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doctormog
10 January 2019 17:22:06

The GFSP 12z run has -10°C air almost clipping the mainland as early as +93hr. It has toyed with this idea a few times and has support from some of the other models. The change to more unsettled conditions is almost here as we get closer to mid-month. The details of what comes after is still to be established but the cold air is likely to make its way across the country to some extent at times.

Will the latter stages of this run continue the very consistent signal of deeper cold and more snowy scenarios? I would not be surprised as almost every GFSP run has.

Consistent timescale? Check!

Mid-month change to more unsettled conditions? Check!

Increasing snow risk from the north? Check!

Nailed on cold or wintry weather? Well, that’s a different matter!

Edit: Then the next more extensive cold intrusion is in by 156hrs (again only temporarily’


David M Porter
10 January 2019 17:41:03

The GFSP 12z run has -10°C air almost clipping the mainland as early as +93hr. It has toyed with this idea a few times and has support from some of the other models. The change to more unsettled conditions is almost here as we get closer to mid-month. The details of what comes after is still to be established but the cold air is likely to make its way across the country to some extent at times.

Will the latter stages of this run continue the very consistent signal of deeper cold and more snowy scenarios? I would not be surprised as almost every GFSP run has.

Consistent timescale? Check!

Mid-month change to more unsettled conditions? Check!

Increasing snow risk from the north? Check!

Nailed on cold or wintry weather? Well, that’s a different matter!

Edit: Then the next more extensive cold intrusion is in by 156hrs (again only temporarily’

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

Good post, Michael. Ties in with my own thoughts nicely.


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DPower
10 January 2019 17:41:07

Gfs 12z op run showing the sort of progression I was hoping to see albeit a few hundred miles to far east.similar to Feb 18 bfte hence my post a couple of days back of possible bitterly cold weather in place by 25th of Jan.
Far to much inconsistency from the model at the moment to be sure of anything other than its going to turn colder next week. Was hoping to see more clarity from the models, maybe para or ecm will provide that. Unless it was the gfs showing its typical progressive nature at showing cold blocked charts when a big pattern change is likely.

Rob K
10 January 2019 17:44:33
GFSP seems to have stalled at 189hrs this evening.
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soperman
10 January 2019 17:46:25

Hi Brian

Many thanks, although I am not particularly excited about any of the output at this stage!


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Whiteout
10 January 2019 17:47:21

 

Good post, Michael. Ties in with my own thoughts nicely.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

Second that. We have great runs from UKMO, GEM, GFS para against the soon to be replaced GFS. I know where my money is 


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doctormog
10 January 2019 17:47:54

While waiting for the GFSP I’m happy enough after looking at the ensemble data

Aberdeen http://modeles7.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/graphe_ens3.php?x=&ext=1&y=&run=12&lat=57.2&lon=-2.3&runpara=0

London http://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?ext=1&lat=51.5085&lon=-0.12574&ville=Londres 


Rob K
10 January 2019 17:53:44

While waiting for the GFSP I’m happy enough after looking at the ensemble data

Aberdeen http://modeles7.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/graphe_ens3.php?x=&ext=1&y=&run=12&lat=57.2&lon=-2.3&runpara=0

London http://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?ext=1&lat=51.5085&lon=-0.12574&ville=Londres 

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

Still barely any bringing the sub -10 air to the south.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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Retron
10 January 2019 17:56:49

Today's ensemble watch - very consistent, really, over the past 3 days. [Bear in mind there may be little in the way of -10C 850s, but the low pressure involved in many of them means that the -10C isotherm is closer to the ground than it would be if it were a typical easterly - this is a very different scenario!]

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Rob K
10 January 2019 18:05:21

Well, the GFSP is now out.

Spoiler: it wasn't really worth the wait! Although it does have a nice snow event around Jan 23.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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Rob K
10 January 2019 18:12:45
Not bad but long term the purple blob of doom is alive and well to the NW.

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfsp/runs/2019011012/gfsnh-0-360.png?12 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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tallyho_83
10 January 2019 18:27:17

A few colder FI's of the 12z run:

I picked out the most blocked and colder runs of all ensembles!

Beginnings of Northern blocking

 

 


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Ally Pally Snowman
10 January 2019 18:31:33

Well for what its worth snow rows upto 77 now for London on the 12z GFS 


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kmoorman
10 January 2019 18:32:53

 

 

Just looked at the snow rows for my location, well, Brighton, which is close enough.   61 - not bad.

Is there anywhere to view earlier GEFS data to compare?

Originally Posted by: kmoorman 

 

Snow rows down to 53 for Brighton this time. So has to be viewed as a (IMBY) downgrade 


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Arcus
10 January 2019 18:41:47
ECM looks similar to UKMO as far as T+144, divergent from GFS at that point and beyond.
Ben,

Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire

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kmoorman
10 January 2019 18:43:41

Well for what its worth snow rows upto 77 now for London on the 12z GFS 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

 

What was the figure from the 6z run?


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Ally Pally Snowman
10 January 2019 18:44:29

Very good ecm 192 slider territory could be quite snowy.


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Ally Pally Snowman
10 January 2019 18:45:29

 

 

What was the figure from the 6z run?

Originally Posted by: kmoorman 

71

 


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Rob K
10 January 2019 18:56:09
On both GFS and ECM everything seems to be pushing further east on today's runs, leaving us only with the scraps. ECM is almost decent.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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kmoorman
10 January 2019 19:01:10
More

Runs

Needed


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Steve Murr
10 January 2019 19:03:32
ECM / UKMO / GEM / ICON all excellent tonight - ECM has corrected west @192 allowing for the cold to remain in situ over the UK then back builds the cold west-

superb....

No sign still of that zonal reset...

Gandalf The White
10 January 2019 19:04:52

On both GFS and ECM everything seems to be pushing further east on today's runs, leaving us only with the scraps. ECM is almost decent.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

The period between T+192 and T+216 would bring a lot of snow to the east of the track of the low pressure.

 


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Ally Pally Snowman
10 January 2019 19:07:25

On both GFS and ECM everything seems to be pushing further east on today's runs, leaving us only with the scraps. ECM is almost decent.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

 

It's looking very January 2013 at the moment which is a good thing.

 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Arcus
10 January 2019 19:08:46

 

The period between T+192 and T+216 would bring a lot of snow to the east of the track of the low pressure.

 

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

Indeed - and it's clear where the Atlantic energy is going beyond that point as well. All academic of course at this range, but interesting trends.


Ben,

Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire

30m asl

kmoorman
10 January 2019 19:09:10

 

The period between T+192 and T+216 would bring a lot of snow to the east of the track of the low pressure.

 

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

 

850 temps look a little marginal 

 

Edit to add... at least down here


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