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CField
23 January 2024 06:25:03
CFS 18z run going for a cold mid late February...840hrs have another Northern France Benelux runner once again South Coast missing out by a whisker!!!
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ballamar
23 January 2024 07:36:51

CFS 18z run going for a cold mid late February...840hrs have another Northern France Benelux runner once again South Coast missing out by a whisker!!!

Originally Posted by: CField 

it’s a sign when the CFS gets dragged into the hope of how desperate things are! First week of February should give an indication if we can get a decent cold spell for the south at least

Whether Idle
23 January 2024 07:43:52
Agreed. Here in the core of winter and it’s a mild outlook at present. CFS postings are always the hallmark of desperation. 
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23 January 2024 08:24:54
Some movement in the WX temp charts this morning (in the wrong direction for coldies). Week 1 holds the freezing line at Eastern Baltic - Romania, but already with Spain becoming very mild and the ultracold area over Russia breaking up. Unlike yesterday, the freezing line retreats NE-wards in week 2 with milder weather spreading across N Europe all the way to the Black Sea - and the temp anomaly is already well above norm for everywhere west of the Urals (only Turkey excepted).

GFS Op - Storm Jocelyn passing quickly but violently past N Scotland  tonight (960mb - FAX) followed by a remarkably repetitive pattern of LPs passing near northern Scotland and ridges of HP spreading (briefly) up from the south, winds switching between W/NW under the influence of LP and W/SW under HP and mostly strong. To accentuate the positive, HP is forecast Thu 25th, Tue 30th, Sat 3rd, Thu 8th and LP filling the gaps. The depressions go on to an LP graveyard in N Russia where LP persists as it receives reinforcements from the Atlantic. Zonal with a vengeance.

ECM - similar to GFS but more emphasis on HP, the final chart (Fri 2nd) showing HP generally over Britain rather than just a ridge.

GEFS - temps mild in the S, often 5C above norm through to Wed 31st  (bar a short dip on the 26th) with quite good ens agreement; in the N more of an oscillation above and below norm. For the start of February the usual variation breaks out, with the value of the mean slowly dropping to norm in the middle of quite a wide envelope. Not a lot of rain in the S, and that intermittent; rather more but not excessive in the N but as usual the far NW is continually wet.


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idj20
23 January 2024 09:22:29
Seems to have that infamous "Bartlett high" of Winters 1988 and 1989 look about it. But if that can actually bring some pleasantly spring-like conditions in any brighter weather our way, then I can live with that. I was working on a south-facing beachside garden area for the council at the time and I remember how it often felt balmy-like in the middle of those two winters.  
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Saint Snow
23 January 2024 09:36:54

Seems to have that infamous "Bartlett high" of Winters 1988 and 1989 look about it. But if that can actually bring some pleasantly spring-like conditions in any brighter weather our way, then I can live with that. I was working on a south-facing beachside garden area for the council at the time and I remember how it often felt balmy-like in the middle of those two winters.  

Originally Posted by: idj20 

A reprieve from wet is always to be welcomed, but mild in the winter never feels good to me. I want to need a big coat and hat and gloves and go walking the dog in crisp cold.

 


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speckledjim
23 January 2024 09:46:42
Mild run of weather for the foreseeable and pleasantly dry too
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warrenb
23 January 2024 09:56:24

Mild run of weather for the foreseeable and pleasantly dry too

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 

To be honest, it sounds lovely


The Beast from the East
23 January 2024 10:12:11

Mild run of weather for the foreseeable and pleasantly dry too

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 

Is it too early for WIO post!

Looks very pleasant in the south as long as the high can steer those atlantic systems away

 


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Gusty
23 January 2024 11:01:53

Is it too early for WIO post!

Looks very pleasant in the south as long as the high can steer those atlantic systems away

 

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Too early for the north to say WIO but IMO its game over for the south - possibly forever now.

I've been deluding myself since 2014 believing that we will get a repeat of those days in the 80's, 90's, mid 00's and 09-13 and that it was just a blip...no more, its over.

Last week showed me how far AGW has progressed.

Of the 5 stages of grief I've now reached Stage 5...its all ok.

Back to the models I'll be happy with this. Temps possibly in the low teens would feel grand with light breezes and a little sunshine. Lengthening days too as life slowly starts to wake up from its 5 week dark autumn period.

 


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Ally Pally Snowman
23 January 2024 11:35:40

Too early for the north to say WIO but IMO its game over for the south - possibly forever now.

I've been deluding myself since 2014 believing that we will get a repeat of those days in the 80's, 90's, mid 00's and 09-13 and that it was just a blip...no more, its over.

Last week showed me how far AGW has progressed.

Of the 5 stages of grief I've now reached Stage 5...its all ok.

Back to the models I'll be happy with this. Temps possibly in the low teens would feel grand with light breezes and a little sunshine. Lengthening days too as life slowly starts to wake up from its 5 week dark autumn period.

 

Originally Posted by: Gusty 

Is this the first 'all winter's are over' post.

 


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Gusty
23 January 2024 11:43:57

Is this the first 'all winter's are over' post.

 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Yes... 😁😁😁.


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ozone_aurora
23 January 2024 11:47:07
I wonder if there'll be a chance of record breaking high temperatures instead this winter. Of course, this is unlikely, but, I would not be surprised at all if it did happen.
David M Porter
23 January 2024 11:47:18

Too early for the north to say WIO but IMO its game over for the south - possibly forever now.

I've been deluding myself since 2014 believing that we will get a repeat of those days in the 80's, 90's, mid 00's and 09-13 and that it was just a blip...no more, its over.

Last week showed me how far AGW has progressed.

Of the 5 stages of grief I've now reached Stage 5...its all ok.

Back to the models I'll be happy with this. Temps possibly in the low teens would feel grand with light breezes and a little sunshine. Lengthening days too as life slowly starts to wake up from its 5 week dark autumn period.

 

Originally Posted by: Gusty 

Some other parts of the world still seem to be able to get severe cold these days, even when we don't get it. Look at the north-east and east coast of the USA in recent days, for instance.

Back to the models, and at the moment the output rather reminds me of that back in mid-December in terms of how poor things look for coldies. At that time, just like now, it was hard to see where any change to a colder pattern would come from, but look at how the output changed in the days between Christmas and New Year. I'm not saying the same thing will happen again, but one should never completely rule anything in or out with the model output as we all know how fickle the models often are in FI.


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fairweather
23 January 2024 12:37:16

It's just drivel. It's appallingly written with grammatical errors. Yet the Met office thinks this is OK to be published on their website.  Its very weird. 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Yes - almost commacal (sic) 😂


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fairweather
23 January 2024 12:42:15

What illiterate bilge from the Office. Value added: zero. 

Originally Posted by: Downpour 

The new anti woke minister made them do it for balance 😁


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fairweather
23 January 2024 12:52:03

Yes, but not ‘exceptionally mild’ with high overnight minima, as was being suggested.  The maximum 2m temperatures shown on the mean are around 10c for the Home Counties, ie slightly mild, and on the chilly side overnight.

As you know better than most, the 850hPa values are not always a good indicator of conditions at the surface in the winter.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

it's not really because it's "winter" . More not in a static HP situation but they are generally in a more mobile one where there is a normal adiabatic lapse rate. I'm not seeing any inversion in those charts.


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23 January 2024 13:30:47
Some recent posts moved to thread on winter weather memories
There are cumbersome ways to kill a man. Simpler, direct and much more neat is to see that he is living somewhere in the middle of the twenty-first century, and leave him there. Edwin Brock, Five Ways to Kill a Man, updated to 21st C

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DEW
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23 January 2024 13:33:35

Some other parts of the world still seem to be able to get severe cold these days, even when we don't get it. Look at the north-east and east coast of the USA in recent days, for instance.

Back to the models, and at the moment the output rather reminds me of that back in mid-December in terms of how poor things look for coldies. At that time, just like now, it was hard to see where any change to a colder pattern would come from, but look at how the output changed in the days between Christmas and New Year. I'm not saying the same thing will happen again, but one should never completely rule anything in or out with the model output as we all know how fickle the models often are in FI.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

But see my comment in 'Unusual World Weather' on a rapid turnaround there, and a speculation on how the change might affect the jetstream.


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White Meadows
23 January 2024 14:33:54
Further diluting of cold hints & prospects in the Met office long range narrative. I wouldn’t be surprised if it gradually disappeared altogether soon and the ‘backloaded’ winter Cont. Planners forecast blows up in their face like a hot air balloon. 
Brian Gaze
23 January 2024 14:37:48

Further diluting of cold hints & prospects in the Met office long range narrative. I wouldn’t be surprised if it gradually disappeared altogether soon and the ‘backloaded’ winter Cont. Planners forecast blows up in their face like a hot air balloon. 

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 

The updates I can see are dated 22/01.


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23 January 2024 16:09:16
Wednesday 7 Feb - Wednesday 21 Feb

Through the middle of February, changeable conditions are most likely with the wettest and windiest conditions in the north and northwest. It is likely to be drier further southeast, although some wet and windy spells are still possible here. Later in the month there is an increasing likelihood of winds from the north or east, which will increase the chance of some colder spells and perhaps snow.

Updated: 15:00 (UTC) on Tue 23 Jan 2024

And its back on again !🤣

 


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Chunky Pea
23 January 2024 16:42:24

Wednesday 7 Feb - Wednesday 21 Feb

Through the middle of February, changeable conditions are most likely with the wettest and windiest conditions in the north and northwest. It is likely to be drier further southeast, although some wet and windy spells are still possible here. Later in the month there is an increasing likelihood of winds from the north or east, which will increase the chance of some colder spells and perhaps snow.

Updated: 15:00 (UTC) on Tue 23 Jan 2024

And its back on again !🤣

 

Originally Posted by: The Dub Version 

Met Eireann have that in their long range outlook as well.

While mean temperatures during FMA are signaled to be slightly above average overall, there is a high chance of cold outbreaks from the north and northeast, particularly in February and early March, leading to below average temperatures at times.

 


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warrenb
23 January 2024 16:50:38
GFS and GEM both dry and mild down here, GEM exceptionally mild for a short period.

Funnily at 330 of GFS there isn't an isobar between southern England and Sudan in Africa.

The weather is set for the next 2 weeks as far as GFS is concerned.

North : sometimes windy and quite wet, average to mild

South: Dry and mild.

Here ends my 14 day outlook.


Rob K
23 January 2024 17:25:09
GFS 36hr chart, 384hr chart, it's like a spot the difference competition.

Utter yawnfest.


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