Retron
01 February 2023 16:38:18
Originally Posted by: Snow Hoper 

In some cases, lubešŸ˜³

I'll give GFS it's due, it's like a dog with a boner at the moment.


Errm, yeah! šŸ¤£

I know what you mean, though, it is doggedly sticking with a colder outcome, even if it's dialled back somewhat in the 12z. Still nothing more than a raised eyebrow at this stage though, as the other models still aren't interested...
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Quantum
01 February 2023 16:38:45
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Differences in the Lobe strength apparant as early as T+60h.
Look at how high the uncertainty is compared to everywhere else on the planet.
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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
01 February 2023 16:42:50
P21 is hillarious in the opposite way.
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The lobe barely forms at all in this one and as a result cold by 120h!
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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
idj20
01 February 2023 16:44:48
Even if the fabled deep cold & widespread snow doesnā€™t materialise over the UK, anything to keep the angry Atlantic at arms length for as long as possible will do me fine and thatā€™s why the GFS 12z run still pleases me, especially at this time of the year.
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Quantum
01 February 2023 16:50:31
Found an even better way to show it.

Strong lobe scenario (bad)
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Weak lobe scenario (good)

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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Brian Gaze
01 February 2023 16:53:19
UK Met Global 12z still not interested.Ā 

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Ally Pally Snowman
01 February 2023 16:54:57
Hmmmm GEFS 12z nowhere near as good .Ā 
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ballamar
01 February 2023 17:18:51
Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Hmmmm GEFS 12z nowhere near as good .Ā 



the 6z spoiled us - will be charts for the memory
Hippydave
01 February 2023 17:18:53
Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

UK Met Global 12z still not interested.Ā 

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It's not but equally it's not as flat as it has been, with the end result being a more HP dominated run. I doubt it'll move far enough to get to the GFS style solution but it's moved a little way.

I suspect the GFS op will move more in line with the UKM/ECM*/GEM tomorrow and move HP far enough south that the colder uppers miss us. Seems unlikely it'll keep going off on a cold one for much longer given it's ens and all the other models.
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ballamar
01 February 2023 17:24:34
No doubt ECM will come up with a Stella run this evening just to confuse the situationĀ 
nsrobins
01 February 2023 17:28:18
Originally Posted by: ballamar 

No doubt ECM will come up with a Stella run this evening just to confuse the situationĀ 


Who knows, but it looks like GFS has given its head a wobble after the Carlsberg 06Z run. All part of the entertainment.
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Gusty
01 February 2023 17:28:35
Originally Posted by: ballamar 

No doubt ECM will come up with a Stella run this evening just to confuse the situationĀ 



That you can guarantee !

Likely outcome is we remain high pressure dominated with a cold easterly waft across the south next week.Ā 
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The Beast from the East
01 February 2023 17:51:03
Originally Posted by: Retron 

Errm, yeah! šŸ¤£

I know what you mean, though, it is doggedly sticking with a colder outcome, even if it's dialled back somewhat in the 12z. Still nothing more than a raised eyebrow at this stage though, as the other models still aren't interested...


Almost a re run of what happened in mid December
GFS only model which showed a greenland block and a possible white xmas period. Persisted for days, only to flip into line with other models

Just because we get most data 4 times a day from this model, it gets too much attentionĀ 
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Jiries
01 February 2023 18:19:02
Originally Posted by: Gusty 

That you can guarantee !

Likely outcome is we remain high pressure dominated with a cold easterly waft across the south next week.Ā 


Look like drier air and sunny one as the way it sit thst normally give is low 30s in summer. Regardless the surface temps the heating costs will be lower due to more stronger FebĀ  solar input for indoors to warm up so heating on 1 or 2 hrs in evening only.Ā Ā 
Taylor1740
01 February 2023 18:51:39
Looks like game over already for the Easterly unfortunately. A shame but looks like another Winter will pass us by without a proper Easterly.
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Ally Pally Snowman
01 February 2023 18:53:26
ECM says no. Looks like GFS needs a reboot.
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nsrobins
01 February 2023 19:08:00
Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

ECM says no. Looks like GFS needs a reboot.
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No to who? The corresponding 12Z EC chart from yesterday or the other NWP from today. IMO it has moved a decent way towards the easterly solution and at 240 it is attempting a proper push with heights to the NE - a discernible change from the 12Z chart yesterday.
No forecast from me ~ with the current flux that is next to impossible.Ā 
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DPower
01 February 2023 19:15:03
The euro's backtracking slightly towards the gfs in the 72 - 120 time frame. Could not say which way this will go but would not be at all surprised to see a blended solution with the euro's leaning more towards the gfs than the other way round.
What a cracking 06z run though eh. Shame could not get excited by it due to what the Euro's were showing.
Snow Hoper
01 February 2023 19:48:55
Originally Posted by: Quantum 

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Differences in the Lobe strength apparant as early as T+60h.
Look at how high the uncertainty is compared to everywhere else on the planet.
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If you watch Aiden McGivern on the Meto 10 day trend, he seems to suggest that it's a low in the Med that's the driving force for the cold, with its placement being the key.

https://fb.watch/iqwCio_JcS/ 
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Rob K
01 February 2023 20:16:51
Originally Posted by: Taylor1740 

Looks like game over already for the Easterly unfortunately. A shame but looks like another Winter will pass us by without a proper Easterly.


Even if this one fails (as is likely) there is still plenty of winter left.
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