Brian Gaze
24 January 2019 21:07:27

...there is still time for winter to jump out of the computer screens and bite! Will it happen? The model output is inconclusive still. Personally I doubt we'll see a repeat of last year's freeze but you never can say for sure. What's clear is this is shaping up to be the best virtual winter on record. In the same way that 1962/63 has attained mythical status in the real word, 2018/19 will do the same for the virtual one. 


 


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Bertwhistle
24 January 2019 21:14:42

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


...there is still time for winter to jump out of the computer screens and bite! Will it happen? The model output is inconclusive still. Personally I doubt we'll see a repeat of last year's freeze but you never can say for sure. What's clear is this is shaping up to be the best virtual winter on record. In the same way that 1962/63 has attained mythical status in the real word, 2018/19 will do the same for the virtual one. 


 



What's a virtual winter? If it's a good one because the models make it good, then surely it has to be the nearly now to be nearly real? But T+ less-than-120 is almost never that good.


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Bertwhistle
24 January 2019 21:18:48

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


...there is still time for winter to jump out of the computer screens and bite! Will it happen? The model output is inconclusive still. Personally I doubt we'll see a repeat of last year's freeze but you never can say for sure. What's clear is this is shaping up to be the best virtual winter on record. In the same way that 1962/63 has attained mythical status in the real word, 2018/19 will do the same for the virtual one. 


 



I sadly wonder if what you say isn't true when I look at the ECM:


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/chart.aspx?chart=///www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/ecm/240_mslp850.png?cb=699


Where, at the theoretically coldest time of the year, is the cold?


 


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The Beast from the East
24 January 2019 21:24:15
Virtual or not, I’m pleased it’s been quite dry and not stormy so far.
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Maunder Minimum
24 January 2019 21:25:11

Many twists and turns though - Icon 18z operational has flipped to the GFS solution at 114 -120 hours.


Really not possible to make this stuff up - never known such model volatility at short range.


New world order coming.
Joe Bloggs
24 January 2019 21:25:41

I went into the gym at 6pm and the atmosphere in here was euphoric with snow forecasts galore for next week.


After a workout, a swim, and a Tesco shop, it’s like a wake in here.


Let me guess - an operational run from a well known European model wasn’t very good?!? ;-) 



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Maunder Minimum
24 January 2019 21:30:36

Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


I went into the gym at 6pm and the atmosphere in here was euphoric with snow forecasts galore for next week.


After a workout, a swim, and a Tesco shop, it’s like a wake in here.


Let me guess - an operational run from a well known European model wasn’t very good?!? ;-) 



ECM Op goes pear shaped in the unreliable as per usual. On the plus side, 18z ICON has decided to stop making us miserable and has joined the GFS camp.


No consistency in any model.


New world order coming.
White Meadows
24 January 2019 21:32:28

Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


I went into the gym at 6pm and the atmosphere in here was euphoric with snow forecasts galore for next week.


After a workout, a swim, and a Tesco shop, it’s like a wake in here.


Let me guess - an operational run from a well known European model wasn’t very good?!? ;-) 



The whole suite is worsening run by run with the op largely supported as a milder outcome.  Hope you had a nice sauna. 

Joe Bloggs
24 January 2019 21:36:59

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


 


The whole suite is worsening run by run with the op largely supported as a milder outcome.  Hope you had a nice sauna. 



ha! I did thank you. 


And thanks to Maunder too for his update. 


All eyes on the 18z GFS then, particularly the parallel.


Tuesday/Wednesday the days to watch next week for now. 



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Brian Gaze
24 January 2019 21:38:36

Here's the snow row league table.


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/snowrow.aspx


I'll polish and integrate into the site in the next few days.


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backtobasics
24 January 2019 21:42:29

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Here's the snow row league table.


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/snowrow.aspx


I'll polish and integrate into the site in the next few days.



 


Thanks Brian - a nice addition 

fairweather
24 January 2019 21:58:15

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Here's the snow row league table.


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/snowrow.aspx


I'll polish and integrate into the site in the next few days.



Be easier to draw a vertical line south to north. 


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Tree & Snowman
24 January 2019 22:02:38

 


Here's the snow row league table.


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/snowrow.aspx


I'll polish and integrate into the site in the next few days.


 Good to see Inverness holding its own against some European heavyweights 

doctormog
24 January 2019 22:27:57
The GFS 18z op run is coming out just fine though.
BJBlake
24 January 2019 22:36:00

The snow eye candy of the GFS does not hold water - no pun intended, because the 850hpa is too high in our region for too long. But hey, it's a pretty picture for sure - 1979 like but less cold. Odd just how close this is to real time at 150hrs, with 144 being semi-reliable in normal conditions, but now T96 is not even a sure bet. These are strange times indeed. E.g ice in the high Arctic off Norway given 10 years max to disappear! Sad but a call to arms hopefully. I am cutting down on meat to once a week, small beer, but if everyone reduced meat it all helps. Saves money and belly fat too. Lol. 


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Joe Bloggs
24 January 2019 22:37:14

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

The GFS 18z op run is coming out just fine though.


.. yes and it’s a wintry one. 


A significant snow risk. 



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Russwirral
24 January 2019 22:39:03
18z is quite similar to the 12z. Some slight changes here or there... but the Net result is the same. Areas of snow affecting areas of the UK. Those areas seemingly driven by LP activity than strictly wind direction....

Last time i remember seeing that was 2010. Not saying this is the same... just when stuck under a big trough. Micro features develop. Its where we saw areas get repeated 6" falls.

Interesting times.
BJBlake
24 January 2019 22:41:48

Yes - back to models: agreed - 360 return to sustained cold. The longest ever roller coaster ride - this! 


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tallyho_83
24 January 2019 22:42:04

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Here's the snow row league table.


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/snowrow.aspx


I'll polish and integrate into the site in the next few days.



Laughs out loud @ ROme (41'N) being more Snowy than Plymouth (50'N) !!


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doctormog
24 January 2019 22:42:42

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 

18z is quite similar to the 12z. Some slight changes here or there... but the Net result is the same. Areas of snow affecting areas of the UK. Those areas seemingly driven by LP activity than strictly wind direction....

Last time i remember seeing that was 2010. Not saying this is the same... just when stuck under a big trough. Micro features develop. Its where we saw areas get repeated 6" falls.

Interesting times.


Except 2010 was much colder. The possibility of snow is there rather than a probability IMO. It is still generally cold though, with “messy” synoptics. 


And Sean climatically most places are snowier than Plymouth. 


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