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doctormog
21 October 2018 12:00:39

Yes that 06z GFS op run does offer some easterlyness. Overall the ensemble suite continues the theme from earlier runs with next weekend being chilly and then a return to more average conditions for the time of the year. Before that it looks like the mostly above average temperatures will continue for a few days.

The ensemble suite of the 06z shows the options very nicely, the first chart is for Aberdeen the latter one for London:

http://www.meteociel.com/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?ext=1&lat=57.2&lon=-2.3 

http://www.meteociel.com/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?ext=1&lat=51.5085&lon=-0.12574&ville=Londres 


Saint Snow
21 October 2018 12:34:48

Well it looks like the season of proper ‘weather’ is about to get underway in decent style next weekend.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

 

Liverpool gets 12 snow rows for next Saturday, Newcastle 16 (plus 11 the following day)

 

 


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Maunder Minimum
21 October 2018 19:06:58

Check out the ECM 12Z - better than GFS if you want an early start to winter:

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php

 


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Solar Cycles
21 October 2018 19:33:46

I know these charts look great but we really need to see these sort of patterns persist as we head into next month. What we don’t want is the PV forming over its favourite locale as I feel we could well miss the boat with us being in a transitional stage of the QBO, once it enters its West based phase its game over more or less going of previous analogues if it’s a cold blocked pattern you wish to see.

fairweather
21 October 2018 21:17:19

A fairly typical early cold snap for the North next weekend by the looks of it. The usual "if only it were January" cliche caveats apply of course

Still after the glorious Autumn so far it will be of interest as a new pattern comes in.

 


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CreweCold
21 October 2018 21:48:12

I know these charts look great but we really need to see these sort of patterns persist as we head into next month. What we don’t want is the PV forming over its favourite locale as I feel we could well miss the boat with us being in a transitional stage of the QBO, once it enters its West based phase its game over more or less going of previous analogues if it’s a cold blocked pattern you wish to see.

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 

It's almost as if you took a look at my post over on the other forum :P

Your thoughts pretty much echo mine 100%

 


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doctormog
21 October 2018 21:53:43
Well it’s not January, it’s autumn so a nice little brief northerly shot will provide some crisp days, a bit convection and hill snow in the north so all is good.

Before then things seem rather benign with anticyclonic conditions prevailing and some pleasant mostly mild albeit a bit nondescript weather for many.


Chunky Pea
21 October 2018 22:02:03

A fairly typical early cold snap for the North next weekend by the looks of it. The usual "if only it were January" cliche caveats apply of course

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

Pretty much my view. It is the type of northerly I'd not be getting excited about even if it were January.

 


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East Galway, Ireland.

doctormog
21 October 2018 22:07:03

 

Pretty much my view. It is the type of northerly I'd not be getting excited about even if it were January.

 

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

Neither would I in either of your locations.  

Interestingly the Radio 4 news bulletin at 11pm even mentioned the risk of sleet or snow up here by the end of the coming week. I’m not sure it’s newsworthy. 

Either way the Arctic northerly is still shown on the 18z GFS http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU18_117_1.png

It must be near winter though to be getting the posts about where a moderately cold northerly is not intetesting in the areas it doesn’t really affect 


Chunky Pea
21 October 2018 22:10:55

 

Neither would I in either of your locations.  

Interestingly the Radio 4 news bulletin at 11pm even mentioned the risk of sleet or snow up here by the end of the coming week. I’m not sure it’s newsworthy. 

Either way the Arctic northerly is still shown on the 18z GFS http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU18_117_1.png

 

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

We can do very well from northerlies under the right conditions in winter. I know my northerlies. 


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

Solar Cycles
21 October 2018 22:11:20

 

It's almost as if you took a look at my post over on the other forum :P

Your thoughts pretty much echo mine 100%

 

Originally Posted by: CreweCold 

I posted something on these lines a while  back with regards to the QBO and it’s impacts for early in the season. It’s good seeing these sort of charts at this time of year and more so when compared to,the last several years but in isolation they mean diddly squat if by the start of winter we’re under the influence of a raging PV.

 

doctormog
21 October 2018 22:15:44

 

We can do very well from northerlies under the right conditions in winter. I know my northerlies. 

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

You can do, but Essex is somewhat less prone and really not in the firing line at this stage . Up here we can do well in most decent northerlies. This one does not quite have what it takes for your more temperate location in October. It does look chilly though generally. As Neil summarises nicely it is interesting weather (rather than extreme) http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU18_141_1.png


Chunky Pea
21 October 2018 22:31:07

 

You can do, but Essex is somewhat less prone and really not in the firing line at this stage . Up here we can do well in most decent northerlies. This one does not quite have what it takes for your more temperate location in October. It does look chilly though generally. As Neil summarises nicely it is interesting weather (rather than extreme) http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU18_141_1.png

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

Tonight's ECM regarding snowfall potential to day 10:

Good for your location if you like that sort of thing. However, for those of us who have more 'extreme' tastes (i.e, probably just me ) it is just a continuation of the current very boring spell with an added northerly twist. 


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

Joe Bloggs
22 October 2018 07:10:14

Interesting easterly flow modelled in the medium range this morning.

This one has caught me by surprise slightly.

 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPEU00_192_1.png

some support from GFS too. 

Maunder Minimum
22 October 2018 07:41:05

Interesting easterly flow modelled in the medium range this morning.

This one has caught me by surprise slightly.

 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPEU00_192_1.png

some support from GFS too. 

Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 

For some reason, the Polar Vortex has not propagated down the troposphere yet, hence its disorganised state allowing blocking at high latitudes.

Why that should be the case this year and whether it will change are key questions for our winter going forward. According to some, the global teleconnections (QBO in westerly phase, growing El Nino etc) should cause the PV to power up in its usual location, meaning a mild wet winter in western Europe.


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Solar Cycles
22 October 2018 07:50:59

 

For some reason, the Polar Vortex has not propagated down the troposphere yet, hence its disorganised state allowing blocking at high latitudes.

Why that should be the case this year and whether it will change are key questions for our winter going forward. According to some, the global teleconnections (QBO in westerly phase, growing El Nino etc) should cause the PV to power up in its usual location, meaning a mild wet winter in western Europe.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

We need to see this disconnect carrying on going forward, there’s been hints in the outer reaches of FI of the PV getting its act together in the latter stages. We really need to see this disconnect between the Trop and Strat as we head into the winter, at the moment we’ve got all the teleconnections playing ball so long may it continue before the QBO shifts into its westward phase and we see those zonal westerlies. 

ballamar
22 October 2018 10:28:22
tallyho_83
22 October 2018 10:38:48

Cold day next Saturday - chance of snow over Wales too and maybe a soft hail shower or sleety shower over Exmoor?


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Crepuscular Ray
22 October 2018 16:23:18
I'm in the Lakes at the weekend again 👍 You can't beat an arctic flow for sparkling views and frosty valleys in the Lakes.

2 weekends ago I was walking through 2 feet of water. This weekend we had 2 days of drizzle so I'm getting excited!


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Russwirral
22 October 2018 16:26:51

Heavy snow for London this Saturday

(dusts off the Emojis)

 

CAnt believe i typing this - its not even halloween yet?!!

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Russwirral
22 October 2018 16:28:47
Blimey, the charts are going for the cold to become stubborn over Scandi and begin to form a block , forcing fronts to stall and slide...#

Ok, no crazy cold, but enough for snow in places....

but....again....

Its not even Halloween yet.


Ally Pally Snowman
22 October 2018 17:00:50

Another GFS run that ends with a very disorganized Polar Vortex and some crazy blocking. We've seen this before in November and its lead to nothing but perhaps this year is different as we've basically been in a blocked pattern since February. 


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Ally Pally Snowman
22 October 2018 17:03:38

Heavy snow for London this Saturday

(dusts off the Emojis)

 

CAnt believe i typing this - its not even halloween yet?!!

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Originally Posted by: Russwirral 

 

Yes amazing run and not out of the question similar to 2008.

 


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Gavin P
22 October 2018 17:14:00

To me GFS 12z looks like it's trying to set up quite a prolonged cold spell (outside of a few interruptions) 


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