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28 January 2019 09:12:19

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


 That's a remarkably high confidence level for such a long range forecast. Let's wait and see what happens before lauding or criticising. 



The linked article found by doctor mog is dated Jan 13th. A fortnight is a long time in weather forecasting


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Brian Gaze
28 January 2019 09:18:13

Originally Posted by: DEW 


 


The linked article found by doctor mog is dated Jan 13th. A fortnight is a long time in weather forecasting



 Even more remarkable that such a high confidence level was attached in that case.  It's going to be a very impressive piece of forecasting if it verifies, but let's wait and see.


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Gandalf The White
28 January 2019 09:18:28

Originally Posted by: Phil G 


 


Part of the articles reads:


"It comes after a heat surge in the Arctic saw air temperatures over the North Pole rise by 65C in two days. Such surges are known to increase the risk of wintry blasts hitting Britain".


 


As we know, all this "hot air" and talk of SSW causing beasts and the like does not guarantee cold weather to hit the UK. There are the "other 99" ingredients needed to fall into place for it to happen here.


We have had cold weather from non SSW events as well.


 



Yes, there are many other factors but it is highly improbable that the Met Office, with their extensive forecasting models, would not have taken everything into account before issuing such an alert. As others have said, 70% is a high level of confidence - but it does still mean almost a one in three chance of it not happening.


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Solar Cycles
28 January 2019 09:18:32

Originally Posted by: DEW 


 


The linked article found by doctor mog is dated Jan 13th. A fortnight is a long time in weather forecasting


Lol, 70%..... 60%......50%.....40%......šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

Gandalf The White
28 January 2019 09:24:06

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 


Lol, 70%..... 60%......50%.....40%......šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚



Or.....


70%....80%.....90%.....



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Solar Cycles
28 January 2019 09:27:11

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


 


Or.....


70%....80%.....90%.....



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Maunder Minimum
28 January 2019 09:40:21

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 





Just followed Matt's advice - the differences are indeed stark - fortunately, they favour snow - let's hope the Thursday/Friday low maintains a track which delivers for lowland England.


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Russwirral
28 January 2019 10:16:46

That little Polar Low - has re-intensified over scotland on the arpege . Amazing little feature. Average wind speed about 70pm, with gusts up to and above 100mph once its through shetland.


 


Edit: for a smidge it becomes hurricane strength again 150 miles off the coast of WICK.


Russwirral
28 January 2019 10:21:14

back to the snow - I suspect there will be met warnings covering a large swathe of England and wales to cover all bases, rather than a small one for SE..  Each model has a slightly different extent and impact from this weeks snow.


 


edit: must have been some lag ion my internet, as MET have already updated to reflect the above.  


The Beast from the East
28 January 2019 10:22:50

GFS still wants to builds a ridge but ECM looks confident in flattening the pattern and SWerlys



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Maunder Minimum
28 January 2019 10:30:59

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


GFS still wants to builds a ridge but ECM looks confident in flattening the pattern and SWerlys


 



Maybe it is my imagination, but from what I have seen, ECM has been the worst performing model over the past few weeks for our neck of the woods.


Yes, I know someone will post verification stats showing ECM as the top model, but either they are wrong, or they give a misleading impression, since they are based on the hemispheric patterns rather than the small scale which so impact UK weather on the ground.


 


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Quantum
28 January 2019 10:33:24

There are two tropical cyclones on the ARPEGE0Z



What the hell is going on?


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
ballamar
28 January 2019 10:35:56
Quantum
28 January 2019 10:37:07


This is now being shown on other models too including WRF and ICON.


Seems like we have to take the possibility of a tropical like storm hitting the UK seriously.


Polar lows do occasionally come this far south, but its very unusual for them to be this strong. These are more like medicanes than polar lows.


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
28 January 2019 10:38:57

ICON.





 


This is not a baroclinic system. It has an eyewall and a warm core.


What the actual hell?


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
28 January 2019 10:41:25

Its nothing compared to this nonsense of course.



Yesterday's 0Z showing a Catogary 2 hurricane landfalling in Scotland.


 


To be clear that's an actual hurricane, not a depression with hurricane force winds, an actual hurricane.


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
tallyho_83
28 January 2019 10:43:53

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU06_192_1.png

Thinking of linking up


Yes there has been a trend for this but usually it keeps getting flattened!


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beanoir
28 January 2019 10:45:04
A rather interesting development, Iā€™m unsure what it would deliver in terms of weather though...
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Quantum
28 January 2019 10:45:28


This is what the strongest polar low ever looked like.


Seems like this record could be under threat.


 


That being said the meseoscale models are way too keen to blow medicanes up too, so I can't imagine it verifying especially not in the way its being shown.


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
tallyho_83
28 January 2019 10:46:19

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU06_192_1.png

Thinking of linking up


What a guess - flattened at +252 on 06z


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU06_252_1.png


 


run but 0z run brings that HP to Scandinavia:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU00_252_1.png


 


 


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