Of course, it's not going to be a Bank Holiday here in Scotland (here, everything is more localised at this time of year which means that here in Edinburgh, we have what is known as the September weekend instead of that when people from here would traditionally go down to Blackpool for the illuminations) but nevertheless, it looking as though we're not going to joining the fun which those in the south of England in particular, are forecast to be able to enjoy as regards to our weather. Luckily though, the weekend itself doesn't look too bad apart from possibly an odd shower during tomorrow.

However, everything is then looking dodgy here on Monday itself, as the next weather system comes in from off the Atlantic and of course, we're already getting a taster for that right now as we have returned once again to our more familiar permacast hell and once again, it is raining as I write. This coming weekend is the final weekend of the meteorological summer, and it is now looking as though that this summer is going to go out on a fairly unsettled note, which is pretty much in line with what this summer has generally been like for most of the time.

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I'm south of the Border again John and experiencing my 3rd sunny warm day here in South Notts.....shorts weather! I'm down here every 3 or 4 weeks and its like a mini holiday in the sun each time!

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I'm south of the Border again John and experiencing my 3rd sunny warm day here in South Notts.....shorts weather! I'm down here every 3 or 4 weeks and its like a mini holiday in the sun each time!

It's been raining here since just after 11am (there was a little bit of it at around 6am as well), and it has only just stopped now with absolutely nothing here in the way of sunshine all day. According to what I am seeing on the rain radar map, we seem to be stuck under a stationary weather front at the moment. That is an old wrap-around occlusion which is attached to what is still the remnants of Hurricane Gert (or rather, the low pressure system which ex-Hurricane Gert was absorbed into), and which is stretching right across SE Scotland and over onto Northern Ireland with some showers to the NW of that and of course, that nice sunny weather which you have just mentioned, to the SE of that weather front.

The forecast is for that weather front is still be around for a while yet, and the rain radar map shows there is still some more from that, heading in this direction. So overall, today has been a very dire day in this part of the world (which is just typical of what this so-called 'summer' has generally been like in this part of the world) although rather surprisingly, the various data websites show that this has only produced 0.8 mm of rain during today at Edinburgh Gogarbank.

 

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Yet another crappy cloudy day. Absolutely atrocious. This week has been the absolute pits. Barely seen the sun. Dismal, depressing and dire 

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The cooler air really couldn't get here any sooner as I struggled with getting to sleep last night on account of temperatures hadn't fallen any lower than 17 C, high humidity and slack winds. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the warm hazy sunshine as much as the next person, but am getting a bit bored of being all sticky and feeling like I'm walking on treacle.  

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After the poor day yesterday all the forecasts from last night and from Carol this morning are promising good sunny spells for Scotland today with a few showers so was expecting to see some blue sky.
Look out of the window....complete cloud. Look at the satellite shot.....huge swathe of cloud going nowhere fast across northern Britain????
Where do the Met Office get their data from?? Why don't they just txt me? It would be far more accurate....and cheaper!! 😠

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The last few days have just typified exactly what this non-event of a 'summer' has been like in this part of the world. Saturday was actually quite nice apart from a few showers earlier on. However, we managed to achieve just 3.2 hours of sunshine at Edinburgh Gogarbank on Sunday, on what was supposed to be the best day of the weekend and yet, which ended with yet more dull and overcast skies for most of the time.

Then on Monday when the south of England was enjoying what was very close to its hottest late summer bank holiday on record (if that didn't actually happen), we were stuck in that permacast hell once again with some rain to boot, later on. Then there is today which is now the third day in a row with hardly any sunshine which is just utterly diabolical, even by our relatively poor Scottish standards.

As we all know though, this coming Friday will be the first day of the meteorological autumn and once again (as it has done all summer), we have ended up with yet another early taste of that, as the temperature just now is no better than a pitiful 14C here in Edinburgh which once again, is no warmer than what it was last Christmas.

It therefore seems as though this absolute joke of a 'summer' is now going out in the same old manner in which we have seen throughout, and I will be only too glad now to see the back of it.

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Satellite looked a typical disgusting post-2006 summer mess this morning with a massive band of cloud over the UK and only SE England and NW Scotland getting any sun. The cloud moved south eastwards but the clearance seemed to stop just to the NW of here. Cloud all day pretty much with very limited sun again and it's just started raining again

This will go down as one of the most abysmal ends to summer I can recall. Only about 2 or 3 evenings in more than a fortnight when it has been possible to do anything outdoors. 

Yesterday was total garbage with cloud and 19C instead of the 24-25C and sun we would have got from such a set-up in the past when the fronts sat over the NW Highlands and Northern Isles not the whole of Scotland. Time after time we see this crap since 1998. The most desperate time for summer warmth and heat in recorded history.

10 years since 24C was reached in August here. 20 years since it reached 80F. It’s beyond comprehension. Totally without precedent in modern times. Three out of four years now it hasn’t even reached 22C – the worst run since there were three in a row from 1949-51.

Decadal Maximum Temperatures for August at Dyce:

1950s: 27.2C
1960s: 26.8C
1970s: 28.4C
1980s: 26.8C
1990s: 29.7C
2000s: 26.0C
2010s: 23.7C

One of the readings sticks out like a sore thumb. So far removed from the rest it’s unreal and 23.7C is not just the highest since 2010 but the highest since 2007 so a full decade.

Has become almost impossible to see higher than low 20s in Scotland in August whereas this was certainly not the case in the past. Even in the dismal Augusts of the 1960s far higher temperatures were being recorded in Scotland than today:

1960: 78F(25.6C), 3rd (Renfrew & Pitlochry)
1961: 28.9C, 29th (Kinlochewe)
1962: 21.2C, 20th (Kinloss)
1963: 26.1C, 1st (Ardtalnaig)
1964: 27.8C, 3rd (Strachan)
1965: 25.0C, 12th and 13th (Poolewe)
1966: 22.8C, 18th (Dinnet), 25th (Kinlochewe), 30th (Sloy)
1967: 25.6C, 21st (Grantown-on-Spey)
1968: 25.6C, 23rd (Kelso), 27th (Glenlee & Dinnet)
1969: 27.8C, 8th (Nairn & Forres)

In this lousy decade, only 2016 has managed to reach 26C somewhere in Scotland with 2010, 2011, 2014 and now 2017 all failing to reach 25C compared to just 1962 and 1966 in the 60s.

2013 may have failed as well but can’t find the highest as the Met Office Monthly Summaries are absolute rubbish compared to those prior to 1993 which were comprehensively produced and always gave the highest temperatures in England & Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. 24C at Aboyne on the 15th is one of the highest I can find so highly probable that 5 out of 8 have failed to hit 25C compared to just 2 out of 10 in the 1960s.

The 1990s predictions of increasing and more intense heatwaves couldn’t be more wrong and the clowns, who made them, should be made to answer for why their rotten predictions have failed to come off but they just bury their heads in the sand and pretend that dodgy heat island readings in the SE are representative of the whole country. Of course we have our own rotten stations up here as well. Perhaps Inverailort has reached 27C this month

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Great data Richard underlying what hellish summer weather the north has endured since 2007.

The Bank Holiday weekend was forecast to be good here so out came the bbq in rediness as family were visiting from the Midlands, but it wasn't to be, the cloud never really cleared all weekend with just an hour or two of fleeting sunshine each day and a chilly, nagging wind keeping the temperature below 19c.

Contrast that with the wall to wall sunshine and mid 20s temperatures my visitors left behind in the Midlands (just 150 miles away), I bet they couldn't wait to get back!

And before anyone says the weather down south is always better consider that the average August temperature in Carlisle is 19c in London its 22c, on Monday the temperature in Carlisle was 17c in London it was 27c!

The north/south weather divide has got a hell of a lot wider.

Andy

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The 1990s predictions of increasing and more intense heatwaves couldn’t be more wrong and the clowns, who made them, should be made to answer for why their rotten predictions have failed to come off but they just bury their heads in the sand and pretend that dodgy heat island readings in the SE are representative of the whole country. Of course we have our own rotten stations up here as well. Perhaps Inverailort has reached 27C this month

Good point Richard. Obviously I can't speak for any area other than my owm, but where I live the summers in the post-1998 have generally been medicore at best with only a few better ones thrown in. The 1990s summers from the start of the decade up to and including 1997 had at least one reasonably long-lasting spell of good summer weather, but in recent times these have become almost as rare as hen's teeth. Something clearly has not gone to plan!

IMO, going all the way back to 1998 there has been a decline in the quality of our summers compared to those in the period from 1990-97, and counting some of the better summers we had in the 80s as well. Rarely in the post-98 era have we had so much as two decent ones in a row; the only times I can recall us getting that in my area was in 2005 & 2006, plus 2013 & 2014.

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After the poor day yesterday all the forecasts from last night and from Carol this morning are promising good sunny spells for Scotland today with a few showers so was expecting to see some blue sky.
Look out of the window....complete cloud. Look at the satellite shot.....huge swathe of cloud going nowhere fast across northern Britain????
Where do the Met Office get their data from?? Why don't they just txt me? It would be far more accurate....and cheaper!! 😠

I was wondering the same thing this morning when I saw the blanket of cloud over Lenzie, given the forecast from last night of a generally much brighter day over most of Scotland compared to yesterday.

Looks like that cold front took rather longer to move SE than they first aniticipated it would, but it's not the first time this season that one of their forecasts hasn't gone according to plan for my location.

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Great data Richard underlying what hellish summer weather the north has endured since 2007.

The Bank Holiday weekend was forecast to be good here so out came the bbq in rediness as family were visiting from the Midlands, but it wasn't to be, the cloud never really cleared all weekend with just an hour or two of fleeting sunshine each day and a chilly, nagging wind keeping the temperature below 19c.

Contrast that with the wall to wall sunshine and mid 20s temperatures my visitors left behind in the Midlands (just 150 miles away), I bet they couldn't wait to get back!

And before anyone says the weather down south is always better consider that the average August temperature in Carlisle is 19c in London its 22c, on Monday the temperature in Carlisle was 17c in London it was 27c!

The north/south weather divide has got a hell of a lot wider.

Andy

The south did better than the north during June and early July and again during the past week, but if you ask the likes of Brian and our other resident southerners about how southern areas have generally fared since the begining of the English school holidays, based on what I've read in other threads I don't think he would paint a great picture of their weather during that period.

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Had another shite night's sleep last night on account of the indoors humidity, but it is now feeling much more fresher and comfortable where I can finally cross my legs without them sticking together. Looking forward to a much more comfortable easier night's sleep tonight.

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I find it extraordinary, and it is not the first time this summer, how the temperature can lurch from 27 yesterday to just 13 today in London with incessant rain northerly winds etc... it is awful and feels like a raw late November

I find it extraordinary, and it is not the first time this summer, how the temperature can lurch from 27 yesterday to just 13 today in London with incessant rain northerly winds etc... it is awful and feels like a raw late November

And to be fair, the GFS model had picked up on that stark temperature change from a couple of days ago. Looks like it wasn't that far off the mark.

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Glad the hours to Meteorological Summer are getting less.. The weather already has changed of late. 

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For the past three or four days GFS have been consistent in forecasting very low maxima (sometimes, 12 or 13 here) for today, coupled with some heavy and perhaps persistent rain. MetO and Beeb, formerly moderating the degree of chill,  joined the party yesterday suggesting perhaps 14Cand rain at times. Well, I only know that something fell out of the sky as I could just about hear it on the conservatory roof for a minute or two. Paths stay bone dry. temp now 16C and blue sky arcing in a few miles to the west. 

In short, a better day. Moaning thread? I could have taken the children out.

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191 or 192, another forgettable summer

Worst summers for Manchester

1954 143
1907 147
1956 155
1912 156
1924 158
2012 164
2008 168
1987 169
1946 170
1909 171
1931 173
1978 173
1980 173
1920 174
1923 174
2007 174
1927 175
1948 176
1938 177
1922 178
2011 179
1985 180
1958 184
1972 185
1916 188
1986 189
1965 189
2016 189
1910 190
1936 190
1988 191
2010 191
1966 192
1998 192
2015 192
1953 193
1963 194
1993 194
2009 194

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191 or 192, another forgettable summer

Worst summers for Manchester

1954 143
1907 147
1956 155
1912 156
1924 158
2012 164
2008 168
1987 169
1946 170
1909 171
1931 173
1978 173
1980 173
1920 174
1923 174
2007 174
1927 175
1948 176
1938 177
1922 178
2011 179
1985 180
1958 184
1972 185
1916 188
1986 189
1965 189
2016 189
1910 190
1936 190
1988 191
2010 191
1966 192
1998 192
2015 192
1953 193
1963 194
1993 194
2009 194

Looks to be about the same as 2015 Kevin and only slightly higher than last year.

We're well overdue another scorcher now, IMO.

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I've used this thread a lot this summer but ironically I spent the last day of summer at North Berwick in beautiful warm sunshine on a white sandy beach!

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