Medlock Vale Weather
09 February 2014 20:36:31
LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
09 February 2014 20:38:40
It looks certainly surely truly has been evidenced that yesterday and today the major annual stratospheric warming event has happened, plus San Francisco and California are having wet and rainy weather west flow and now fliw Jetstream in E NE Pacific plus USA and Vanada plus Europe North Atlantic Polar frontal Jetstream very strong and West NW flows tracking SE East and NE at times.

Winter Wonderland possible in two weeks time!!.

Heavy snows and very cold weather for Alaska and Central to NE USA and Greenland to Iceland and also Svalbard SE Arctic NE Atlantic plus NE Urope cold NW plunges hippy hooray.

This pattern change Jetstream Amplification will advection cold Arctic Air Southwards as High Pressure in the Arctic & Northern Landmasses Continental cold pools with frost and snowfalls is likely I two weeks time well don Stratosphere- three weeks later than 2013 in January!.
Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
GIBBY
09 February 2014 20:45:30

Hi everyone. Will the improvements of this morning be built upon tonight? Here is my take on that very question as I review the latest outputs of the NWP based on their midday outputs for today Sunday February 9th 2014.


All models show the weekend Low pressure now filling to the North while another tracks East to the South with the UK falling under an area of slack pressure for the next 36 hours. Some rain or wintry showers will still be scattered about, particularly near Western coasts and with some light rain for a time in the SE tomorrow morning. On Tuesday an active front moves East with strong winds ahead of it together with another spell of heavy rain and snow over the hills and in the North. By Wednesday the UK lies under a cold and showery Westerly flow with wintry showers giving some snowfall over hills, again chiefly in the North. Then overnight Wednesday into Thursday another active weather feature moves across the UK with renewed rain and gales followed by showers once more later in the day.


GFS then ends the week with further Low pressure, gales and heavy rain before the weather improves somewhat late in the weekend though with some showers in the North as Low pressure moves further North than of late with Higher pressure to the South. Through the lower resolution part of the run tonight High pressure again features eventually settling over the UK with rather cold weather with frost and fog at night but dry for most.


The GFS Ensembles tonight offer two weeks of fairly average values though after the mid point of the run this is made up from a wide spread between members with some very cold options being shown including the control run. Rainfall remains stubbornly present over the period but not as excessive as of late.


UKMO shows next Saturday as a very showery and rather chilly day as Low pressure is positioned out in the North Sea with strong West veering NW winds through the day. A ridge of High pressure over the Atlantic on Saturday should give a drier interlude next Sunday.


GEM tonight shows no relief of note within it's output period with intense Low pressure with attendant severe gales and rain give way to further unsettled weather with rain and showers at times thereafter. rather cold weather with snow on the hills next weekend will probably give way to slightly milder weather as we enter Week 2.


NAVGEM also shows little signs of change next weekend with any rise of pressure limited or muted in the face of further troughs and rain at times to end the run early next week.


ECM tonight shows the unsettled period lessening as we move into next week as at long last something of a ridge moves up from the SW pushing the rain bearing systems on more of their usual route towards Iceland and affecting the NW most while the South and East see something of a much more meaningful respite.


The ECM 9 and 10 Day Mean Charts show an improvement to those of late but not as good as i would like to see to guarantee drier weather over the UK. The charts both show a bias towards Low pressure to the NW and an unstable SW flow over the UK enabling futher rain bearing troughs to cross the UK from the SW at times.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.gif
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


The GFS Jet Stream Forecast shows no change to the flow this week, maintained in it's current position South of the UK. Through Week 2 the flow buckles and becomes much more ill defined with time with no coherent pattern indicated.


In Summary tonight there is still an element of improvement still shown from some output, more notably from GFS and ECM. We must remember though we are talking about periods of time outside of the reliable time period still and it won't be until we are nearing midweek that we need the above improvements to still be shown, by which time they can be taken more seriously. In the mean time there is another week or so of misery and more heavy rain and indeed snow for some to get through which is far from welcome before 'maybe' we can look forward to something better.


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Hungry Tiger
09 February 2014 21:21:49

Just saw the Countryfile Forecast before Top Gear.


Seems like there are 3 if not 4 periods of wet weather for Central and Southern England between now and this time next week.


If it comes off - I am guessing that I reckon I might see at total of at least 2 inches of rain in that lot - possibly 3 inches.


That's more than enough to trigger severe flooding throughout East Anglia and the Fens.


 


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jondg14
09 February 2014 22:01:51

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


Just saw the Countryfile Forecast before Top Gear.


Seems like there are 3 if not 4 periods of wet weather for Central and Southern England between now and this time next week.


If it comes off - I am guessing that I reckon I might see at total of at least 2 inches of rain in that lot - possibly 3 inches.


That's more than enough to trigger severe flooding throughout East Anglia and the Fens.


 



It's not looking clever.


18z GFS makes a particularly big deal of the system on Wednesday


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014020918/gfs-0-72.png?18

David M Porter
09 February 2014 22:30:24

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


Just saw the Countryfile Forecast before Top Gear.


Seems like there are 3 if not 4 periods of wet weather for Central and Southern England between now and this time next week.


If it comes off - I am guessing that I reckon I might see at total of at least 2 inches of rain in that lot - possibly 3 inches.


That's more than enough to trigger severe flooding throughout East Anglia and the Fens.


 



I hope that your area will be OK, Gavin. We could really do with some kind of an improvement commencing this coming week but sadly that doesn't look like happening. Let's just hope that the hints of a change towards the end of February that the GFS is currently indicating are shoen consistently by the models in the coming days and that it eventually comes into the reliable timeframe.


This winter IMO has been like 2012's weather revisited, only even worse than that. Awful.


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ITSY
09 February 2014 22:54:36

Well I was the first to comment on the successive lows forecast by the 12Z run, but as I've been slow off the mark tonight I'm not sure quite what to add. It is very rare to say such a thing, but by Saturday, if this run verifies, almost anywhere in England south of Birmingham, and almost anywhere away from the Hills in Wales could experience flooding. Astonishing really. The Severn, Thames Valley and Somerset Levels in particular look vulnerable, but even EA and the Midlands look threantened now. 

Gooner
09 February 2014 23:14:18
LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
09 February 2014 23:16:42
There is no one that has anything worse to say about this winter other than the fact that what we have got already and what the next 7 days or maybe even 9'days ahead are to bring for the UK, the flooding rains look as menacing as hurricane Haiyaan has been to Japan, given what the next 6 days model forecasts are expected to bring (at least if not upto include days 9 and 10 from now) the level of flooding the widespread affected areas and the damage to UK economy from all this it very very bad news indeed.

We seem to be in a climate phase where a colder Northern Hemisphere in some parts and so,e parts where too much low pressure high winds and frequent low pressure leads to many storms, just like that were during the colder phases say last 7000 years or upto 10,000 years, if the climate research measured in Greenland and Northern Meditteranean is concerned- they say less intense severe storms occurred during periods of warming.

Go and have a look at recent articles on the watchers adorraeli to know more about where in our climate we are now think about cold winter storms and less cold winter storms occurring in the same winter's in the for example Northern hemisphere!.

http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2014/02/07/global-warming-actually-decreases-storm-activity-says-science-paper/ 

No comments are welcome, the above does educate us.

But as we all know the next 7 days are looking very nasty and I commend those who are in the army now and the other's who can provide more stronger coastal and inland flood defences etc.

We will see as we get to see it unfold, I have faith in those who dare to support those in great need, a lot of major rivers are already well overflowing and flooding areas including Gloucestershire like they had been in 2007.
Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
tallyho_83
09 February 2014 23:20:33

BBC weather week ahead graphics never showed this but Helen Willet's did mention snow over the hills but this chart shows snow as far south as Devon for Thursday afternoon/evening:


http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20140209/18/93/prectypeuktopo.png


http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20140209/18/96/prectypeuktopo.png


 


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Gooner
09 February 2014 23:25:17

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


BBC weather week ahead graphics never showed this but Helen Willet's did mention snow over the hills but this chart shows snow as far south as Devon for Thursday afternoon/evening:


http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20140209/18/93/prectypeuktopo.png


http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20140209/18/96/prectypeuktopo.png


 



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Stormchaser
09 February 2014 23:39:20

That moment when you accidently click the cross to close a tab which contains a lengthy forum post 


...but of course, there are far worse problems in this world! 


 


 


Speaking of which... quick summary will have to suffice:


http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2014020918/168-777UK.GIF?09-18


http://wxmaps.org/pix/prec4.html


26-80mm from NE to SW across England and Wales, over 300% of the average in the south... a familiar story, except that it's wetter for the NE than we've seen for some time, which reflects the fact that systems look to be tracking quickly across the country, taking the fronts further before they fade and with less dependency on showers (which have, bar the odd exception, been remarkably feeble in the return polar maritime airmasses of late).


 


For some time I was considering whether I should head home to survey the floods this weekend or next. I stayed in Reading this weekend - where the Thames is at extraordinarily high levels and has flooded some local businesses - and it looks like I may have made the right choice, as the Avon is proving slow to respond as usual and typically requires a lot of groundwater flow from events 5-10 days previously in order to achieve exceptional levels during periods of high rainfall totals.


By next weekend we could be seeing some dramatic scenes across wide areas. The system around Friday/Saturday could scoop up an awful lot of moisture, with +5 Celsius uppers possibly getting in on the act... yikes.


 


As always best of luck to everyone at risk.


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roger63
10 February 2014 07:52:03

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=240&mode=1&map=0&type=0&archive=0


This mornings ECM offering a liitle respite?


However GEFS has liitle hope with 70% of ENS in FI still zonal.Slight shift north in LP tracks and some HP build to S  and SE but no real game changer fro the third week of February.

GIBBY
10 February 2014 08:41:40

Good morning. Here is today's look at the midnight outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Monday February 10th 2014 and lifted from my website at http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


All models agree on the basic sequence of events over the coming working week with today likely to be the best of the weather. A weak westerly or NW flow lies across the UK with a weak trough in the SE giving some light rain and showery troughs near the West giving some wintry showers but with a lot of dry and bright weather too. Tonight and tomorrow shows an active trough sweeping East with gales and rain clearing to wintry showers for all tomorrow in a blustery west wind. Showers on Wednesday then give way to a spell of potentially stormy weather late Wednesday and into Thursday with very heavy rain, snow on Northern hills and once more followed by wintry showers from the West. Late in the week a repeat performance looks likely as we reach the weekend.


GFS then shows next weekend as a cold and showery one with wintry showers for many with snow on hills in the North accumulating in places. Early next week a new Low brings more prolonged rain and snow across the South followed by a more coherent spell of dry weather with frosty nights and bright days for a day or two. Then to end the run Atlantic wind and rains return in a blustery WSW flow with Low pressure areas to the North moving East.


The GFS Ensembles show little encouragement for those looking for dry or indeed deeply colder weather as all indications point to more unsettled weather with rain at times and temperatures eventually back to very average values in mostly Westerly winds.


UKMO today has a cold NW flow across the British Isles with sunshine and wintry showers across the UK next Sunday, especially in the North and West before a brief ridge approaches from the West later with a short drier interlude and perhaps a frost next Sunday night.


GEM today is broadly similar to UKMO for next Sunday with a showery NW flow giving way to a ridge of High pressure from the West before more Atlantic troughs maintain an unsettled feel to the weather next week with further rain and showers at times in possible strong winds too.


NAVGEM ends it's run this morning with Low pressure out to the NW  and a milder SW flow bringing rain at times in blustery winds across the UK again next week after a rather cold and showery weekend.


ECM still shows slow improvements from the South next week but we may well have to be patient as Low pressure remains resilient to a pressure rise from the South with rain at times still likely as far out as the middle of next week.


The ECM 9 and 10 Day Mean Charts today show very similar conditions expected in 9 and 10 days time that was shown in previous days output. Low pressure is biased towards being to the North of the UK with a WSW flow over the UK with bands of rain and showers expected in such conditions. the bias of worst rains should shift more towards the NW rather than SW as the Jet by then has shifted somewhat further North.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.gif
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


The GFS Jet Stream Summary shows the flow remaining in situ for the next week or so pumping across the Atlantic and France. The push Northward is still shown next week but it is weaker than was shown yesterday with the main thinking being for it to cross the UK next week in a WW to ENE direction.


In Summary this morning there remains a lot of unsettled weather to get through before there is any chance of improvements. Through this week several bouts of wind and rain will cross the UK, heavy and disruptive at times and giving some snowfall in places too, chiefly in the North. there is still a muted approach to somewhat better conditions next week, at least at times as pressure attempts to rise from the South. However, if anything such improvements shown are less pronounced this morning as it appears the Atlantic is likely to remain quite strong, continuing to throw spells of rain East across the UK on occasion.


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Osprey
10 February 2014 09:10:53

Thank you Martin


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ARTzeman
10 February 2014 09:12:43

Thank you Martin.   The out put is a good warning for the area.. No need to look at  charts for me other than the Fax charts...






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Ally Pally Snowman
10 February 2014 10:59:29
Wednesday evening looking very windy. 140kph gusts in the Bristol Channel 120 kph gusts over a wide area

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