Col
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08 August 2013 17:48:54

Originally Posted by: ManUtdMatt1986 


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Hi all,


We're searching for Heatwave's in todays video update;


http://www.gavsweathervids.com/


Do you think we'll find any?




Well, I've had a number of people on my page saying they've heard a heat wave is on the way. Stupid media



I found an old copy of the Express at work dated 1st August saying that there was going to be a heatwave throughout the month! Good old Jonathan Powell of Positive Weather Solutions.


We got a couple (at most) days of hot weather. I know the month is far from over but the reliable timeframe of the next 5-7 days look extremely 'average'.


 


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Stormchaser
08 August 2013 18:18:26

As if the model has a sense of comic timing, it slaps 34°C over the London area right at the end of FI


http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20130808/12/372/ukmaxtemp.png


I kid you not...




Meanwhile, UKMO has improved the ridge considerably from this morning, as has GEM.


GEM continues to show a flat jet on it's 12z op run, but actually it's not far from the GFS 12z op run, and heat does build across Europe and gradually up to the UK out to day 10.


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gem/runs/2013080812/gem-0-240.png?12


I daresay that's primed and ready if the trough to the NE lifts out on days 11-12.




...so believe it or not there are signs emerging of a pattern that tends to result in a heatwave of some description across the UK. A classic model response to the Met Office stating "sorry - no heatwave in sight"


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Steam Fog
08 August 2013 18:23:17

Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


...so believe it or not there are signs emerging of a pattern that tends to result in a heatwave of some description across the UK. A classic model response to the Met Office stating "sorry - no heatwave in sight"



Stormchaser
08 August 2013 18:25:11

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1202.gif


This is so typical... the ridge is notably stronger on this run compared to the past few!


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1442.gif


Good agreement with GFS here - in fact very good. The two have moved towards each other and UKMO is standing close by


With very similar setups on day 6, let's see if ECM comes up with anything like GFS displayed... at 168 hours they're still close together but ECM is a little slower with the trough off the U.S.


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Stormchaser
08 August 2013 18:58:58

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/archives/2013080812/ECM1-240.GIF


Ends with the ridge just starting to extend on through Europe again. Still very similar to GFS - uncanny agreement between the two tonight. They're close... too close


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Polar Low
08 August 2013 19:00:20

good signs in fi the gfs mean look very good in f1 as the azores grows.


growing support in f1


not much rain either for london


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Polar Low
08 August 2013 19:07:02

Hope so in cornwall holywell bay wind surfing that week so would be very nice James


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


As if the model has a sense of comic timing, it slaps 34°C over the London area right at the end of FI


http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20130808/12/372/ukmaxtemp.png


I kid you not...




Meanwhile, UKMO has improved the ridge considerably from this morning, as has GEM.


GEM continues to show a flat jet on it's 12z op run, but actually it's not far from the GFS 12z op run, and heat does build across Europe and gradually up to the UK out to day 10.


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gem/runs/2013080812/gem-0-240.png?12


I daresay that's primed and ready if the trough to the NE lifts out on days 11-12.




...so believe it or not there are signs emerging of a pattern that tends to result in a heatwave of some description across the UK. A classic model response to the Met Office stating "sorry - no heatwave in sight"


GIBBY
08 August 2013 19:26:38

Good evening. Here is the report of the 12 noon outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Thursday August 8th 2013.


The General Situation.  All models maintain the pattern that has been projected in several consecutive runs now for the next 5 days. the UK lies under a Westerly flow with an occluded front crossing East tonight with occasional rain for many before it clears tomorrow. A fresher Westerly flow with sunshine and mainly dry weather with a few showers in the North will follow the rain as a weak ridge builds on Saturday with a dry and bright day for many. A further cold front moves SE across the UK on Sunday with further outbreaks of rain followed by a more definitive and cool NW flow with the mix of sunshine and showers  for most parts though there will never be many showers in the South.


GFS then shows a continuation of a Westerly flow through the rest of the week with a North/South split likely. As usual this would mean rain at times in the North and mostly dry and bright weather further South with average temperatures throughout the week. Through the latter part of the run pressure builds from the SW then transfers over to the East of the British Isles with increasingly fine and very warm weather likely with the occasional thunderstorm thrown into the mix at times.


The GFS Ensembles tonight show 10 days of fairly average conditions before the final few days show a warm up possible as there is a lot of split between members with the balance swayed in favour of warmer options. The pattern shown to achieve this is High pressure crossing over the South to allow a Continental Southerly flow imported late in the run. With regard to rainfall only small amounts are shown for the South while the North maintain changeable conditions with rain at times throughout.


The Jet Stream shows the flow maintained across the Atlantic and the UK for the next week or so before signs of a migration North is shown late in the run.


UKMO tonight shows a shallow High pressure over the English Channel next Wednesday with a ridge crossing East over the British Isles. It will be dry for nearly all areas with some warm sunny spells for many more especially in the South.


GEM tonight shows High pressure never far away from the South or SW with a lot of fine and dry weather for regions South of the Midlands while those in the North see the greatest risk of rain and showers at times in the westerly flow. With temperatures near to average for most the South will enjoy some warmer than average days at times.


NAVGEM too is broadly similar with any rain restricted to more Northern areas while the South sees little or no rain in bright, dry and sometimes rather warm weather.


ECM keeps the North/South divide going next week with the North in a fresh Westerly flow for much of the time with troughs crossing East periodically with some rain at times while the South sees a lot of dry and bright weather with lighter West winds and some warm sunshine with only brief cloudier and damper spells as the remains of troughs cross by. Temperatures would be close to average but a fraction above at times in the South. 


In Summary changes are only small tonight but there is some improvement towards more settled conditions lasting rather longer than has been previously shown. For the most part the overall weather pattern remains similar to what it is now with the North seeing troughs crossing East with rain followed by showers at times while the South sees some lengthy dry and potentially warm weather with spells of sunshine and only short spells of rain now and again.


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Polar Low
08 August 2013 19:40:32

Thanks Martin

Polar Low
08 August 2013 19:49:23

very intresting at the pole ecm on the left gfs right


http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~fxg1/ECMWF_0z/hgtcomp.html

Gooner
08 August 2013 19:55:01

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm961.gif


There's your heatwave



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Matty H
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08 August 2013 19:59:41
Originally Posted by: Gooner 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm961.gif 
There's your heatwave

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😂 doooooooomed
Polar Low
08 August 2013 20:05:54

Think Steve said once this site only update once a day not sure


but gfs looks quite good for London


http://www.weathercast.co.uk/services/ensemble-forecast.html

Zubzero
08 August 2013 21:43:57

Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Think Steve said once this site only update once a day not sure


but gfs looks quite good for London


http://www.weathercast.co.uk/services/ensemble-forecast.html



Thats the ensebles from GFS and ECM and updates twice a day (I think)


Looks like average late Summer weather to me. With a early taste of Autumn a bit more likely then a late Summer heatwave.

Steam Fog
09 August 2013 05:18:35
ECM 32 has apparently picked up on signal for more settled end to August.

@MattHugo81: Definitely some signs/signals for a possible pressure rise around and beyond the 20th/21st onwards. Somewhat unexpected too.

@MattHugo81: Overnight EC32 update has undergone a major shift as well since Tue update, with a signal for higher pressure/settled conditions now.

With all the usual caveats about how much faith to put in that as is always the case with any longer term output (ECM 32 or indeed GFS or ECM beyond seven days).
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09 August 2013 06:33:24
Originally Posted by: Steam Fog 

ECM 32 has apparently picked up on signal for more settled end to August.

@MattHugo81: Definitely some signs/signals for a possible pressure rise around and beyond the 20th/21st onwards. Somewhat unexpected too.

@MattHugo81: Overnight EC32 update has undergone a major shift as well since Tue update, with a signal for higher pressure/settled conditions now.

With all the usual caveats about how much faith to put in that as is always the case with any longer term output (ECM 32 or indeed GFS or ECM beyond seven days).



That's the end of our settled end to August then. Whatever he posts about that model the opposite seems to happen. It's been horrendous.

Still looking very usable for southern areas over the next week. UKMO probably the nicest this morning with much wider decent conditions next week.


idj20
09 August 2013 06:36:35

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Originally Posted by: Steam Fog 

ECM 32 has apparently picked up on signal for more settled end to August.

@MattHugo81: Definitely some signs/signals for a possible pressure rise around and beyond the 20th/21st onwards. Somewhat unexpected too.

@MattHugo81: Overnight EC32 update has undergone a major shift as well since Tue update, with a signal for higher pressure/settled conditions now.

With all the usual caveats about how much faith to put in that as is always the case with any longer term output (ECM 32 or indeed GFS or ECM beyond seven days).



That's the end of our settled end to August then. Whatever he posts about that model the opposite seems to happen. It's been horrendous.

Still looking very usable for southern areas over the next week. UKMO probably the nicest this morning with much wider decent conditions next week.



Summer has finally arrived for me, then.

But, indeed, it does look quite useable with settled and bright conditions as well as actually becoming warm at times for my neck of the woods as we go into next week. This is where I'm the most nearest to that ridge of high pressure trying to nose in from the Azores.
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Steam Fog
09 August 2013 06:46:05
Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Originally Posted by: Steam Fog 

ECM 32 has apparently picked up on signal for more settled end to August.

@MattHugo81: Definitely some signs/signals for a possible pressure rise around and beyond the 20th/21st onwards. Somewhat unexpected too.

@MattHugo81: Overnight EC32 update has undergone a major shift as well since Tue update, with a signal for higher pressure/settled conditions now.

With all the usual caveats about how much faith to put in that as is always the case with any longer term output (ECM 32 or indeed GFS or ECM beyond seven days).



That's the end of our settled end to August then. Whatever he posts about that model the opposite seems to happen. It's been horrendous.

Still looking very usable for southern areas over the next week. UKMO probably the nicest this morning with much wider decent conditions next week.



That's a bit unfair to be honest. If I remember the EC32 model was suggesting more unsettled weather in the first half of August than we had in July and that seems about right? Wouldn't assume it is going to right, wouldn't ignore it either.
Steam Fog
09 August 2013 06:48:03
Looking pretty dry for the south.

http://www.wxmaps.org/pix/prec4.html 
GIBBY
09 August 2013 07:34:19

Good morning folks. Here is the morning viewpoint from me on the latest outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Friday August 9th 2013.


The General Situation. In view that the models all look rather benign in their prospects over the next couple of weeks I will lump this morning's report into Week 1 and Week 2.


Week 1. All models show a basic pattern of Westerly winds across the UK for the whole of the coming week. The winds will veer NW on occasion as weak troughs cross East at times in the flow bringing occasional rain or showers but away from the North amounts will generally be small. There will be some fine and bright weather for all at times but these will be more lengthy over Southern Britain as High pressure lies just to the South for much of the time. Temperatures will never be excitingly high but it will feel quite warm at times in the South under any sustained brightness while the NW will feel rather cooler in the wind and cloud which will feed in from off the Atlantic throughout.


The GFS Ensembles show considerable spread between the members beyond the end of next week with some warm and sunny options shown with an overall mean rising above average in Southern Britain late in the week. The Ensemble synoptic charts indicate that an option favouring High pressure moving across the UK from the SW is most likely in 10 days or so.


The Jet Stream pattern does indeed support this evolution as after the next week of it continuing to bump into the UK from the West it rises further north towards Iceland late next week and more especially beyond.


Week 2. UKMO closes it's run with High pressure just to the SE of the UK with a warm SW flow over the UK. Southern and Eastern areas would stay dry and fine with some warm sunny spells inland while Northern and Western areas would see more cloud and maybe a little rain in the far NW. With a cold front shown out to the West this could spill rain into the north and west more generally in the day that follows the end of the run.


GEM too shows a SW flow but somewhat stronger than UKMO with cloud and light rain and drizzle at times in the North while the South and East maintain the driest and brightest weather though even here a few short cloudier spells could give a shower or the odd spot of rain and drizzle as decaying fronts pass by.


NAVGEM closes it's output with a West or SW flow covering the UK with the South seeing the best of the dry and bright weather between the cloudy damp conditions felt more frequently over Northern regions. Temperatures would be close to the seasonal average but maybe a little above at times in the SE.


ECM as has been the case for many runs now remains the most progressive in it's latter stages with a change to more unsettled weather spreading to all parts by next weekend with rain or showers for all in average temperatures and Westerly breezes.


In Summary there is little excitement in the weather to promote in the next few weeks. It looks like the UK will remain in a broad Westerly pattern with Low pressure to the North and High pressure close to the South at times. As always in these situations the strongest breezes along with the most cloud cover and rain will be in the North and West with very average temperatures here. In the South there is a much greater chance of missing most if not all of the rain with variable cloud cover, some sunny intervals and temperatures for the most part in the low 20's most days. ECM does remain the most progressive longer term model this morning continuing to suggest the South too could have some useful rain by next weekend. 


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