Osprey
09 February 2014 09:04:07

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3841.gif


much much later in dreamland we get an HP



That all it may be G, just a dream SM:SUNNY


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Maunder Minimum
09 February 2014 09:07:39

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 

Look at this FAX chart

http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/fax/fax24s.gif?08-18

And ask yourself, where is there any high pressure? There is not one centre of high pressure showing anywhere.

The highest isobar showing I can work out is 1028mb way down towards the Azores and that is it in that whole area which covers many hundreds of square miles.


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/fax/fax0s.gif


Isnt that one top left, can't quite see it because of the windscale info?


then this


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/fax/fax24s.gif?08-0


edging further South


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/fax/fax36s.gif?08-0


Until it is shown clearly


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/fax/fax48s.gif?08-0


 



Looked at realistically, the whole Polar vortex has taken up residence in the north Atlantic. Unfortunately, the ocean modifies the surface temperature sufficiently to give us cold rain over most of the country, instead of snow. Without that effect, we would be buried under snow by now.


New world order coming.
Osprey
09 February 2014 09:14:21

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 

Look at this FAX chart

http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/fax/fax24s.gif?08-18

And ask yourself, where is there any high pressure? There is not one centre of high pressure showing anywhere.

The highest isobar showing I can work out is 1028mb way down towards the Azores and that is it in that whole area which covers many hundreds of square miles.


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/fax/fax0s.gif


Isnt that one top left, can't quite see it because of the windscale info?


then this


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/fax/fax24s.gif?08-0


edging further South


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/fax/fax36s.gif?08-0


Until it is shown clearly


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/fax/fax48s.gif?08-0


 



Looked at realistically, the whole Polar vortex has taken up residence in the north Atlantic. Unfortunately, the ocean modifies the surface temperature sufficiently to give us cold rain over most of the country, instead of snow. Without that effect, we would be buried under snow by now.



This is a 47 and a 63 winter without the snow... SM:WACKO


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Bugglesgate
09 February 2014 09:40:16

Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


Good morning everyone. Here is the latest instalment of the output issued by the NWP at midnight on Sunday February 9th 2014 and taken from my website at http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


All models show Low pressure over Northern Scotland filling slowly with the strong Westerly flow weakening steadily with the attendant showers becoming less frequent and heavy than through the recent days. Through tonight an tomorrow Low pressure to the South makes for very slack winds across the UK with some showers still, possibly wintry over the hills but some dry, bright weather too. By Tuesday an active trough crosses East with more heavy rain, strong winds and hill snow in the North followed by a cold and showery westerly flow on Wednesday, strong again with gales in the west and snow showers over the hills.


GFS then shows that on Thursday a further vigorous depression is expected to cross East over the heart of the UK with gales and heavy rain with showers on Friday and another strong depression next weekend with yet more rain and gales. Through the lower resolution part of the run this morning's operational shows that further Low pressure brings further rain at times but then a switch to colder, drier weather is shown as pressure rises, eventually strongest to the NE but this prevents much improvement lasting long in the SW as Low pressure troughs buffers the block to the NE with further rain and perhaps snow.


The GFS Ensembles show reasonable support for a lessening in the rain amounts through the second half of the run though most members continue to show some while the colder operational run is a little isolated with most members preferring to show pressure rises from the South more likely to be responsible for the lessening rainfall with milder air.


UKMO today shows next weekend with Low pressure positioned over Southern England with plenty of unsettled weather around with rain, prolonged at heavy at times over all areas in temperatures close to or somewhat below normal especially in the North.


GEM also has Low pressure over Southern Britain next weekend with rain and showers revolving around it affecting all areas with more rain and showers and perhaps snow on hills. Through the remainder of the run the Low fills but is replaced by yet another centre down near the SW at the end of the run with further rain and showers, once more most prolific towards the South and West.


NAVGEM today also shows Low pressure well in control later in the week and next weekend with pressure trying to recover from the South, seemingly in vain as further fronts to the West supercede it in it's quest bringing more rain East over the UK in Westerly winds  and average temperatures.


ECM today does show an improvement of sorts after next weekend as the fronts and Lows move further North still bringing rain at times for a while but as we move deeper into next week a drier period looks likely as High pressure over France promotes a drier interlude. It doesn't look like lasting long though as Low pressure in the Atlantic may push this drier weather towards the NE while Low pressure moves SE towards the SW bringing a return to rain to these areas soon after termination of the run.


The ECM 9 and 10 Day Mean Charts this morning show broad support for a pressure rise to be achieved from the South just over a week from now. With probable pressure approaching 1020mbs across the South it may not be quite enough to erradicate rain bearing fronts entirely down here with even less chance towards the North as Low pressure is likely to lie somewhere to the NW but it could well slow the amounts of rain substantially to at least commence the chance of some draining of flood waters in afflicted parts of the South. Within this pattern temperatures could be rising too as winds remain lighter and from the SW.


The GFS Jet Stream Forecast shows the flow unchanged over the next week before it weakens and buckles North across the UK with perhaps more of a NE fow across the UK or to the NW late in the output.


In Summary today there remains reasonable support for marginal improvements to begin to take shape in just over a week's time as the procession of deep Low's crashing into the UK is pushed further North by a Jet Stream weakening and changing the orientation of it's flow NE to allow pressure rises to take shape from the South. In the mean time this week will produce many more headaches as further heavy rain, gales and even snow could all give problems at times. The weather will likely become drier if not entirely dry with some sunshine and temperatures recovering to average or perhaps slightly above. This improvement being quite a way out is not a done deal and there are still likely to be changes in the projections good or bad through the outputs of the upcoming week.



 


 Thanks.


 


Yes, I think  we can finally see the light at the end of this dark and dismal tunnel ! Personally I'd even settle for a prolonged  visit  from Uncie  Barty at this stage -  he'd certainly help dry things out in the West country.


 


 


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Osprey
09 February 2014 09:48:19

Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


Good morning everyone. Here is the latest instalment of the output issued by the NWP at midnight on Sunday February 9th 2014 and taken from my website at http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


All models show Low pressure over Northern Scotland filling slowly with the strong Westerly flow weakening steadily with the attendant showers becoming less frequent and heavy than through the recent days. Through tonight an tomorrow Low pressure to the South makes for very slack winds across the UK with some showers still, possibly wintry over the hills but some dry, bright weather too. By Tuesday an active trough crosses East with more heavy rain, strong winds and hill snow in the North followed by a cold and showery westerly flow on Wednesday, strong again with gales in the west and snow showers over the hills.


GFS then shows that on Thursday a further vigorous depression is expected to cross East over the heart of the UK with gales and heavy rain with showers on Friday and another strong depression next weekend with yet more rain and gales. Through the lower resolution part of the run this morning's operational shows that further Low pressure brings further rain at times but then a switch to colder, drier weather is shown as pressure rises, eventually strongest to the NE but this prevents much improvement lasting long in the SW as Low pressure troughs buffers the block to the NE with further rain and perhaps snow.


The GFS Ensembles show reasonable support for a lessening in the rain amounts through the second half of the run though most members continue to show some while the colder operational run is a little isolated with most members preferring to show pressure rises from the South more likely to be responsible for the lessening rainfall with milder air.


UKMO today shows next weekend with Low pressure positioned over Southern England with plenty of unsettled weather around with rain, prolonged at heavy at times over all areas in temperatures close to or somewhat below normal especially in the North.


GEM also has Low pressure over Southern Britain next weekend with rain and showers revolving around it affecting all areas with more rain and showers and perhaps snow on hills. Through the remainder of the run the Low fills but is replaced by yet another centre down near the SW at the end of the run with further rain and showers, once more most prolific towards the South and West.


NAVGEM today also shows Low pressure well in control later in the week and next weekend with pressure trying to recover from the South, seemingly in vain as further fronts to the West supercede it in it's quest bringing more rain East over the UK in Westerly winds  and average temperatures.


ECM today does show an improvement of sorts after next weekend as the fronts and Lows move further North still bringing rain at times for a while but as we move deeper into next week a drier period looks likely as High pressure over France promotes a drier interlude. It doesn't look like lasting long though as Low pressure in the Atlantic may push this drier weather towards the NE while Low pressure moves SE towards the SW bringing a return to rain to these areas soon after termination of the run.


The ECM 9 and 10 Day Mean Charts this morning show broad support for a pressure rise to be achieved from the South just over a week from now. With probable pressure approaching 1020mbs across the South it may not be quite enough to erradicate rain bearing fronts entirely down here with even less chance towards the North as Low pressure is likely to lie somewhere to the NW but it could well slow the amounts of rain substantially to at least commence the chance of some draining of flood waters in afflicted parts of the South. Within this pattern temperatures could be rising too as winds remain lighter and from the SW.


The GFS Jet Stream Forecast shows the flow unchanged over the next week before it weakens and buckles North across the UK with perhaps more of a NE fow across the UK or to the NW late in the output.


In Summary today there remains reasonable support for marginal improvements to begin to take shape in just over a week's time as the procession of deep Low's crashing into the UK is pushed further North by a Jet Stream weakening and changing the orientation of it's flow NE to allow pressure rises to take shape from the South. In the mean time this week will produce many more headaches as further heavy rain, gales and even snow could all give problems at times. The weather will likely become drier if not entirely dry with some sunshine and temperatures recovering to average or perhaps slightly above. This improvement being quite a way out is not a done deal and there are still likely to be changes in the projections good or bad through the outputs of the upcoming week.



 


 Thanks.


 


Yes, I think  we can finally see the light at the end of this dark and dismal tunnel ! Personally I'd even settle for a prolonged  visit  from Uncie  Barty at this stage -  he'd certainly help dry things out in the West country.


 


 



SM:ROCKONI thought the "pendantics" didn't like the word "Uncle"?


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Scandy 1050 MB
09 February 2014 09:48:43

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3841.gif


much much later in dreamland we get an HP



Intresting  - second time GFS has shown that, is it a recurring hint for a show of late winter chill at the end of the month? If nothing else it would be DRIER! Unlikely to verify of course but definitely a signal for high pressure to be near us somewhere at the end of the month on the last few runs.

Osprey
09 February 2014 09:57:23

Originally Posted by: Scandy 1050 MB 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3841.gif


much much later in dreamland we get an HP



Intresting  - second time GFS has shown that, is it a recurring hint for a show of late winter chill at the end of the month? If nothing else it would be DRIER! Unlikely to verify of course but definitely a signal for high pressure to be near us somewhere at the end of the month on the last few runs.


Maybe it's me looking too deep but I notice a "now you see it now you don't" modeling with GFS.


IIRC Yesterday there was an absence of HP?


Could have been after I hit my thumb with an axe, with sqinting eyes, I missed them...


 


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Gooner
09 February 2014 10:26:52

Originally Posted by: Osprey 


Originally Posted by: Scandy 1050 MB 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3841.gif


much much later in dreamland we get an HP



Intresting  - second time GFS has shown that, is it a recurring hint for a show of late winter chill at the end of the month? If nothing else it would be DRIER! Unlikely to verify of course but definitely a signal for high pressure to be near us somewhere at the end of the month on the last few runs.


Maybe it's me looking too deep but I notice a "now you see it now you don't" modeling with GFS.


IIRC Yesterday there was an absence of HP?


Could have been after I hit my thumb with an axe, with sqinting eyes, I missed them...


 



In the Operational maybe


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
09 February 2014 10:29:17

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn541.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn543.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn544.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn5417.gif


Tuesday looks a cold day , snow further North, not too sure how much the Beeb will make of it in the CF forecast


 


 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
09 February 2014 10:30:56

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn901.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn904.gif


More heavy rain crosses the UK , miserable spell we are having


 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
09 February 2014 10:33:10

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1261.gif


And then anotther LP


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1264.gif


Heaviest rain in the South


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1324.gif


Before moving North


 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
09 February 2014 10:37:52

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1861.gif


Doesn't look much of a threat


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1864.gif


More rain rain rain


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Ally Pally Snowman
09 February 2014 10:40:42
Originally Posted by: Gooner 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn541.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn543.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn544.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn5417.gif


Tuesday looks a cold day , snow further North, not too sure how much the Beeb will make of it in the CF forecast


 


 




So close to a snow event there. Could be quite a bit for the hills but looks like cold rain for most sums up this winter.


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Gooner
09 February 2014 10:43:16

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn541.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn543.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn544.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn5417.gif


Tuesday looks a cold day , snow further North, not too sure how much the Beeb will make of it in the CF forecast


 


 





So close to a snow event there. Could be quite a bit for the hills but looks like cold rain for most sums up this winter.


http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/2014/02/09/basis06/ukuk/rart/14021112_2_0906.gif


Mainly further North , might see a flake fly past but that is about it


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Quantum
09 February 2014 12:00:17

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn541.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn543.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn544.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn5417.gif


Tuesday looks a cold day , snow further North, not too sure how much the Beeb will make of it in the CF forecast


 


 





So close to a snow event there. Could be quite a bit for the hills but looks like cold rain for most sums up this winter.


http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/2014/02/09/basis06/ukuk/rart/14021112_2_0906.gif


Mainly further North , might see a flake fly past but that is about it



To be honest Gooner, I am not too optimistic you will see anything where you are based. I think most of the snow will be north of south yorkshire, unless you live in Ireland. The ECM is the best bet, which has snow much more widely than the GFS, but it seems to be out on its own. 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
moomin75
09 February 2014 12:04:12

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn541.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn543.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn544.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn5417.gif


Tuesday looks a cold day , snow further North, not too sure how much the Beeb will make of it in the CF forecast


 


 





So close to a snow event there. Could be quite a bit for the hills but looks like cold rain for most sums up this winter.


http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/2014/02/09/basis06/ukuk/rart/14021112_2_0906.gif


Mainly further North , might see a flake fly past but that is about it



To be honest Gooner, I am not too optimistic you will see anything where you are based. I think most of the snow will be north of south yorkshire, unless you live in Ireland. The ECM is the best bet, which has snow much more widely than the GFS, but it seems to be out on its own. 


God I really hope he doesn't get anything...He loves taking the p**s out of me when he gets snow, while 20 miles down the road I get flooded out!


No offence Marcus, but I will be praying you have to suffer the same deluge as me!


(Jokes of course)!


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
Charmhills
09 February 2014 12:13:34

Still looking very unsettled with plenty of heavy rain to come and the threat of damaging winds to.


Something possibly drier in FI but there does remain some doubt though.


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Quantum
09 February 2014 12:23:16

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn541.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn543.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn544.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn5417.gif


Tuesday looks a cold day , snow further North, not too sure how much the Beeb will make of it in the CF forecast


 


 





So close to a snow event there. Could be quite a bit for the hills but looks like cold rain for most sums up this winter.


http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/2014/02/09/basis06/ukuk/rart/14021112_2_0906.gif


Mainly further North , might see a flake fly past but that is about it



To be honest Gooner, I am not too optimistic you will see anything where you are based. I think most of the snow will be north of south yorkshire, unless you live in Ireland. The ECM is the best bet, which has snow much more widely than the GFS, but it seems to be out on its own. 


God I really hope he doesn't get anything...He loves taking the p**s out of me when he gets snow, while 20 miles down the road I get flooded out!


No offence Marcus, but I will be praying you have to suffer the same deluge as me!


(Jokes of course)!



Most likely looks that way; the metoffice isn't even buying snow in N england or Ireland and is restricting it to the highlands of scotland. 


One can't really disagree with the metoffice, but at the same time I have to go on the data thats publically avalible; based on that Ireland (especially the NE), Scotland and N england looks most at risk.


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Ally Pally Snowman
09 February 2014 12:50:34

Some signs now of temps rising as we head through February. Could be a very mild end of the month. Not much sign in these ensembles of anything remotely cold.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2402.html 

http://www.knmi.nl/exp/pluim/vijftiendaagse/index.php 
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
nickl
09 February 2014 12:54:50
Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Some signs now of temps rising as we head through February. Could be a very mild end of the month. Not much sign in these ensembles of anything remotely cold.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2402.html 

http://www.knmi.nl/exp/pluim/vijftiendaagse/index.php 



There is a cold cluster on the London ens but the average to mild are more numerous ( though there is a noticeable split)


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