rockhopper
02 March 2018 12:46:05
Temperature up between 1 and 2celsius now in perth. Drizzly snizzle (no not a rapper) blowing about and all a bit miserable. Slush all around and undisturbed lying snow has consolidated. Unexpected.
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richardabdn
02 March 2018 12:59:38

Another abhorrent day of soul destroying grey skies, vile wind and useless snizzle. Just like the December spell I can’t wait for this to be over but there is no end in sight to this complete and utter hell.


At least in December there were a few days of enjoyment before it was spoilt by cold rain turning it to an icy nightmare. This has been nothing but crap right from the onset


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Bolty
02 March 2018 13:50:56

Whilst I know that these cold spells vary a lot for people, around here it has definitely been a notable event. Heavy snow showers on Tuesday and Wednesday followed by the heaviest spell of snow since January 2010 early Thursday and the Met Office's complete fail giving it a yellow warning when it should have at the very least warranted an amber. Also three ice days on the trot (Wednesday, Thursday and most likely today as well) and the coldest March day in a very long time. Yesterday well and truly proved how pathetic March 2013 was around here.

I'd imagine when the statistics come out next week, this week (Monday-Sunday) will probably finish as the coldest week in the UK since December 2010.


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telemarker
02 March 2018 14:02:37
Richardabdn
How about moving house a few miles out of Aberdeen - I live near insch, 28 miles for Aberdeen and we had had heavy snowfall for last 3 days, and road from our house Blocked by waist deep snow drifts

Nothing to moan about here
Saint Snow
02 March 2018 14:15:53

Originally Posted by: telemarker 

Richardabdn
How about moving house a few miles out of Aberdeen - I live near insch, 28 miles for Aberdeen and we had had heavy snowfall for last 3 days, and road from our house Blocked by waist deep snow drifts

Nothing to moan about here


 


You've missed the point


 




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Saint Snow
02 March 2018 14:20:44

Originally Posted by: Bolty 

Yesterday well and truly proved how pathetic March 2013 was around here.



 


Shows the variability even close by. In MBY both Jan & March 13 delivered much deeper snowfalls (3x >10cm, 1x ~5cm, one or two other coverings). We had deeper snow that this poxy spell has delivered on at three occasions in 2013/14, 2014/15, 2015/16, 2016/17 (including around 7cm on Boxing Day night 2014)


 



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andy-manc
02 March 2018 15:17:19

Looks like the latest band of showers are tracking a little too far south for MBY too. Don't even know why I'm looking. I'm a glutton for punishment

Saint Snow
02 March 2018 16:02:55

And in all those years to come, when people reference this event and talk of it being 'legendary', we'll get that plunging sensation in the pit of our stomachs as we remember our briefly-laying couple of cm's and missing out on all the snowy fun.


 



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Russwirral
02 March 2018 16:08:55

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


And in all those years to come, when people reference this event and talk of it being 'legendary', we'll get that plunging sensation in the pit of our stomachs as we remember our briefly-laying couple of cm's and missing out on all the snowy fun.


 



 


I literally no longer know what can produce snow for my area,  Ive tried everything.  



  • Frontal snow from the west - marginal

  • Frontal snow from the south - Dries out

  • Front snow from the south west - Wales shadow effect

  • Frontal snow from the east - Pennine snow effect

  • Showers from the north west - Marginal - hail and rain

  • Showers from the north - No coastal access to moisture

  • Showers from the east - Pennine shadow effect


Any of the above only applies in colder air... If this is the summer - literally no effect on precip amounts.  


 


I think everyone on this board who moans when it doesnt snow doesnt realise how lucky they are.  Snow events that you might consider rare - are maybe 10x rarer for us, yet we have to put up with cooler temps all year round.


 


This winter has been exceptional.  We have been in prime position on maybe half - a dozen times.  And weve seen little if any snowfall.  We saw 3 cms the other day.  Thats been our lot for this year.  


 


As march moves on, its beginning to become a pointless task, id rather take spring now.


Saint Snow
02 March 2018 16:20:59

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 

 


I literally no longer know what can produce snow for my area,  Ive tried everything.  



  • Frontal snow from the west - marginal

  • Frontal snow from the south - Dries out

  • Front snow from the south west - Wales shadow effect

  • Frontal snow from the east - Pennine snow effect

  • Showers from the north west - Marginal - hail and rain

  • Showers from the north - No coastal access to moisture

  • Showers from the east - Pennine shadow effect


Any of the above only applies in colder air... If this is the summer - literally no effect on precip amounts.   


I think everyone on this board who moans when it doesnt snow doesnt realise how lucky they are.  Snow events that you might consider rare - are maybe 10x rarer for us, yet we have to put up with cooler temps all year round. 


This winter has been exceptional.  We have been in prime position on maybe half - a dozen times.  And weve seen little if any snowfall.  We saw 3 cms the other day.  Thats been our lot for this year.   


As march moves on, its beginning to become a pointless task, id rather take spring now.



 


I think I'm usually (certainly in the last decade or two) in a slightly better position than you (I can recall 6 or 7 falls over 10cm in the past 10 years) but this winter has been an absolute stinker here, with even seemingly nailed-on conditions for snow in December falling as either rain, sleet or too-wet snow. Then there's this non-event. I know people joke about 'snow shields', but watching the radar has been just like watching a snow shield in action.


Give me a Greenland High with a huge Scandy Low feeding in snowy fronts on a NNW'ly any day.



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KevBrads1
02 March 2018 16:21:31

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


 


 


I literally no longer know what can produce snow for my area,  Ive tried everything.  



  • Frontal snow from the west - marginal

  • Frontal snow from the south - Dries out

  • Front snow from the south west - Wales shadow effect

  • Frontal snow from the east - Pennine snow effect

  • Showers from the north west - Marginal - hail and rain

  • Showers from the north - No coastal access to moisture

  • Showers from the east - Pennine shadow effect


Any of the above only applies in colder air... If this is the summer - literally no effect on precip amounts.  


 


I think everyone on this board who moans when it doesnt snow doesnt realise how lucky they are.  Snow events that you might consider rare - are maybe 10x rarer for us, yet we have to put up with cooler temps all year round.


 


This winter has been exceptional.  We have been in prime position on maybe half - a dozen times.  And weve seen little if any snowfall.  We saw 3 cms the other day.  Thats been our lot for this year.  


 


As march moves on, its beginning to become a pointless task, id rather take spring now.



You probably need an Arctic NW or NNWly producing a Cheshire Gap effect. When was the last time you had one of them?  A stalling front like February 1996. A polar low tracking through the Wirral into the Cheshie Gap. 


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Shropshire
02 March 2018 16:22:03

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


And in all those years to come, when people reference this event and talk of it being 'legendary', we'll get that plunging sensation in the pit of our stomachs as we remember our briefly-laying couple of cm's and missing out on all the snowy fun.


 



Well imagine living through 63 - this would be happening about twice a week for 10 weeks ! 


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andy-manc
02 March 2018 16:26:08

It is a depressing sight. No matter what direction these showers come from, they stall, falter and fail as they approach here as if there's a hidden force. I remember there was a Sunday back in December when we were absolutely nailed on for heavy snow with a weather warning and it was snatched away from us very last minute. I'm still frustrated about that and the last week has just be a joke here for such a "legendary" and "memorable" spell of weather. We've had the wind and cold...just not the pretty stuff with it.

Saint Snow
02 March 2018 16:34:20

Originally Posted by: Shropshire 


 


Well imagine living through 63 - this would be happening about twice a week for 10 weeks ! 



 


Yeah, I've been told that there was a snowfall on Boxing Day that put down about 3" and that was that for 3 months - dry as a bone and bloody cold.


 



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Shropshire
02 March 2018 16:37:06

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


 


Yeah, I've been told that there was a snowfall on Boxing Day that put down about 3" and that was that for 3 months - dry as a bone and bloody cold.


 



 


Yes a huge fall here I'm told around the 27th, but after that scraps compared to huge falls around the Birmingham area and of course West, East and South of there. 


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richardabdn
02 March 2018 18:11:17

Originally Posted by: telemarker 

Richardabdn
How about moving house a few miles out of Aberdeen - I live near insch, 28 miles for Aberdeen and we had had heavy snowfall for last 3 days, and road from our house Blocked by waist deep snow drifts

Nothing to moan about here


I would like to move to Aboyne or Ballater but don’t fancy the long commute into work every day. Shouldn’t need to though because we should be getting the snow here like we always used to.


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doctormog
02 March 2018 18:16:17
More of a snow deficit than a snow drought. It is currently snowing and there is a level 8cm in my garden. Entirely underwhelming but a good deal better than a few other places. It’s just a kick in the teeth though when there has been so much potential and it has delivered so relatively little.
richardabdn
02 March 2018 18:16:24

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


 


 


I literally no longer know what can produce snow for my area,  Ive tried everything.  



  • Frontal snow from the west - marginal

  • Frontal snow from the south - Dries out

  • Front snow from the south west - Wales shadow effect

  • Frontal snow from the east - Pennine snow effect

  • Showers from the north west - Marginal - hail and rain

  • Showers from the north - No coastal access to moisture

  • Showers from the east - Pennine shadow effect


Any of the above only applies in colder air... If this is the summer - literally no effect on precip amounts.  


 


I think everyone on this board who moans when it doesnt snow doesnt realise how lucky they are.  Snow events that you might consider rare - are maybe 10x rarer for us, yet we have to put up with cooler temps all year round.


 


This winter has been exceptional.  We have been in prime position on maybe half - a dozen times.  And weve seen little if any snowfall.  We saw 3 cms the other day.  Thats been our lot for this year.  


 


As march moves on, its beginning to become a pointless task, id rather take spring now.



Exactly the same here – nothing will deliver a decent snowfall any more. 6cm seems to be most we can expect whereas that used to be closer to the least we could expect.


Frontal snow from the west – dry due to Grampian mountains rain shadow
Frontal snow from the south – marginal usually falls as rain/sleet due to coastal influence
Front snow from the south west - dry due to Grampian mountains rain shadow
Frontal snow from the east – always rain/sleet near the coast
Showers from the north west – very few showers get through despite only the WNW being sheltered by mountains
Showers from the north – always windy now so showers blow through too quickly and aren’t as heavy or as frequent as before
Showers from the east – inexplicably avoid here but have no problem hitting everywhere else on the East coast or laughably even parts of the West coast

 

The comment about summer also applies particularly for a NW flow which is one of the wettest directions at that time of year.


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richardabdn
02 March 2018 18:20:30

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

More of a snow deficit than a snow drought. It is currently snowing and there is a level 8cm in my garden. Entirely underwhelming but a good deal better than a few other places. It’s just a kick in the teeth though when there has been so much potential and it has delivered so relatively little.


Yes, my garden being one of them. Was still at 6cm this morning but I imagine some of that will have thawed by now.


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doctormog
02 March 2018 18:24:52
My snow depth was measured accurately at 5:30pm in a number of non-drifted locations. Unfortunately the streamer that was heading this way has disintegrated somewhat but it is still giving a few showers currently. That type of thing has been the most frustrating — seeing models and forecasts promise so much just for the convergence zone or other feature to end up further north and areas to the the north, south and west getting significantly more snow. Aberdeen must have been one of the few local authorities in eastern Britain not to have had school snow days.
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