Now, I really don't like the way that this winter is going.

 

Well, I guess that's fair comment now that a sufficient period of winter has elapsed

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Another awful day. Got to 10.8C overnight then dropped in the middle of the day then increased again. Stuck on 10.2C for over an hour 

After this rotten-to-the-core start to winter the rest of the month will need to be over 1C below average just to reach the average. Mean so far 6.4C and tomorrow will take it above the 6.6C recorded for the first week of December 2015. Mean min almost 3C above average so far with a hefty rise likely to come by tomorrow morning

Models show this coming cold spell to be a complete waste of time for this area with no accumulating snow and hardly any precipitation. Neither are remotely credible given the synoptics being modelled.

Just how the hell can Aberdeen be one of the driest places in the country over the next week given the N and NW flows predominating?

http://wxmaps.org/pix/prec4.htmlSurely this has to be nonsense.

In the unlikely event that this does come off as indicated then my interest in current weather, which is currently on life support, will end up dead and buried for good because I can’t take any more of this relentless dross.

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As the temperatures here keep on going up as the night wears on, this month is very quickly turning into December 2015 (but without all the rain which went with that) all over again. Temperatures are now 3.0°C above average at Edinburgh Gogarbank during this month so far, 2.7°C above average at Edinburgh Airport during this month so far and 2.9°C above average at the botanic gardens during this month so far. That is which almost a quarter of the month gone already and so, it is now going to take on heck of a cold rest of this month just to cool things back down to average as things stand just now.

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It's 3am and still temps are in double figures in Aberdeen!??

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It's 3am and still temps are in double figures in Aberdeen!??

I'm sure that Richard will probably have a few words to say about that on this thread tomorrow as well (you might well have just beat him to that).

Just to show how insane this situation is, our highest overnight temperatures are now up to 13.0°C at Edinburgh Gogarbank, 13°C at Edinburgh Airport and 13.7°C at the botanic gardens in Edinburgh.

In the case of the botanic gardens in Edinburgh, that is actually our highest temperature since 15 October 2017. There were a number of days even in the middle of summer which were actually cooler than that and yet, we are supposed to be in the middle of winter just now. This just shows you how utterly crazy and mixed up, our weather has become these days.

 

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Here, I can see a lot of southerners rejoicing in the fact that they might get some action from that, but my question here is why on Earth should it always be people in the south of the UK which gets all of the fun when it comes to our weather? If you go back to six months ago to the early part of the summer, I didn't hear anyone in the south complaining when they were basking in temperatures up into the mid 30s whilst here in Edinburgh, we were experiencing our wettest June on record.

Fun, eh? Yup, I'm really looking forward to days on end of cold rain as the snow-bearing lows pass harmlessly to the north! Awesome, maybe I'll have a puddle party while those "up north" are basking in their pristine white snow-fall.

You must have missed my complaints about June, as well - summer heat sucks, frankly; if you're cold in winter, put the heating on and wear a jumper. If you're fruitlessly trying to get to sleep in a room where it's 34C (good luck with that), you're utterly stuffed. It's why I bought an air-con unit a few years back, it's more than paid for itself (even though as a portable one it struggles when it'd stupidly hot - there were a couple of days where 25C was all it could manage by bedtime). I could mention too how the already insane roads around here become an utter hellhole in summer, as cranky Londoners clutter them up - and bring their enhanced road-rage with them. It's frankly miserable and it's why, when I retire, I'll be looking to move north.

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It's one reason why I kind of like the weather in Leeds - we are usually far enough south and east to join in on heatwaves, but far enough north and east, with not too low elevation, to benefit during cold spells and snowy periods.

That being said, the only places in the UK that gets really reliable snow are the top of mountains. Pretty much everywhere sucks for snow. The same is true in summer, if you want reliable sunshine and heat you have to go abroad.

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Fun, eh? Yup, I'm really looking forward to days on end of cold rain as the snow-bearing lows pass harmlessly to the north! Awesome, maybe I'll have a puddle party while those "up north" are basking in their pristine white snow-fall.

You must have missed my complaints about June, as well - summer heat sucks, frankly; if you're cold in winter, put the heating on and wear a jumper. If you're fruitlessly trying to get to sleep in a room where it's 34C (good luck with that), you're utterly stuffed. It's why I bought an air-con unit a few years back, it's more than paid for itself (even though as a portable one it struggles when it'd stupidly hot - there were a couple of days where 25C was all it could manage by bedtime). I could mention too how the already insane roads around here become an utter hellhole in summer, as cranky Londoners clutter them up - and bring their enhanced road-rage with them. It's frankly miserable and it's why, when I retire, I'll be looking to move north.

Well at least that way, you wouldn't have to be worrying about the possibility of a drought, thanks to that resulting rainfall. I know that because one of reasons why I have seen these recent drought threads appearing has been due to the lack of winter rainfall in the south in particular over the last few years (yes, I could probably include 2015/16 amongst that as well since that was a much drier winter down south than it was here) whereas summer rainfall has tended not to matter so much in these instances.

I will add as well not everyone in Scotland gets to enjoy that white pristine snow as you claim. Here in Edinburgh, we hardly ever get snow these days even when the rest of Scotland is getting it, so that should be quite a good example of this fact. However, if indeed these lows are passing in such a way that Scotland is enjoying that snowfall with just rain further south, you should at least be grateful that these setups are actually helping you to avoid these possible drought scenarios and are therefore actually better then what we have been seeing during recent winters where these systems have been even further north still with the whole of the UK being mild, Scotland getting most of the rain and the south of England being bone dry.

 

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Fun, eh? Yup, I'm really looking forward to days on end of cold rain as the snow-bearing lows pass harmlessly to the north! Awesome, maybe I'll have a puddle party while those "up north" are basking in their pristine white snow-fall.

You must have missed my complaints about June, as well - summer heat sucks, frankly; if you're cold in winter, put the heating on and wear a jumper. If you're fruitlessly trying to get to sleep in a room where it's 34C (good luck with that), you're utterly stuffed. It's why I bought an air-con unit a few years back, it's more than paid for itself (even though as a portable one it struggles when it'd stupidly hot - there were a couple of days where 25C was all it could manage by bedtime). I could mention too how the already insane roads around here become an utter hellhole in summer, as cranky Londoners clutter them up - and bring their enhanced road-rage with them. It's frankly miserable and it's why, when I retire, I'll be looking to move north.

My suggestion would be the Buxton area Darren, good altitude, beautiful countryside, well positioned to benefit from all types of wintry synoptics and central enough for you to nip back down South when required.

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My suggestion would be the Buxton area Darren, good altitude, beautiful countryside, well positioned to benefit from all types of wintry synoptics and central enough for you to nip back down South when required.

That certainly sounds appealing - Wiki says an average high of 5C in January and February, which is a degree and a half lower than the 61-90 average here (and 2½C colder than the 81-10 average)... that should certainly help with keeping things on the right side of marginal!

My dad's side of the family came from Sheffield, and having been up on the moors near there it's wonderfully invigorating. I'd imagine Buxton would be similar.

Meanwhile, back to the here and now, I'd expect this moaning thread to be quite busy early next week, if today's models are anything to go by. ECM has a lovely big warm sector across the whole of the UK on Wednesday - no worries about being a couple of hundred miles away from snow if that comes to pass!

 

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That certainly sounds appealing - Wiki says an average high of 5C in January and February, which is a degree and a half lower than the 61-90 average here (and 2½C colder than the 81-10 average)... that should certainly help with keeping things on the right side of marginal!

My dad's side of the family came from Sheffield, and having been up on the moors near there it's wonderfully invigorating. I'd imagine Buxton would be similar.

Meanwhile, back to the here and now, I'd expect this moaning thread to be quite busy early next week, if today's models are anything to go by. ECM has a lovely big warm sector across the whole of the UK on Wednesday - no worries about being a couple of hundred miles away from snow if that comes to pass!

 

"Snowiest place in England" was on our local TV news last night - apparently its Copley in County Durham. Supposedly verified by MetOffice statistics:

"Not only is it the worst in England, depending on your point of view, it is also the fifth worst in the entire UK.

Only the Cairngorms, Shetland, Fair Isle and the Orkney Islands, get more."

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/its-snowiest-place-england-its-13860988

 

 

 

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Looks like, as usual, we will miss out on the snow showers tomorrow, and we can look forward to cold rain on Sunday

Woke up to overcast skies and drizzle and a very muggy mild or warm +14c! At least we won't be seeing this in a while. Temp has dropped +1c in an hour. But horrible start to the day - so damp and gloomy as well as mild.

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That certainly sounds appealing - Wiki says an average high of 5C in January and February, which is a degree and a half lower than the 61-90 average here (and 2½C colder than the 81-10 average)... that should certainly help with keeping things on the right side of marginal!

My dad's side of the family came from Sheffield, and having been up on the moors near there it's wonderfully invigorating. I'd imagine Buxton would be similar.

 

The wider Peak District is the area I'd suggest, too - although that's because it's still south enough not to totally miss out on any summer warmth.

As you hate warmth (and do seem to love nature and the wilderness vibe) then Cumbria (tourists notwithstanding) or (less tourists) Durham or Northumberland would suit. After visiting Northumberland a few times, there are places that feel so remote there's like a frontier feeling about it!

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I'm writing this cold spell off for this neck of the woods!!

Couple chilly days and some rain.

 

I'm sure that Richard will probably have a few words to say about that on this thread tomorrow as well (you might well have just beat him to that).

Just to show how insane this situation is, our highest overnight temperatures are now up to 13.0°C at Edinburgh Gogarbank, 13°C at Edinburgh Airport and 13.7°C at the botanic gardens in Edinburgh.

In the case of the botanic gardens in Edinburgh, that is actually our highest temperature since 15 October 2017. There were a number of days even in the middle of summer which were actually cooler than that and yet, we are supposed to be in the middle of winter just now. This just shows you how utterly crazy and mixed up, our weather has become these days.

 

No, it shows that you were on the mild side of a very deep low bringing warm southerly winds, and the temperature will drop by a good 10C by this evening. Nothing "crazy" or "mixed up" about large temperature variations either side of a winter storm.

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I know I shouldn’t, but I’m getting fed up with IMBY posts. But even worse are ‘I’m glad a lot of areas will see snow’ from people well in the snow zone.
Now, raincoat and umbrella ready for a thoroughly wet and miserable Sunday.

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I know I shouldn’t, but I’m getting fed up with IMBY posts.

 

It's hard not to [edit: post from an IMBY perspective], unless you want to cover the various conditions expected across the swathe of the UK in each post. My peeve is when people don't make it clear they're talking about their particular area - many is the time I've started the morning slog through the MO thread to be met with several posts all saying the models are backing off on whatever sort of spell is forecast, only to check the output and wonder what they're talking about, before realising that for the SE corner of England it may be downgraded but for most it's still on track.

As long as people make it clear they're posting from a local perspective, I've not got a problem with it.

 

But even worse are ‘I’m glad a lot of areas will see snow’ from people well in the snow zone.

  

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No, it shows that you were on the mild side of a very deep low bringing warm southerly winds, and the temperature will drop by a good 10C by this evening. Nothing "crazy" or "mixed up" about large temperature variations either side of a winter storm.

In summer, it is light for most of the time with the Sun getting higher in the sky at midday than at any other time of year. This leaves us plenty of scope for solar heating even if there isn't a warm air mass around to warm things up.

In winter, the Sun is only above the horizon for a few hours in the middle of the day here in Scotland and is never high enough in the sky for it to be to significantly contribute towards bringing the temperature up on its own which means that we therefore have to rely on a supply of mild Atlantic air and the maritime effect in order to get any warmth at all (otherwise it would probably be as cold here is in Siberia).

Now, you have stated that I described is technically speaking, not actually crazy and mixed up, and give a very good and valid reason for why that is the case. That reason however, is something which I have always known all along. However, this still doesn't take anything from the fact that when you consider the differences between winter and summer that I have described and take that into consideration, the very concept that it is even possible for one night during the winter to be even warmer than a certain other day during the summer (and for one day in summer to be cooler than a certain other night in winter) just sounds crazy and mixed up to me, even if it technically isn't. That is why I will continue to see that as being crazy and mixed up in my books.

 

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It's hard not to, unless you want to cover the various conditions expected across the swathe of the UK in each post. My peeve is when people don't make it clear they're talking about their particular area - many is the time I've started the morning slog through the MO thread to be met with several posts all saying the models are backing off on whatever sort of spell is forecast, only to check the output and wonder what they're talking about, before realising that for the SE corner of England it may be downgraded but for most it's still on track.

As long as people make it clear they're posting from a local perspective, I've not got a problem with it.

 

 

  

😂😘

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