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Saint Snow
10 January 2019 15:00:15

 

Is that the last time you won the league?

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

 

Remind me who you support...


Martin

Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)

A TWO addict since 14/12/01

"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."

Aneurin Bevan

fairweather
10 January 2019 15:34:20

There is a distinct main cold cluster developing now after about the 20th in the GFS 850 hPa ensembles. Although the mean is only -5C still that will drop if this cluster does indeed become the predominant solution.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Saint Snow
10 January 2019 16:06:14

I remember in the early/mid 00's, there'd be 3 or 4 people all doing running commentary as the GFS 12z rolled out, if there was cold/snow on the cards.

Happy days!


Martin

Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)

A TWO addict since 14/12/01

"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."

Aneurin Bevan

JOHN NI
10 January 2019 16:23:37
All gone a little bit quiet in here.....
John.

The orange County of Armagh.

Whiteout
10 January 2019 16:28:26

I remember in the early/mid 00's, there'd be 3 or 4 people all doing running commentary as the GFS 12z rolled out, if there was cold/snow on the cards.

Happy days!

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

Lol, me too.

Anyway, cracking UKMO run. GFS not so good yet - surprise. Good start to the 12z though.


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Rob K
10 January 2019 16:28:32
12Z has a more powerful northern jet streak by T192, even if the southern arm has gone off to Algeria.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

backtobasics
10 January 2019 16:29:49
Certainly has and a quick check of the 12z op up to 180 is not great for coldies. The expected swings in operational output continue, as most of us are aware the ensembles are key right now to see how much support this might have. The latter part of run could still hold surprises but right now nothing is at all certain beyond a few days out ! Bonkers
ballamar
10 January 2019 16:30:09
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU12_192_1.png 

Just need that low to dive towards Italy!!

Ally Pally Snowman
10 January 2019 16:30:37

 

Lol, me too.

Anyway, cracking UKMO run. GFS not so good yet - surprise. Good start to the 12z though.

Originally Posted by: Whiteout 

 

Best GEM I've seen in a while as well although the 850s never seem cold enough.

 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Rob K
10 January 2019 16:32:18
Wasn't expecting that UKMO 144hr chart!
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

JOHN NI
10 January 2019 16:38:56
Lets face there are a wide range of options - any of which could easily come to fruition. Cold / Snowy/ Cold/ dry etc. The roller coaster goes on.....
John.

The orange County of Armagh.

doctormog
10 January 2019 16:40:41
The GFS op run has been nowhere near as consistent as the GFSP but even taking that into account the pattern is still the same. Unsettled from midmonth with colder interludes from the N/W.
Pembo
10 January 2019 16:41:48

I remember in the early/mid 00's, there'd be 3 or 4 people all doing running commentary as the GFS 12z rolled out, if there was cold/snow on the cards.

Happy days!

 

Indeed - good days. 

I too like the look of UK+144, but having watched the models for years, I never start to get excited (I mean really excited) until we see day 6 agreement in the operational output.  Add to that, you always want rid of the Azores High.   Until then, the tentative signs are encouraging but for grumpy old me, they're just that....signs.

 

Be good.  

Rob K
10 January 2019 16:41:59
Variation on a theme from GFS so far, with more stubborn mid-latitude blocking stopping the cold getting south. Annoyingly plausible.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

Stolen Snowman
10 January 2019 16:44:34

Wasn't expecting that UKMO 144hr chart!

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Things are certainly looking more interesting if it’s cold you’re after.

It also counters the belief expressed by some that because December and early January has been mild and uneventful, it can only ever continue to be like that.


Statistics prove that the period just after records began witnessed some of the most extreme weather ever recorded. Records were being broken on a frequency that has not been repeated since.

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Rob K
10 January 2019 16:52:47
The 12Z GFS op run is another impressive exercise in making cold air avoid the UK!
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

Ally Pally Snowman
10 January 2019 16:58:40

Azores high being a complete see you next Tuesday on the GFS 12z.

 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Rob K
10 January 2019 17:02:55

It's an impressive split. If the Azores High buggered off it would be fantastic.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

doctormog
10 January 2019 17:03:55
Another inconsistent run, let’s hope the GFSP can be a bit more consistent with previous output. If not we will just need to look at the ensembles and the whole swathe of output. Apart from the GFS op run all the other output is still encouraging (GEM, UKMO and ICON).
hobensotwo
10 January 2019 17:06:08

A warm air UK sandwich. You would have to say it wouldn't take much from there, to hit the jackpot:

 

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/chart.aspx?chart=///www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/gfs/12_384_mslp500.png?cb=341

 

With a nice PV split as well.. perfectly poised you have to say.

The rest of the ens will be interesting.

Just to add into the mix a little LP in the MED....

tallyho_83
10 January 2019 17:12:00

A warm air UK sandwich. You would have to say it wouldn't take much from there, to hit the jackpot:

 

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/chart.aspx?chart=///www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/gfs/12_384_mslp500.png?cb=341

 

With a nice PV split as well.. perfectly poised you have to say.

The rest of the ens will be interesting.

Just to add into the mix a little LP in the MED....

Originally Posted by: hobensotwo 

Very mild air heading our way at THE 12z FI chart if this verifies! 


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)

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hobensotwo
10 January 2019 17:12:03

It's an impressive split. If the Azores High buggered off it would be fantastic.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Yea it is a bit of a fly in the ointment.

What keeps it so pumpped up? Southern arm of the jet? 

Russwirral
10 January 2019 17:12:19

Ok.... so Im starting to see something in the charts that tallies with the LRF / SSW impact chatter / discussion consensus of around 20th Jan for something to happen 

 

17th

Netweather GFS Image

19th, notice the atlantic LPs arent really moving to the UK as quick as they were, and infact are spreading out allowing GReenHP to form. Albeit a rather crooked malformed one.

Netweather GFS Image

Beyond that it all gets a bit daft with Scandinavia in -20*c uppers off a southwesterly.  I just think thats the models shrugging the shoulders in a "i dunno" kinda fashion. As how quickly the atlantic slows down (presumably under the influence of reverse flow from the SSW) is really what we are all playing for here...  

 

But we are consistently seeing it begging to happen around the 17/18th, with colder impacts from the 20th.

This being said - despite the lovely colours, I think it will be nearer next monday / tuesday before we see anything that would resemble a forecast.


JACKO4EVER
10 January 2019 17:18:16
More substantial snowfall for the Alps if the latest output is to be believed.
tallyho_83
10 January 2019 17:20:03

More substantial snowfall for the Alps if the latest output is to be believed.

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 

Just where they don't need it!! typical really,.


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Magical Moon

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