's your morning as ECM has finally moved towards what GEM and GFS have been showing the last few runs.

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13 August 2013 07:22:12
Not convinced by ECM this morning simply because its projection for this coming weekend is completely different to every other model. ECM has it fine and warm for southern areas and increasingly elsewhere under high pressure, whilst all the other models have a low over northern Britain with its associated rain.

Edit: hang on, that's wrong. For some reason wetternzzalleezzetrenzzallleeztrllezzttrr is showing me the ECM run from yesterday lunchtime 😕
GIBBY
13 August 2013 07:33:59

Good morning. Here is my take on the midnight outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Tuesday August 13th 2013.


All models show a weak warm front edging across the UK from the West under the axis of a weak ridge of high pressure. A lot of cloud and a little rain for Central areas is expected today. Through tomorrow and thursday warm and moist SW winds follow warm fronts away NE with further disturbances in the flow generating the risk of some heavy and sharp showers over England and Wales on Thursday. Friday sees a cold front cross East clearing away the warm humid air and replacing it with cooler and fresher conditions with sunny spells. Saturday sees wind and rain move in from the West in association with troughs attached to a deep Low crossing East to the north of the UK.


GFS then shows much warmer weather developing next week as High pressure builds from the South with some arm and sunny weather pushing North through England and Wales by midweek lasting into the weekend before a thundery trough brings the risk of a storm at the weekend in the SE. This risk recedes again towards the end of the run as High pressure reasserts itself across the UK with thundery Lows over France threatening the South at times in very warm conditions for all.


The GFS Ensembles continue to show the operational under warm outlier status though it is not without some support with a strong sign of at least a temporary warm snap next week. Rainfall amounts continue to be scheduled as low or non existent in parts of the South while the North too sees some drier and warmer interludes too at times.


The Jet Stream continues to blow across the Atlantic and the UK from now until after the weekend when it is shown to become more diffuse but shifted towards the North of the UK as the expected High pressure builds across the UK next week.


UKMO today closes it's run with Low pressure to the North. The UK lies under a broad westerly flow with sunshine and shower while a bubble of high pressure is shifting slowly NE towards Southern Britain within the 24 hours that follow the Day 6 chart.


GEM builds High pressure in too early next week but due to some powerful depressions to the North is restricted to building across Southern Britain only with fine and warm weather developing here while the North lies too close to the aforementioned Lows to the North maintaining cloud, windy and at times damp weather in cooler temperatures.


NAVGEM nicely develops High pressure up into Southern Britain early next week with fine and settled weather developing for all by midweek with the North seeing some of this too should it evolve.


ECM today shows High pressure building strongly across the UK next week with the centre over the top of the UK by soon after midweek. Increasingly warm and sunny weather would extend to all areas with just some sea breezes and coastal mist to cool things down a bit. The situation looks like it could last quite a while should it evolve as shown.


In Summary today there is sound support for a period of good Summer weather to return to the UK through the course of next week as pressure builds strongly behind the anticipated depression at the weekend. Only GEM this morning is a little more reluctant to pull High pressure up as far as the other output keeping the North more changeable but despite the GFS Ensembles not quite at full steam ahead status yet I feel that there is now a more than 50% chance that Summer proper may return to at least most of the UK from early next week perhaps lasting for the rest of August.


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Whiteout
13 August 2013 08:41:03

Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


Good morning. Here is my take on the midnight outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Tuesday August 13th 2013.


All models show a weak warm front edging across the UK from the West under the axis of a weak ridge of high pressure. A lot of cloud and a little rain for Central areas is expected today. Through tomorrow and thursday warm and moist SW winds follow warm fronts away NE with further disturbances in the flow generating the risk of some heavy and sharp showers over England and Wales on Thursday. Friday sees a cold front cross East clearing away the warm humid air and replacing it with cooler and fresher conditions with sunny spells. Saturday sees wind and rain move in from the West in association with troughs attached to a deep Low crossing East to the north of the UK.


GFS then shows much warmer weather developing next week as High pressure builds from the South with some arm and sunny weather pushing North through England and Wales by midweek lasting into the weekend before a thundery trough brings the risk of a storm at the weekend in the SE. This risk recedes again towards the end of the run as High pressure reasserts itself across the UK with thundery Lows over France threatening the South at times in very warm conditions for all.


The GFS Ensembles continue to show the operational under warm outlier status though it is not without some support with a strong sign of at least a temporary warm snap next week. Rainfall amounts continue to be scheduled as low or non existent in parts of the South while the North too sees some drier and warmer interludes too at times.


The Jet Stream continues to blow across the Atlantic and the UK from now until after the weekend when it is shown to become more diffuse but shifted towards the North of the UK as the expected High pressure builds across the UK next week.


UKMO today closes it's run with Low pressure to the North. The UK lies under a broad westerly flow with sunshine and shower while a bubble of high pressure is shifting slowly NE towards Southern Britain within the 24 hours that follow the Day 6 chart.


GEM builds High pressure in too early next week but due to some powerful depressions to the North is restricted to building across Southern Britain only with fine and warm weather developing here while the North lies too close to the aforementioned Lows to the North maintaining cloud, windy and at times damp weather in cooler temperatures.


NAVGEM nicely develops High pressure up into Southern Britain early next week with fine and settled weather developing for all by midweek with the North seeing some of this too should it evolve.


ECM today shows High pressure building strongly across the UK next week with the centre over the top of the UK by soon after midweek. Increasingly warm and sunny weather would extend to all areas with just some sea breezes and coastal mist to cool things down a bit. The situation looks like it could last quite a while should it evolve as shown.


In Summary today there is sound support for a period of good Summer weather to return to the UK through the course of next week as pressure builds strongly behind the anticipated depression at the weekend. Only GEM this morning is a little more reluctant to pull High pressure up as far as the other output keeping the North more changeable but despite the GFS Ensembles not quite at full steam ahead status yet I feel that there is now a more than 50% chance that Summer proper may return to at least most of the UK from early next week perhaps lasting for the rest of August.



Thanks Gibby, yes looking promising, nice ECM today


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JOHN NI
13 August 2013 08:56:23
ok - the much maligned EC 32 Day broadscale flow forecast is showing strong signal for high pressure dominated period - starting next week in the south and becoming country wide for week commencing 26th August. High drifts northwards into the first week of September but still dominating the north at least. If this is a correct signal for the broadscale - it would imply the chance of some fine and very warm late summer weather. Will be an interesting test of the EC 32 day - given the mistrust that some have for it. Lets see what happens...:-)
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RavenCraven
13 August 2013 08:59:14

Originally Posted by: JOHN NI 

ok - the much maligned EC 32 Day broadscale flow forecast is showing strong signal for high pressure dominated period - starting next week in the south and becoming country wide for week commencing 26th August. High drifts northwards into the first week of September but still dominating the north at least. If this is a correct signal for the broadscale - it would imply the chance of some fine and very warm late summer weather. Will be an interesting test of the EC 32 day - given the mistrust that some have for it. Lets see what happens...:-)


Bad news as that has been a terrible model forecast for most of this year.  Lets hope its right for once.

nsrobins
13 August 2013 09:10:18

Strong signals indeed for a return of high pressure nationwide next week.
I'm quite liking the +20 degree 850 plume into the SE weekend after next.


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Charmhills
13 August 2013 09:15:48

Originally Posted by: JOHN NI 

ok - the much maligned EC 32 Day broadscale flow forecast is showing strong signal for high pressure dominated period - starting next week in the south and becoming country wide for week commencing 26th August. High drifts northwards into the first week of September but still dominating the north at least. If this is a correct signal for the broadscale - it would imply the chance of some fine and very warm late summer weather. Will be an interesting test of the EC 32 day - given the mistrust that some have for it. Lets see what happens...:-)


That will be the CFS 2 out of the window than for a cool, wet September!


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Duane.
13 August 2013 09:24:35

The CFS was showing a warmer, more settled spell for the latter part of August back in July.

Ally Pally Snowman
13 August 2013 09:38:33

High pressure set to dominate from the 20th if we can get the High in the right place the end of August could be truly scorchio.


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1681.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1921.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2161.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.html


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Hungry Tiger
13 August 2013 09:39:35

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


High pressure set to dominate from the 20th if we can get the High in the right place the end of August could be truly scorchio.


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1681.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1921.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2161.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.html



Looks pretty OK to me.


Almost looks like a repeat of July.


 


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Charmhills
13 August 2013 09:54:27

Originally Posted by: ManUtdMatt1986 


The CFS was showing a warmer, more settled spell for the latter part of August back in July.



Am talking about September not late August.


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Gusty
13 August 2013 11:17:52

Summer 2013 will be remembered extremely fondly should todays output to another settled and very warm period of weather verify.


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