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DEW
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29 October 2024 17:02:35
Mount Fuji remains snowless for longer than ever before

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2dp1l8wklo 


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DEW
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30 October 2024 07:14:26
https://news.sky.com/story/several-bodies-found-as-flash-floods-sweep-cars-through-streets-in-spain-13244275 


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Ulric
30 October 2024 08:03:26
The situation in Valencia is extraordinary. 343 mm of rain was recorded in just 4 hours yesterday, between 4:30 PM and 8:30 PM.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93qlpp5gxvo 


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Ally Pally Snowman
30 October 2024 08:53:53
51 dead now is Spanish floods. Significant event.
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The Beast from the East
30 October 2024 09:30:23

51 dead now is Spanish floods. Significant event.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

If this was America, there would be wall to wall media coverage. 

Is there a radar animation available of what happened?


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Ally Pally Snowman
30 October 2024 10:08:52

If this was America, there would be wall to wall media coverage. 

Is there a radar animation available of what happened?

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Exactly,  it is now though the top story on the BBC website, as it should be. Apparently some areas had 50cm of rain in 8hrs. Crazy!


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Russwirral
30 October 2024 10:38:47
Aye, in Chiva they had 490mm in 8 hrs

Here is the closest i could find: https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/ICHIVA40/graph/2024-10-29/2024-10-29/daily

Alot of interest in hurricanes, this i would say surpasses that kind of impact for deluge specifically... 8hrs!


Hungry Tiger
30 October 2024 11:18:27

Aye, in Chiva they had 490mm in 8 hrs

Here is the closest i could find: https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/ICHIVA40/graph/2024-10-29/2024-10-29/daily

Alot of interest in hurricanes, this i would say surpasses that kind of impact for deluge specifically... 8hrs!

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 

Incredible. I wondered what the totals were. There's some Incredible photos of these floods.  😞 


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Hungry Tiger
30 October 2024 12:23:12
Just seen some more stats. Valencia was getting the rain at a rate of 160mm an hour which equates to 1 inch every 10 minutes. That is some downpour.  No wonder the damage and destruction is the way it is.   😞 
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Hungry Tiger
30 October 2024 12:41:54
Anyone got anymore stats. These rainfall figures I've already seen are quite amazing and I think even exceed the ones in Queensland the other year when they had a tropical depression pass through. Valencias 160mm an hour is incredible and takes some beating.    🙂 
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four
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30 October 2024 19:01:38
This won't be mentioned of course.

What looks like the same bridge which collapsed completely covered.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957_Valencia_flood 


Jiries
30 October 2024 21:45:53
While Spain had lot of record rainfall on oter end of the Med, Nicosia, Cyprus sadly had a rainless month after September was wetter.
DEW
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30 October 2024 22:06:45

This won't be mentioned of course.

What looks like the same bridge which collapsed completely covered.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957_Valencia_flood 

Originally Posted by: four 

Nearer to home, the 1952 Lynmouth flood disaster could be considered comparable

https://visitlyntonandlynmouth.com/history-heritage/the-1952-lynmouth-flood-disaster/ 


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picturesareme
31 October 2024 01:37:11

Anyone got anymore stats. These rainfall figures I've already seen are quite amazing and I think even exceed the ones in Queensland the other year when they had a tropical depression pass through. Valencias 160mm an hour is incredible and takes some beating.    🙂 

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 

Genoa the other week saw a storm dump 120mm in one hour with rain rates of a staggering 960mm/h.

A clip from said storm for those with access to Instagram.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBltdj1A1ub/?igsh=YzQxajRpM2MwaTV6 

Gandalf The White
31 October 2024 01:37:45

This won't be mentioned of course.

What looks like the same bridge which collapsed completely covered.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957_Valencia_flood 

Originally Posted by: four 

You see no difference between it being completely covered and destroyed and swept away?

Your desperation to pretend climate change isn’t having any effect is leading you to make some truly daft comments.

Maybe have a think about the difference between water levels rising and waters raging and having the force to destroy a bridge.


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four
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31 October 2024 18:18:14

You see no difference between it being completely covered and destroyed and swept away?

Your desperation to pretend climate change isn’t having any effect is leading you to make some truly daft comments.

Maybe have a think about the difference between water levels rising and waters raging and having the force to destroy a bridge.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

It was swept away (on webcam) well before it was covered.

Here's another page documenting the1957 flood which cannot be mentioned in mainstream media as the permissible narrative has been decreed.

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https://carolineangus.com/2013/10/14/la-riua-october-14-1957-the-flood-that-changed-valencia-forever/ 

There was 20" of rain over 2 days, there was 14" in the recent event though it hasn't stopped yet.

The 1957 storm was far worse so the leaping to blame it on climate change is as usual agenda ridden tosh.


Devonian
31 October 2024 18:26:19

It was swept away (on webcam) well before it was covered.

Here's another page documenting the1957 flood which cannot be mentioned in mainstream media as the permissible narrative has been decreed.

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https://carolineangus.com/2013/10/14/la-riua-october-14-1957-the-flood-that-changed-valencia-forever/ 

There was 20" of rain over 2 days, there was 14" in the recent event though it hasn't stopped yet.

The 1957 storm was far worse so the leaping to blame it on climate change is as usual agenda ridden tosh.

Originally Posted by: four 

So you still don't accept the world is warming at all due to human activty?

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31 October 2024 19:03:41
You don't accept every weather event is used as propaganda for warming doom?

Warming can be at least equally a good thing as a bad thing and precious little evidence that 0.5C or whatever it is currently being adjusted to had any input to this storm.

I suppose its something that you haven't managed to dig up some dirt on the web page from 2013 as somehow invented by a denier or whatever you are labelling anyone with common sense these days.

In your astonishing quest to politicise the weather as a means to implement total state control.


Hungry Tiger
31 October 2024 19:43:31

Genoa the other week saw a storm dump 120mm in one hour with rain rates of a staggering 960mm/h.

A clip from said storm for those with access to Instagram.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBltdj1A1ub/?igsh=YzQxajRpM2MwaTV6 

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 

Dear Lord. I'll do some sums with that.   🙂 


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Hungry Tiger
31 October 2024 19:49:02

Genoa the other week saw a storm dump 120mm in one hour with rain rates of a staggering 960mm/h.

A clip from said storm for those with access to Instagram.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBltdj1A1ub/?igsh=YzQxajRpM2MwaTV6 

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 

That works out at just over 3 inches every 5 minutes. Very close to a world record. The world record is 1 inch in 90 seconds. That was in either Louisiana or Alabama in summer in a sub tropical thunderstorm.    🙂 


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Devonian
31 October 2024 19:54:15

You don't accept every weather event is used as propaganda for warming doom?

Warming can be at least equally a good thing as a bad thing and precious little evidence that 0.5C or whatever it is currently being adjusted to had any input to this storm.

I suppose its something that you haven't managed to dig up some dirt on the web page from 2013 as somehow invented by a denier or whatever you are labelling anyone with common sense these days.

In your astonishing quest to politicise the weather as a means to implement total state control.

Originally Posted by: four 

Actually I think the article you posted is interesting. Things like this have happened before - indeed I've read that reported. I've also read that it's thought AGW might add 10% to rainfalls. The atmosphere can hold 10% more WV now - it's known physics.

I'm interested in the data. I've never thought there's a huge global conspiracy being carried about by those seen by most people as rather strange men (like you and me) and women who like watching the weather, reading thermometers and like recording how each day, month year pans out.

I KNOW the climate has warmed over my lifetime, by a noticeable amount. We live in the countryside, we can see the changes. YOU know that too.

Gandalf The White
31 October 2024 21:27:51

You don't accept every weather event is used as propaganda for warming doom?

Warming can be at least equally a good thing as a bad thing and precious little evidence that 0.5C or whatever it is currently being adjusted to had any input to this storm.

I suppose its something that you haven't managed to dig up some dirt on the web page from 2013 as somehow invented by a denier or whatever you are labelling anyone with common sense these days.

In your astonishing quest to politicise the weather as a means to implement total state control.

Originally Posted by: four 

Let’s start with the facts, shall we?  Warming is now at close to 1.5c above pre-industrial levels, not 0.5c.  That’s the upper limit agreed at the Paris meeting and it’s almost gone.

Of course you can’t say every exceptional weather event is the result of climate change and nobody does say that.  What they say is that the event has been made more likely and/or worse by climate change, and the basic science supports that.

Then, it’s important to look at the global pattern.  We’ve had an exceptional hurricane devastate parts of the US, we’ve had this extraordinary storm in Spain, and now we’ve had a massive super typhoon hitting Taiwan a month beyond the normal window for such storms.

I know how you operate, since you have played the same tune for at least twenty years.  I remember you citing stories of a sailing ship reaching the Arctic Circle in your attempts to deny that the the Arctic was warming.  Citing some historical record and trying to claim that it proves that the event is not abnormal is from the same tiresome playbook.

You have this odd notion that there’s some grand conspiracy at work, talking up an imaginary threat; you are simply misguided and wrong.


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picturesareme
01 November 2024 00:05:55

That works out at just over 3 inches every 5 minutes. Very close to a world record. The world record is 1 inch in 90 seconds. That was in either Louisiana or Alabama in summer in a sub tropical thunderstorm.    🙂 

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 

That's probably the absolute maximum rain rate and quite possibly (or probably) might have only lasted a few seconds - 16mm a minute. The mountain areas of Italy & France often see extreme rainfall totals from summer storm systems.

The dew points and heat that you can get in the Mediterranean region can rival those found in the southern states of America, and unlike Louisiana & Alabama some of the Mediterranean regions of Italy & Spain have very high mountainous terrain. 

DEW
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01 November 2024 07:30:28
The event seems to have been fairly local, if not very local. My neighbours have a villa less than 100 miles away and have been told there were thunderstorms and heavy rain there but nothing out of the usual for the time of year.  And I note that all the news reports are focusing on Valencia itself. 

Area most affected and maps of rainfall totals elsewhere on https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c87xdelgv1qo . Maximum rainfall at Chiva about 20 miles inland from Valencia.


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Devonian
01 November 2024 08:57:03

The event seems to have been fairly local, if not very local. My neighbours have a villa less than 100 miles away and have been told there were thunderstorms and heavy rain there but nothing out of the usual for the time of year.  And I note that all the news reports are focusing on Valencia itself. 

Area most affected and maps of rainfall totals elsewhere on https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c87xdelgv1qo . Maximum rainfall at Chiva about 20 miles inland from Valencia.

Originally Posted by: DEW 

Aren't all events local?

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