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Ally Pally Snowman
21 July 2019 16:43:51

GEM has 37c quite widely on Thursday.  34c  Wednesday 


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Ally Pally Snowman
21 July 2019 16:45:20

I think if we can break the July record it would be great.

The UK record is overdue now. 13 years it took for that to be broken. It’s been 16 years now...

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


 


Thursday has ramped up a notch today beating 38.5c looks possible after today's 12s.


 


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Heavy Weather 2013
21 July 2019 16:47:32


 


 


Thursday has ramped up a notch today beating 38.5c looks possible after today's 12s.


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Agreed. Thursday is now the day to watch


Mark
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TimS
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21 July 2019 16:47:49
I think the hi res GFS shows 36 over London but the 6s look like 8s. But it does clearly have a 37C slap bang over Brogdale.

The forecast values for Northern France and Benelux are stupendous. Who ever thought43C would be possible even in a model run in Pas de Calais.
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Retron
21 July 2019 16:48:10


Thursday has ramped up a notch today beating 38.5c looks possible after today's 12s.


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


ECM pins the max around Faversham (i.e. Brogdale), coincidentally.



(Thursday looks like being an atrocious day down here, I can only hope the models are completely overdoing it!)



Some very warm -stifling- nights forecast around the Capital; not sure what the record UK night min is but 25C in London area at 5am looks - well- unsleepable.


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


25C as a minimum? That'd be a new record, IIRC, so I wouldn't take that at face value at this range (anyone remember the 27C dewpoints a few weeks ago, for example?)


If it does happen, though.. it's what air-con was made for!


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21 July 2019 16:53:25
On Thursday afternoon I’ll be on a ferry from Portsmouth to Caen. Praying the front doesn’t get that far East and I get to enjoy the unusual experience of being warm on deck on across channel ferry.

Progged air temps over the mid channel are around 24C.
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Jiries
21 July 2019 17:25:21

Lovely to see another heatwave and this time hopefully we can get some records broken since France already done it last month we missed out completely.  I only work Fri-Sat so the heatwave timing is very good for me as by Friday heatwave gone and I am back to work so I won't miss out.  I hope to see low 30's over here since I am near to the coast.  Isle of Grain 4 miles from here never go above 30C but the chart show over 30C and 33C over Lower Stoke here and 35C further westward.

Heavy Weather 2013
21 July 2019 17:27:16


Lovely to see another heatwave and this time hopefully we can get some records broken since France already done it last month we missed out completely.  I only work Fri-Sat so the heatwave timing is very good for me as by Friday heatwave gone and I am back to work so I won't miss out.  I hope to see low 30's over here since I am near to the coast.  Isle of Grain 4 miles from here never go above 30C but the chart show over 30C and 33C over Lower Stoke here and 35C further westward.


Originally Posted by: Jiries 


I hope we break the record Jiries. I remember how happy you were in 2003


Mark
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Downpour
21 July 2019 17:29:46
I wonder if the French will break their own recently set record this week? Looks like the perfect set up for somewhere like the Dordogne to absolutely cook again. An extraordinary summer they are having. It really is quite remarkable how the French land mass sizzles in these sorts of set up.
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picturesareme
21 July 2019 17:33:10


 


ECM pins the max around Faversham (i.e. Brogdale), coincidentally.



(Thursday looks like being an atrocious day down here, I can only hope the models are completely overdoing it!)


 


25C as a minimum? That'd be a new record, IIRC, so I wouldn't take that at face value at this range (anyone remember the 27C dewpoints a few weeks ago, for example?)


If it does happen, though.. it's what air-con was made for!


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Only if it was at an official recording station..


I very much doubt that an overnight low of 25C hasn't ever been achieved in the urban area of a UK city in the past, but the due to a lack of city recording stations we will probably never know. The urban heat effect can be very localised, for example a few nights back it got down to around 9C at recording station near to me with the station being about 4 miles away as the wind blows, however it didn't drop below 14C here. 

Gusty
21 July 2019 17:38:39

I'm not sure how I feel about this.


We will be hitting the road around 08:30hrs on Thursday at Calais reaching Jard Sur Mer in Southern Vendee around 4pm ish.


I anticipate getting out the car around 2pm to experience what 40c heat feels like....exciting ! but there is a nagging feeling that the UK record could go and I'll be out of the country.


However..there is huge potential for some decent thunderstorms in Vendee late in the day as the fierce continental heat surrenders (maybe) to the fresher atlantic.


Exciting times 


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Bertwhistle
21 July 2019 18:20:33

Postage stamps GEFS for Thursday afternoon; seems the 31C mean I carolled about moved a day on. Transition Friday?



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bledur
21 July 2019 18:28:46


Postage stamps GEFS for Thursday afternoon; seems the 31C mean I carolled about moved a day on. Transition Friday?



Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


 There is still a lot of un- certainty as to when the cold front will push through, maybe not till Saturday for the far east which could bring some really hot air ahead of the front. More certain is a change for the start of August for a more mixed weather with rain across all areas as the Continental High temporarily recedes

Ally Pally Snowman
21 July 2019 18:52:21

ECM has 38c for Essex area for Thursday.  Wow! 37c more widely in Kent.


 


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Rob K
21 July 2019 19:17:04
Just looking at the ECM, it has the 20C isotherm moving back westwards from Wednesday to Thursday as the low digs in. 24C isotherm just off the south coast. Short sea track. Could be another Brogdale special!
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TimS
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21 July 2019 19:29:43

Just looking at the ECM, it has the 20C isotherm moving back westwards from Wednesday to Thursday as the low digs in. 24C isotherm just off the south coast. Short sea track. Could be another Brogdale special!

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Have they really decommissioned Gravesend Broadness? Madness, up there with removing Camden square. Might as well go the whole hog at the other end of the spectrum and remove Benson or Altnaharra.


EDIT: yes, just confirmed online. Because they’re building a £3.2 billion theme park on the site. Next to Boris island airport perhaps.


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picturesareme
21 July 2019 19:47:39


 


Have they really decommissioned Gravesend Broadness? Madness, up there with removing Camden square. Might as well go the whole hog at the other end of the spectrum and remove Benson or Altnaharra.


EDIT: yes, just confirmed online. Because they’re building a £3.2 billion theme park on the site. Next to Boris island airport perhaps.


Originally Posted by: TimS 


When Solent another old regular UK  hot spot was removed it took a couple of year's to replace it. We have now gosport fleetlands :)

Gusty
21 July 2019 20:02:36

Here we go.


12z ECM in all her glory. 


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Rob K
21 July 2019 20:05:17


Here we go.


12z ECM in all her glory. 


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Originally Posted by: Gusty 


 


Wow. 41C just across the water too - ICON has 42C in Calais FWIW.


Hopefully Brogdale is still in operation, although as a manual station it will mean a long wait for confirmation. None of the usual west London hotspots like Heathrow, Northolt, Kew, Wisley look to be in prime position as the heat is really focused to the east.


Shoeburyness is the only one in the right spot really and on the wrong side of the water. Andrewsfield maybe in with a shout too.


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Heavy Weather 2013
21 July 2019 20:09:10
iPhone app now has 36C shown for Thursday as does the BBC. Timing is going to be crucial.

Still 4 days away, hopefully everything comes togeather. Will be good to see temps higher that what’s being models the next few days.
Mark
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TimS
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21 July 2019 20:13:22
Manston could get some unusually hot numbers in that setup too, despite being close to the sea on 3 sides.

Others to watch: Mildenhall, City Airport, Headcorn.

Will be such an anticlimax if the cold front moves through on Thursday morning and Lakenheath or Norwich squeezes a 31C.
Brockley, South East London 30m asl
Retron
22 July 2019 03:15:36

It's fascinating (from a nerdy point of view) just how poorly the ensembles are coping with the potential very hot conditions on Thursday. ECM, for example, shows this IMBY:



The maximum from the 51 members is 31.1C, but the op has 35.6C - not just slightly warmer, but a massive outlier. However, given the noises from the Met Office (their text forecast goes for 33C in the SE tomorrow as a high, for example), it's clearly not thought unusual.


The GEFS also has an "outside the pack" forecast, albeit to a lesser magnitude than ECM.


Generally the ensembles offer excellent guidance, but it seems their resolution isn't as high as it could be, hence small pockets of extremely high (or low) temperatures can get missed.


Leysdown, north Kent
Ally Pally Snowman
22 July 2019 04:51:45

Arpege max temps this week 0z run


Monday 30c, Tuesday 33c, Wednesday 36c, Thursday 36c


 


Wednesday has 36c in Norfolk area but Thursday has 36c quite widely in the SE and EA so 37 likely somewhere.


 


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DEW
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22 July 2019 05:42:47

I'm not sure I'd want to be a forecaster this week - the models generally are showing the maximum heat streaming northwards through the Netherlands and up into Scandi whil LP from the Atlantic pushes uncertainly in from the west. A bit more push from the Atlantic and the heat wave vanishes; a bit less and the UK will have 30-35C widely.


Top chart for heat on Thursday seems to be Arpege (see Ally above); worst  is the fax chart with a well developed depression in the SW and fronts across the south implying storms and much lower temps. One must also be careful not to be too SE-centric; ICON and Arpege both show temps over Cornwall/W Wales/NI some 10-15C lower than East Anglia.


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Brian Gaze
22 July 2019 05:58:38


Generally the ensembles offer excellent guidance, but it seems their resolution isn't as high as it could be, hence small pockets of extremely high (or low) temperatures can get missed.


Originally Posted by: Retron 


It's an odd one because their resolution is similar to the ops of a few years ago. I don't recall the ops back then undershooting temps so dramatically. On a slightly different note I have come to trust the Arpege temperature forecasts more than most other models. I was initially sceptical of the high values it often churns out but they are often a lot closer to the mark than GFS.


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