Hippydave
16 November 2018 18:36:31

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Thought I'd stick the ens up - Op a warm outlier, with a majority going with a continuation of the chilly to cold weather. Based purely on the GFS ens set the most likely outcome is for colder weather to win, in a mostly blocked scenario. There's a lower chance of less cold weather as shown by the scatter from circa 24-26th November and thereafter and a small chance of it turning milder than average. Down south at least there's not a strong signal for rain although it won't be universally dry.


If the stragglers start turning into a solid cluster then confidence in a milder solution will grow, but at the moment it's not the favoured outcome. 


Whether the ECM Op picks a colder or milder option in its FI run later on is not massively relevant - whether the Ens support the Op is more relevant and if the ens are split, what the clusters are like.


I find life a little more balanced if I look at the ens before the Op - less highs/lows that way


Should just mention I'm far from convinced we're going to get a decent cold spell out of this set up (I/e one with near ice days and snow) but it remains possible whilst the models support a set up that can bring decent cold to our shores


 


 


 


 


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White Meadows
16 November 2018 18:38:38

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

ECM still not interested in long-term cold

A few cold days then it eases away


good, I could do without cranking the heating up for too long.


broad scale signals suggest otherwise however:


http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/daily_ao_index/ao.sprd2.gif


AO an important factor as well as NAO when it comes to the bigger picture & what might affect us longer term. 

Ally Pally Snowman
16 November 2018 18:38:42

ECM looks very good at 168h for a NE attack lets see


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Hippydave
16 November 2018 18:44:31
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPEU12_168_1.png 


 


Indeed.


How it's possible to look at that ECM 168 chart and say it's not a set up that's promising for cold weather is a bit baffling. The NH view shows a split PV with blocking either side of the pole and a big cold pool over Russian and Eastern Europe. 


If the block stays put and/or reinvigorates (and up to T168 it's not exactly running away from the virtually non existent Atlantic) then it's a very promising set up indeed for longer term cold.


May not happen of course as it's FI territory but as you say interesting overall if you like colder weather


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Brian Gaze
16 November 2018 19:04:15

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