moomin75
30 June 2022 06:19:19

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Insane heat once again from GFS.  38c by the end. Third run in a row to show 100f .


 


Insane but a long, long, long way out, and no way will it verify.


However, trend is growing for a long dry spell through July....even here in Witney.


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White Meadows
30 June 2022 06:21:48

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Insane heat once again from GFS.  38c by the end. Third run in a row to show 100f .


 


I’m not so sure 100f is there, but generally improving with a decent heat build up throughout the run. 

ballamar
30 June 2022 06:28:42

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Insane but a long, long, long way out, and no way will it verify.


However, trend is growing for a long dry spell through July....even here in Witney.



again your comment is ridiculous ‘no way will it verify’ - honestly your posts are so ‘told you do’ it’s unbearable.


the heat in Europe the potential for change in pattern makes it very possible 

Gusty
30 June 2022 06:41:30

A steady burner to something potentially quite special...shades of 95 ? 


Ps. Loving the 0z GFS @378hrs that gives Folkestone 23.5c @ 850Hpa, 30.2c @ 925Hpa in 577 dam air ! 


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30 June 2022 06:45:32

WX summary back this morning: week 1 warmth still holding on in Scandinavia, cooler on either side especially to the east; week 2 Scandinavian heat collapses and cool weather moves down as far as Belarus while heat pushes up from the south elsewhere, especially to England (close to 20C day-night average but still on the cool side N Scotland) and super-hot for Spain and Urals. Rain well distributed in week 1, concentrated in the cool area as above week 2 with very dry England, France & Germany.


GFS Op - current trough filling but taking its time to move first N and then E into Sweden but by Thu 7th Azores High is in control as it extends to Britain and a definite centre here 1030mb N Ireland Mon 11th. This slowly moves E and allows LP to move up from France Fri 15th


GEFS - for the S mean temp a couple of degrees below norm now, to norm and then above from Fri 8th with op finishing Sat 16th 12C above norm (but hold your horses! the control is below norm and the mean is close to norm). Very dry. Similar temp profile further N without the extremes and wet at first, not quite as dry later as the S


ECM - Similar to GFS but development of Azores high takes place a couple of days earlier


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moomin75
30 June 2022 06:59:41

Originally Posted by: ballamar 


 


again your comment is ridiculous ‘no way will it verify’ - honestly your posts are so ‘told you do’ it’s unbearable.


the heat in Europe the potential for change in pattern makes it very possible 


You are right, sorry. I meant to say, it's FI, and there is no way it's likely to verify like that, but there is a definite trend to something special.


I didn't actually mean to dismiss it completely out of hand, but I don't think we've ever seen a +384 chart verify, so I'd caveat what I said by saying, it's very, very unlikely to. 😊


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30 June 2022 07:11:26

Originally Posted by: Gusty 


A steady burner to something potentially quite special...shades of 95 ? 


Ps. Loving the 0z GFS @378hrs that gives Folkestone 23.5c @ 850Hpa, 30.2c @ 925Hpa in 577 dam air ! 



The pattern for end of next week does look quite June 1995esque.


What I find most interesting in the current runs (aside from 37C appearing in 3 GFS FIs in a row) is that we have just over a week of lower than average upper air forecast, and maxes in the mid 20s. Shows the importance of sunshine in midsummer. It’s been a sunny year so far. 


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Tim A
30 June 2022 07:19:20

June has been a respectable month, dryer than average, warmer than average and fairly sunny, think the Met Office anomaly maps will show that in a few days, particularly around here.
You would have to say that July looks to be warmer and sunnier than average, of course it could change but its more likely than not.  
Will August end up mediocre again or will we have a classic summer. Lets hope the latter.


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30 June 2022 08:16:01

Definitely a significant dry and warm trend showing. One caveat is that the GFS 0Z Ops run is much hotter than the mean so thoughts of 38C could end up in disappointment if taken for Gospel. 


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Downpour
30 June 2022 09:23:17
Minor variations on a burgeoning theme from the overnights: outlook is warm, even very warm, perhaps hot.
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Taylor1740
30 June 2022 10:42:35
First half of next week actually looks quite cool, it's only really towards the end of next week where it looks like the heat may build, but still time for this to change.
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ballamar
30 June 2022 10:49:34
Spain/Portugal looks ripe for a 50c chance - would be devastating for them
Ally Pally Snowman
30 June 2022 11:51:01

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

Spain/Portugal looks ripe for a 50c chance - would be devastating for them


Looks brutal day after day of mid 40s. 


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Gusty
30 June 2022 11:56:12

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

Spain/Portugal looks ripe for a 50c chance - would be devastating for them


These dangerous heatwaves are becoming more common across the Med. It won't be too long before tourists give the Med a swerve in July and August. After our sweatbox fortnight in Ibiza back in 2015 we certainly won't be going back in the 'core of summer'.


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Tim A
30 June 2022 12:08:30

Originally Posted by: Gusty 


 


These dangerous heatwaves are becoming more common across the Med. It won't be too long before tourists give the Med a swerve in July and August. After our sweatbox fortnight in Ibiza back in 2015 we certainly won't be going back in the 'core of summer'.



It is a good point.  From next year we have to go away in the School Holidays. Was looking at Tuscany in August , but many of the old Italian houses/villas don't have air conditioning.  Could be horrendous if it co-incidences with a heatwave like they have just experienced.  Looking at the forecast for Florence there are more 38c days to come this weekend. 


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30 June 2022 13:09:21

I've repurposed the Italy heatwave thread to a more general European one and covered the Spanish forecasts. They look eye popping. Never seen anything like it.


We are at the point where a downgrade would still give them low to mid 40s for a few days.


I wonder what will happen first this century: 50C in Europe or 40C in the UK? 


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Saint Snow
30 June 2022 13:19:11

Originally Posted by: Gusty 


 


These dangerous heatwaves are becoming more common across the Med. It won't be too long before tourists give the Med a swerve in July and August. After our sweatbox fortnight in Ibiza back in 2015 we certainly won't be going back in the 'core of summer'.



 


It's a good point. We were once caught in a heatwave on the Costaa del Sol one early July and vowed not to do that again in peak summer (we did go to Murcia to see friends in July 20, but it wasn't so bad, only at around 85f)


We've generally gone to Med places at Whit. If we have to go in the summer hols, it's been Lanza/Fuerta or the Frnech Atlantic Coast round the Vendee. Thinking of trying Brittany next summer (although I'm wary of it not being hot/dry enough)


Off to Malta tomorrow for a long weekend and it's forecast to be 35/36c 


 



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Rob K
30 June 2022 14:31:44

Originally Posted by: ballamar 


 


don’t forget I was told there is no chance of that this summer



I thought there was meant to be no chance of 30C, never mind 40C? 


 


Looks like I missed the super hot GFS runs but the latest isn't bad.


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TimS
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30 June 2022 14:35:31

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


I thought there was meant to be no chance of 30C, never mind 40C? 


 


Looks like I missed the super hot GFS runs but the latest isn't bad.



There were 3 super-hot FI runs in a row, each with 37C shown towards the end. Unprecedented (but unfortunately also FI).


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Hungry Tiger
30 June 2022 14:38:56

Originally Posted by: TimS 


 


There were 3 super-hot FI runs in a row, each with 37C shown towards the end. Unprecedented (but unfortunately also FI).



That almost answers my suggestion in the European heatwave thread.


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