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Phil24
10 January 2019 22:40:46

To my eye, that looks rather like some snow candy for Western Europe and the UK.

 

 

DPower
10 January 2019 22:42:42

Touchdown.

 

Originally Posted by: Phil24 

Thats the chart I was refering to. Cheers.

Rob K
10 January 2019 22:51:03
Not much joy on the 18Z for snow fans unless they are in western Scotland... it's all gone a bit JMA.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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Whether Idle
10 January 2019 22:52:33

 

Cool and wet on this run with wintriness especially for northern hills. Milder towards the SW, colder NE. dipping jet aligned NW-SE.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Gandalf The White
10 January 2019 22:56:53

 

Until this comes within T168 then the most likely outcome for me is a zonal pattern with +VE NAO with passing days of PM air.

 

Originally Posted by: Shropshire 

Not forgetting that the Azores high is still only about 2,000 miles away. Surprised you didn't highlight that.


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Polar Low
10 January 2019 23:00:08

very good news from GP 

New EC update weeks 3 and 4 as you were. High pressure in all the right places.

should be here soon

http://effis.jrc.ec.europa.eu/applications/monthly-forecast/

 

 

Steve Murr
10 January 2019 23:02:57

 

Not forgetting that the Azores high is still only about 2,000 miles away. Surprised you didn't highlight that.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

Plus the pattern is already @144 on the Euros..

Steve Murr
10 January 2019 23:07:25
GFS 18z mean @162 excluding the slightly volatile operational run shows pretty much exact allignment to the ECM

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?ech=6&code=21&mode=0&carte=1 

kmoorman
10 January 2019 23:12:07
I've only been able to go out as far as 192 hrs on the GEFS but there are some great charts in there
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Polar Low
10 January 2019 23:12:50

East coast looks primed fab

http://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_panel.php?modele=0&mode=0&ech=192

 

 

GFS 18z mean @162 excluding the slightly volatile operational run shows pretty much exact allignment to the ECM
http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?ech=6&code=21&mode=0&carte=1

Originally Posted by: Steve Murr 

Steve Murr
10 January 2019 23:14:07

East coast looks primed fab

http://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_panel.php?modele=0&mode=0&ech=192

 

 

 

Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

Yes looking very good for the NE- also Scotland E

Polar Low
10 January 2019 23:16:43

indeed some  like this ohh please babe

 

 

Yes looking very good for the NE- also Scotland E

Originally Posted by: Steve Murr 

nsrobins
10 January 2019 23:51:34

Not much joy on the 18Z for snow fans unless they are in western Scotland... it's all gone a bit JMA.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

I’m again left wondering when the GFS OP will latch on properly because almost every run is like waiting for milk to curdle at the moment. The GFSP fan club can’t even roll that out these last two runs.

Cross model at 120hrs. We are a long way off that.


Neil

Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)

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fairweather
11 January 2019 00:15:03

I think it's a pretty safe bet to now say that the second half of January will be the coldest spell of the winter so far. At the moment the period from 18th-23rd is actually looking the coldest. Nevertheless there is quite a bit of cherry picking of charts going on and some rather fanciful predictions of snowfall in specific regions at the end of January! But we always get that.

Perhaps unusually for recent winters there might be some colder than usual polar maritime incursions from the NW. There is also some spells of flabby low pressure over us which can produce some quite severe cold but may also let the  Azores HP ridge back towards us. Also to be noted is that the 850's on this current set (18z) ensembles are not much different to ours for places like Warsaw and Frankfurt. So perhaps we will have to look north and not to the East for some time yet.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
tallyho_83
11 January 2019 00:24:51

 

I’m again left wondering when the GFS OP will latch on properly because almost every run is like waiting for milk to curdle at the moment. 

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

I have been wondering that for the past week - whilst there has been some runs that denote cold zonality like what we had in Jan of 2018 and transient NW ly winds as well as slider lows there is STILL no evidence of any HLB despite Met office / BBC and many other model output forecast including longer range outlook forecast which go for cold or clearly show blocked set up's the the GFS is struggling with it!? How come? - People can't keep telling me it's too early surely? as GFS now goes out to 26th?

Meanwhile nice to see some real Sub -10 @ 850 hpa freezer of some ensembles on the 18z run, although majority are still around -5 @ 850hpa:

Some FI charts from the 18z run:

Yet again - a southerly tracking low allowing pressure to build to our north and north east as Azores HP finally retrogresses to shake hands with the E Canadian HP & GREENLAND HP:

 

 

 


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Bertwhistle
11 January 2019 06:37:56

Good morning to the 0z run; look at the mean, and the lack of spread, in the GFS ENS around 21st - 10 days away, but the clustering between -5 and -10 I would say is relatively unusual at that range.

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/chart.aspx?chart=/charts/gefs/gefsens850london0.png?cb=541

 


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roadrunnerajn
11 January 2019 06:40:59
Morning all....

The 00z GFS has variations on the same theme. Some deep cold in FI but even this gets pushed into Europe with NW-SE escalator.


Germoe, part of the breakaway Celtic Republic. 80m asl
White Meadows
11 January 2019 06:45:54

Good morning to the 0z run; look at the mean, and the lack of spread, in the GFS ENS around 21st - 10 days away, but the clustering between -5 and -10 I would say is relatively unusual at that range.

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/chart.aspx?chart=/charts/gefs/gefsens850london0.png?cb=541

 

Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 

That looks like a step backward this morning. After the 23rd the suite has shifted a few degrees milder, and on the rise generally so it’s looking short lived. Still time for flipping and flopping though. 

marting
11 January 2019 07:10:17
Highest snow rows for us today, up to 107👍

Plenty of nice GEFS out there this morning

Martin


Martin

Greasby, Wirral.

doctormog
11 January 2019 07:14:05
Steady as she goes this morning. The more unsettled weather will begin this weekend with the colder interludes from the N/NW interspersed at least initially with milder ones. Not really any change in the overall picture this morning, certainly I change in trend or timescale.
Whiteout
11 January 2019 07:21:08

Steady as she goes this morning. The more unsettled weather will begin this weekend with the colder interludes from the N/NW interspersed at least initially with milder ones. Not really any change in the overall picture this morning, certainly I change in trend or timescale.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

Those first few words are exactly what I was going to say Doc, added with excellent e46 update and a new high of snow rows on GFS ens, all is well 


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Whiteout
11 January 2019 07:24:16

That looks like a step backward this morning. After the 23rd the suite has shifted a few degrees milder, and on the rise generally so it’s looking short lived. Still time for flipping and flopping though. 

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 

Sorry, how can you say that? A couple of rogue mild runs dragging the mean around the 23rd higher, but apart from that mean of -5 or below all the way to the end with a new high of snow rows!!


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Rob K
11 January 2019 07:27:16

Rather uninspiring model output last night and this morning. Hopefully GFS is not picking up a new trend to short cold blip that never really reaches the south.

Still no sign of any meaningful northern blocking, and whatever it looks like on the charts we know that “cold zonality” doesn’t cut it in the SE so from a NIMBY perspective I’m starting to lose patience with this month. 

The snow rows might look high but if it’s from westerlies it won’t be snow down here in reality. 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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DEW
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11 January 2019 07:33:12

I think it's a pretty safe bet to now say that the second half of January will be the coldest spell of the winter so far. At the moment the period from 18th-23rd is actually looking the coldest. Nevertheless there is quite a bit of cherry picking of charts going on and some rather fanciful predictions of snowfall in specific regions at the end of January! But we always get that.

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

Colder than we've been used to, but all the interesting stuff is still FI. Keep watching, but keep your powder dry.


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Sevendust
11 January 2019 07:39:18

Rather uninspiring model output last night and this morning. Hopefully GFS is not picking up a new trend to short cold blip that never really reaches the south.

Still no sign of any meaningful northern blocking, and whatever it looks like on the charts we know that “cold zonality” doesn’t cut it in the SE so from a NIMBY perspective I’m starting to lose patience with this month. 

The snow rows might look high but if it’s from westerlies it won’t be snow down here in reality. 

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Well those are cold ensembles but the actual synoptics are messy.

Snow could easily occur in the south on frontal boundaries and other features but it's not ideal for the south as it's a very messy picture.

The north could do well though, especially at height.

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