Brief sunny spell here John but really heavy shower again now (1715)

Yes, I didn't think that this nice sunshine would last for long and given the nature of showers in terms of their local variability, that rainfall total for Gogarbank in Edinburgh which I quoted for today over on the August Precipitation Watch thread might not end up being today's final total for that station in the end.

 

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Total crap day. Cloudy, cool rubbish. Every single day of the week just gone was better than this dross. Forecast was embarrassingly bad. Just no excuses whatsoever. Model output was more accurate suggesting far more cloud and a high to the west always results in this rank, cloudy mess.

Not since 24th June has a Saturday managed more than 6 hours sun. That is beyond a joke

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Total crap day. Cloudy, cool rubbish. Every single day of the week just gone was better than this dross. Forecast was embarrassingly bad. Just no excuses whatsoever. Model output was more accurate suggesting far more cloud and a high to the west always results in this rank, cloudy mess.

Not since 24th June has a Saturday managed more than 6 hours sun. That is beyond a joke

To make matter worse as well, the BBC Scotland forecast is now saying that there could still be a few showers around tomorrow as well, especially later on. They are expected to be more frequent up your way than down here in the Central Belt, but that doesn't mean that we won't get them here as well. What all of this means is that despite that originally good forecast for this weekend, we are yet again back to that same old scenario which we have seen all summer where we seem to be incapable of getting even a single completely dry day (that makes it even more amazing that we managed to get three of them on the trot during the week), and that is what I find to be beyond a joke now.

 

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No point staying up for the meteors, cloudy skies here after another disappointing day. At least I'm heading south to Yorkshire tomorrow, might see 20 C for the first time this month

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No point staying up for the meteors, cloudy skies here after another disappointing day. At least I'm heading south to Yorkshire tomorrow, might see 20 C for the first time this month

Here you've touched on another side of this obnoxious cloud cover. This is of course, that same old cloud cover which during the day, gives the sky its characteristic and all too familiar shades of grey. However, it is also easy to forgot that this cloud cover has its annoyances during the night because although we don't have to put up with seeing any depressingly grey skies at that time, it is this cloud cover which all too often, robs us of being able to see any interesting astronomical events which are going on at that time, and that is one thing which I hate about this climate of ours.

There is also another side of that as well which will come more to the fore during the winter (no doubt) because this cloud cover at night also keeps the temperature up which all too often during the winter, prevents us from getting very much in the way of frost. That has been even more noticeable during recent winters with the only consolation then being that we don't have to see as much of those grey skies during the day due to the short days at that time of year.

So, that is three different things altogether, which I hate about the almost constant cloud cover which we see all too often in this part of the world and times, I just wish that somebody out there would bring out a giant vacuum cleaner to hoover all of those clouds away so that we can then enjoy some decent sunshine (especially at this time of year) or be able to see any astronomical events and if it is winter, be able to get a lot more in the way of decent frosts (unless of course, those clouds are delivering some snow to this part of the world which is something which is very rare these days).

 

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This is just another of those utterly dire months from hell in which the weather is only decent when you're at work

After being stuck in the office with 20s temperatures and sun outside the weekend arrives and it is a disgusting rank 15C and cloudy. This follows on from some rain first thing 

Was thinking about a trip down to St Andrews given the good forecast but decided against it when I saw all the cloud about. Looks even more overcast than up here when it was meant to be 19C and sunny.

Not had one mostly sunny Saturday now since June which is just a joke. Another year of awful weekend weather and all the more depressing at this stage of the year when there are not many weekends left for doing things outdoors 

EDIT: Temperature has now fallen to 13.7C. Absolutely shockingly bad garbage weekend weather and once again I am beyond furious

Forecasters nowadays are nothing but a hopeless bunch of clowns. An ape drawing balls from a bag would get it right more often.

My guess is that it's more likely to do with the quality of their computer forecasting models, some of which we have access to.

Seems to be the case that despite the advances that have been made in weather forecasting in recent times, the accuracy of these models for forecasts beyong a few days ahead is still very much open to question.

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The funny thing is that what has happened in the last 3-4 weeks (since the deterioration in the weather in more southern parts began) is the polar opposite of what many of the MetO's medium range outlooks back in late June & early July were suggesting. At that time, many of these were suggesting on a pretty consistent basis that the generally better weather that southern areas had experienced in June and early July would spread further north during the latter half of July and possibly last into early August. It is as if that thundery low event nearly four weeks ago threw a major spanner in the works which we just haven't been able to recover from.

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To make matter worse as well, the BBC Scotland forecast is now saying that there could still be a few showers around tomorrow as well, especially later on. They are expected to be more frequent up your way than down here in the Central Belt, but that doesn't mean that we won't get them here as well. What all of this means is that despite that originally good forecast for this weekend, we are yet again back to that same old scenario which we have seen all summer where we seem to be incapable of getting even a single completely dry day (that makes it even more amazing that we managed to get three of them on the trot during the week), and that is what I find to be beyond a joke now.

 

Wouldn't be at all surprised if it rains here later. The cloud has already arrived to ruin yet another weekend day. Only managed a woeful 4.5 hours sun which like yesterdays even worse total is lower than any weekday. It's just horrible now. 16.6C and cloudy 

A terrible cool, cloudy weekend this has been. Just dire and now only one sunny weekend day out of 14. This would be bad enough on it's own but taken in context with all the other prolonged periods of dismal weekend weather there has been over the past few years is beyond tolerable 

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Raining now to make yet another crap weekend with rainfall recorded on both days

Absolutely unreal. This is one of the worst seasons I have had to endure for sure. The dross is just never ending.

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I can also confirm that the rain which we are expected to see during tomorrow is already just approaching Chunky Pea's neck of the wood over in Ireland according to the latest rainfall radar map, as I write. To me, that is bad news for tomorrow because this means that this weather system could be approaching us a bit more quickly than expected. If that happens, that could completely scupper our chances of getting a dry (and possibly, bright) start to tomorrow.

Given the nature of how this summer has gone, I wouldn't be surprised if that is what actually ends up happening.

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Funny how quiet the other summer thread in this forum, the English summer wonder thread, has become in the past three weeks or so.

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Once again, this miserable non-event of a 'summer' has gone from bad to worse this morning as I have woken up once again to very leaden skies (those shades of grey just seem to be the usual colour of our sky these days) and heavy rain which is forecast to continue for the rest of the day. In fact, this type of weather has dominated our summer so much this year, that I'm running out of words now, for what else I can say about it in addition to everything which I have said on this thread already during this summer.

Rather surprisingly, the figures from SEPA show that just 0.6 mm of rain has fallen this morning from this latest weather system. The amount of rain which I'm seeing just now, would suggest that we have had more rain than that, and those figures will probably be a lot higher by the end of today, anyway.

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Today was the warmest day of the month so far, in the UK.

A ball busting 25C.

Utterly pathetic.

Today was the warmest day of the month so far, in the UK.

A ball busting 25C.

Utterly pathetic.

Agreed and you can see how much damage to our summer since the poor weather took place from 18th July onward.  Summer 2017 have a big dent that happened on our prime peak time but now with longer night drawing in, dew in the mornings and sun a bit weaker ao it very hard to get very high temps 35C or over now.

It over no matter what and I lost interest now.

Today was the warmest day of the month so far, in the UK.

A ball busting 25C.

Utterly pathetic.

Try your luck in Spain.

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I have just been looking at this month's temperature for Edinburgh Gogarbank which shows just how poor this month has been because I have discovered from that data, that our highest max temperature so far this month is just 20.1C, which means that we haven't had a single day this month where the temperature has reached or exceeded 70F (in the American way of expressing temperatures).

I know that this is Scotland where I live, and where I shouldn't expect too much. However, in a decent summer which is largely dominated by high pressure, a weak cold front bringing nothing more than a band of cloud will often bring us into a cooler and fresher air mass yet even in such an air mass, the temperature will still often reach 21C, even here in Edinburgh. The fact that we have failed to even reach that magic 70F mark at any point in time during this entire month at the very time of year which is supposed to be high summer, shows once and for all, just how much a non-event this so-called 'summer' has turned out to be.

I don't have today's sunshine totals although with such poor weather around (luckily, it stopped raining not long after I submitted my last post over on the August Precipitation thread and rather surprisingly, it didn't rain here again until a short while ago although perhaps a lot less surprisingly, it is raining here yet again as I write), although there hasn't exactly been a lot of that today. In fact, I can report that going into today, we has mustered up just a measly total of just 12.2 hours of sunshine over the course of the previous four days put together (once today's figures are officially confirmed, that will now extend to five days in a row with less than 12 hours of sunshine).

In fact, you have to go all the way back to Tuesday 8 August 2017 to find the last day which produced 12 or more hours of sunshine and in fact, that is the only such day which had during this entire month as the last time before that to have given us that amount of sunshine in any day, was away back on 24 July 2017. For high summer even here in Scotland, that is very poor fare indeed and when you add in the fact that we are now well on course for every single summer month to end up being wetter than average, that just tells you the very sad and sorry state of what is the so-called 'summer' of 2017 in this part of the world.

 

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We haven't had a single 20c here so far this month. I know that I am at elevation and sure low ground will have seen 20c several times but that is still very poor. The August average in my back garden should be around 20c and not one day has reached that mark.

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Another glorious 24 hours in Edinburgh. Constant sunshine, even at nighttime! Do not believe the fake news that we had nigh on an inch of rain overnight!

I have just been looking at this month's temperature for Edinburgh Gogarbank which shows just how poor this month has been because I have discovered from that data, that our highest max temperature so far this month is just 20.1C, which means that we haven't had a single day this month where the temperature has reached or exceeded 70F (in the American way of expressing temperatures).

I know that this is Scotland where I live, and where I shouldn't expect too much. However, in a decent summer which is largely dominated by high pressure, a weak cold front bringing nothing more than a band of cloud will often bring us into a cooler and fresher air mass yet even in such an air mass, the temperature will still often reach 21C, even here in Edinburgh. The fact that we have failed to even reach that magic 70F mark at any point in time during this entire month at the very time of year which is supposed to be high summer, shows once and for all, just how much a non-event this so-called 'summer' has turned out to be.

I don't have today's sunshine totals although with such poor weather around (luckily, it stopped raining not long after I submitted my last post over on the August Precipitation thread and rather surprisingly, it didn't rain here again until a short while ago although perhaps a lot less surprisingly, it is raining here yet again as I write), although there hasn't exactly been a lot of that today. In fact, I can report that going into today, we has mustered up just a measly total of just 12.2 hours of sunshine over the course of the previous four days put together (once today's figures are officially confirmed, that will now extend to five days in a row with less than 12 hours of sunshine).

In fact, you have to go all the way back to Tuesday 8 August 2017 to find the last day which produced 12 or more hours of sunshine and in fact, that is the only such day which had during this entire month as the last time before that to have given us that amount of sunshine in any day, was away back on 24 July 2017. For high summer even here in Scotland, that is very poor fare indeed and when you add in the fact that we are now well on course for every single summer month to end up being wetter than average, that just tells you the very sad and sorry state of what is the so-called 'summer' of 2017 in this part of the world.

 

Same in Cumbria mate, possibly even worse.

Here summer started and finished in May (which was  cracking month) as June, July and August have all been very poor.

Andy

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Same in Cumbria mate, possibly even worse.

Here summer started and finished in May (which was  cracking month) as June, July and August have all been very poor.

Andy

In many ways, I would expect you to have worse weather in Cumbria than here in Edinburgh and the best example of that came in the winter of 2015/16 when parts of Hawick in the Scottish Borders was flooded out at a time when large parts of Cumbria including its biggest town of Carlisle, had even worse flooding than what they had in the Scottish Borders (which was probably on the periphery of that, since we had no such problems here in Edinburgh (although it was still very wet and miserable here)) at that time.

Apart from that though, I agree that Cumbria in line with the rest of the north of England as well as Scotland, should have been getting much better weather during this summer than what they have been getting. Just like in Cumbria as well, we probably also had our 'summer' back in May when the temperature at Edinburgh, Gogarbank reached 27.9C. To date, that is still our highest temperature of the entire year so far and is the only occasion this year, where the temperature in this part of the world reached or exceeded 80F.

This means that unless something drastic happens during the last two weeks of the meteorological summer to change that, it is now looking likely that our highest temperature of the year won't even have occurred during the actual summer, and that shows just how poor this summer has been. Even today was the perfect example of why this is the case because with plenty of sunshine today and just a moderate SW breeze, today is the sort of day which in most other summers, would been the ideal conditions for us seeing temperatures at least get into the low 20s.

Indeed, it even felt really nice in that sunshine today and yet even with that, the temperature still refused to nudge any higher than a paltry 18.8C which is actually no better than average for the time of year. Clearly, there is something badly wrong with our atmosphere just now which is preventing us from being able to get the sort of decent temperatures which we would normally expect to see on a decent summer's day like today, and that has been shown up badly once again.

On top of that, there is the rainfall because with such a nice day today, it would be hard to believe that we actually had 6.6mm of rain during the early hours of this morning before the time that a lot of people would even have been thinking about getting up. Indeed, the first 5 months of the year were very dry and amidst that, we had our driest April on record. This led to a lot of concerns that there could be a possible summer drought on the horizon with possible hosepipe bans in the south of England in particular.

Indeed, there was even a separate drought thread on this forum back then which I had contributed quite a lot towards at that time but then, we had our wettest June on record which changed all of that and now with last night's and this morning's rainfall, this year is now running slightly wetter than average for the first time this year, despite all of those previous drier than average months and resulting drought concerns. That to me, tells you just how bad this summer has been in terms of rainfall as well since it is now odds on that all three summer months will now come out wetter than average in this part of the world.

EDIT:

if you go back six months to last November, that ended up being a cold month (in fact, that was our coldest November since 2010) and although there was very little in the way of snow then, this generated a lot of hope for the following winter. Last winter was largely dominated by high pressure which gave us a drier than average winter, but that was also a very mild winter thanks to the sort of synoptics which we could have done with seeing during this summer, and which would no doubt have seem temperatures challenging (or possibly even reaching in the odd location) the 30C mark even here in Scotland if that had happened.

In essence, what happened in November ended up being 'it' for our winter and the reason why I have mentioned that is because although June did come out to be slightly warmer than average here overall, the same sort of thing has kind of ended up happening with our summer this year with all of the best weather of the entire year occurring during the second half of the spring (including May) rather than during the summer, itself, so we can really say that we have ended up having our 'summer.' in May.

Back when that was happening, I can remember telling people around me that I wouldn't be surprised if that ended up being 'it' for our summer, given what happened to our winter after November and apart from the odd decent day here and there in June and July, I have actually ended up being mostly right in that case.

 

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