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David M Porter
09 February 2014 22:30:24

Just saw the Countryfile Forecast before Top Gear.

Seems like there are 3 if not 4 periods of wet weather for Central and Southern England between now and this time next week.

If it comes off - I am guessing that I reckon I might see at total of at least 2 inches of rain in that lot - possibly 3 inches.

That's more than enough to trigger severe flooding throughout East Anglia and the Fens.

 

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 

I hope that your area will be OK, Gavin. We could really do with some kind of an improvement commencing this coming week but sadly that doesn't look like happening. Let's just hope that the hints of a change towards the end of February that the GFS is currently indicating are shoen consistently by the models in the coming days and that it eventually comes into the reliable timeframe.

This winter IMO has been like 2012's weather revisited, only even worse than that. Awful.


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ITSY
09 February 2014 22:54:36

Well I was the first to comment on the successive lows forecast by the 12Z run, but as I've been slow off the mark tonight I'm not sure quite what to add. It is very rare to say such a thing, but by Saturday, if this run verifies, almost anywhere in England south of Birmingham, and almost anywhere away from the Hills in Wales could experience flooding. Astonishing really. The Severn, Thames Valley and Somerset Levels in particular look vulnerable, but even EA and the Midlands look threantened now. 

Gooner
09 February 2014 23:14:18
LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
09 February 2014 23:16:42
There is no one that has anything worse to say about this winter other than the fact that what we have got already and what the next 7 days or maybe even 9'days ahead are to bring for the UK, the flooding rains look as menacing as hurricane Haiyaan has been to Japan, given what the next 6 days model forecasts are expected to bring (at least if not upto include days 9 and 10 from now) the level of flooding the widespread affected areas and the damage to UK economy from all this it very very bad news indeed.

We seem to be in a climate phase where a colder Northern Hemisphere in some parts and so,e parts where too much low pressure high winds and frequent low pressure leads to many storms, just like that were during the colder phases say last 7000 years or upto 10,000 years, if the climate research measured in Greenland and Northern Meditteranean is concerned- they say less intense severe storms occurred during periods of warming.

Go and have a look at recent articles on the watchers adorraeli to know more about where in our climate we are now think about cold winter storms and less cold winter storms occurring in the same winter's in the for example Northern hemisphere!.

http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2014/02/07/global-warming-actually-decreases-storm-activity-says-science-paper/ 

No comments are welcome, the above does educate us.

But as we all know the next 7 days are looking very nasty and I commend those who are in the army now and the other's who can provide more stronger coastal and inland flood defences etc.

We will see as we get to see it unfold, I have faith in those who dare to support those in great need, a lot of major rivers are already well overflowing and flooding areas including Gloucestershire like they had been in 2007.


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.

tallyho_83
09 February 2014 23:20:33

BBC weather week ahead graphics never showed this but Helen Willet's did mention snow over the hills but this chart shows snow as far south as Devon for Thursday afternoon/evening:

http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20140209/18/93/prectypeuktopo.png

http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20140209/18/96/prectypeuktopo.png

 


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Gooner
09 February 2014 23:25:17

BBC weather week ahead graphics never showed this but Helen Willet's did mention snow over the hills but this chart shows snow as far south as Devon for Thursday afternoon/evening:

http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20140209/18/93/prectypeuktopo.png

http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20140209/18/96/prectypeuktopo.png

 

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

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Stormchaser
09 February 2014 23:39:20

That moment when you accidently click the cross to close a tab which contains a lengthy forum post 

...but of course, there are far worse problems in this world! 

 

 

Speaking of which... quick summary will have to suffice:

http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2014020918/168-777UK.GIF?09-18

http://wxmaps.org/pix/prec4.html

26-80mm from NE to SW across England and Wales, over 300% of the average in the south... a familiar story, except that it's wetter for the NE than we've seen for some time, which reflects the fact that systems look to be tracking quickly across the country, taking the fronts further before they fade and with less dependency on showers (which have, bar the odd exception, been remarkably feeble in the return polar maritime airmasses of late).

 

For some time I was considering whether I should head home to survey the floods this weekend or next. I stayed in Reading this weekend - where the Thames is at extraordinarily high levels and has flooded some local businesses - and it looks like I may have made the right choice, as the Avon is proving slow to respond as usual and typically requires a lot of groundwater flow from events 5-10 days previously in order to achieve exceptional levels during periods of high rainfall totals.

By next weekend we could be seeing some dramatic scenes across wide areas. The system around Friday/Saturday could scoop up an awful lot of moisture, with +5 Celsius uppers possibly getting in on the act... yikes.

 

As always best of luck to everyone at risk.


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roger63
10 February 2014 07:52:03

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=240&mode=1&map=0&type=0&archive=0

This mornings ECM offering a liitle respite?

However GEFS has liitle hope with 70% of ENS in FI still zonal.Slight shift north in LP tracks and some HP build to S  and SE but no real game changer fro the third week of February.

GIBBY
10 February 2014 08:41:40

Good morning. Here is today's look at the midnight outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Monday February 10th 2014 and lifted from my website at http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/Model-Analysis(2859336).htm

All models agree on the basic sequence of events over the coming working week with today likely to be the best of the weather. A weak westerly or NW flow lies across the UK with a weak trough in the SE giving some light rain and showery troughs near the West giving some wintry showers but with a lot of dry and bright weather too. Tonight and tomorrow shows an active trough sweeping East with gales and rain clearing to wintry showers for all tomorrow in a blustery west wind. Showers on Wednesday then give way to a spell of potentially stormy weather late Wednesday and into Thursday with very heavy rain, snow on Northern hills and once more followed by wintry showers from the West. Late in the week a repeat performance looks likely as we reach the weekend.

GFS then shows next weekend as a cold and showery one with wintry showers for many with snow on hills in the North accumulating in places. Early next week a new Low brings more prolonged rain and snow across the South followed by a more coherent spell of dry weather with frosty nights and bright days for a day or two. Then to end the run Atlantic wind and rains return in a blustery WSW flow with Low pressure areas to the North moving East.

The GFS Ensembles show little encouragement for those looking for dry or indeed deeply colder weather as all indications point to more unsettled weather with rain at times and temperatures eventually back to very average values in mostly Westerly winds.

UKMO today has a cold NW flow across the British Isles with sunshine and wintry showers across the UK next Sunday, especially in the North and West before a brief ridge approaches from the West later with a short drier interlude and perhaps a frost next Sunday night.

GEM today is broadly similar to UKMO for next Sunday with a showery NW flow giving way to a ridge of High pressure from the West before more Atlantic troughs maintain an unsettled feel to the weather next week with further rain and showers at times in possible strong winds too.

NAVGEM ends it's run this morning with Low pressure out to the NW  and a milder SW flow bringing rain at times in blustery winds across the UK again next week after a rather cold and showery weekend.

ECM still shows slow improvements from the South next week but we may well have to be patient as Low pressure remains resilient to a pressure rise from the South with rain at times still likely as far out as the middle of next week.

The ECM 9 and 10 Day Mean Charts today show very similar conditions expected in 9 and 10 days time that was shown in previous days output. Low pressure is biased towards being to the North of the UK with a WSW flow over the UK with bands of rain and showers expected in such conditions. the bias of worst rains should shift more towards the NW rather than SW as the Jet by then has shifted somewhat further North.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.gif
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif

The GFS Jet Stream Summary shows the flow remaining in situ for the next week or so pumping across the Atlantic and France. The push Northward is still shown next week but it is weaker than was shown yesterday with the main thinking being for it to cross the UK next week in a WW to ENE direction.

In Summary this morning there remains a lot of unsettled weather to get through before there is any chance of improvements. Through this week several bouts of wind and rain will cross the UK, heavy and disruptive at times and giving some snowfall in places too, chiefly in the North. there is still a muted approach to somewhat better conditions next week, at least at times as pressure attempts to rise from the South. However, if anything such improvements shown are less pronounced this morning as it appears the Atlantic is likely to remain quite strong, continuing to throw spells of rain East across the UK on occasion.


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Osprey
10 February 2014 09:10:53

Thank you Martin


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ARTzeman
10 February 2014 09:12:43

Thank you Martin.   The out put is a good warning for the area.. No need to look at  charts for me other than the Fax charts...




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Ally Pally Snowman
10 February 2014 10:59:29
Wednesday evening looking very windy. 140kph gusts in the Bristol Channel 120 kph gusts over a wide area

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/royaume-uni/vent-rafales/60h.htm 


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Charmhills
10 February 2014 11:05:42

Northern blocking to in deep fi.

Changeable fi though but never properly settled.


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roger63
10 February 2014 12:08:30

Northern blocking to in deep fi.

Changeable fi though but never properly settled.

Originally Posted by: roger63 

ENS in FI on 06h show a 50:50 split zonal:anticyclonic. One off ortstart of a trend to more settled outlook?

LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
10 February 2014 12:16:22
This article definately has a lot to say about it:

http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2014/02/07/global-warming-actually-decreases-storm-activity-says-science-paper/ 

I have posted this earlier in the M.O. discussion, it appears the North Atlantic is going cold and Stormy and it is not have anything to do with Global Warming!.

But do worry about floods and then cold and snowy after it, say late winter and two thirds of spring could be...anyone looking for warm and sunny ahem, you likely are to see the cold and wintry instead, but for another two weeks it will not be that cold but at times chilly instead!, mild weather will reduce...


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.

RobN
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10 February 2014 12:53:55

Northern blocking to in deep fi.

Changeable fi though but never properly settled.

Originally Posted by: Charmhills 

ENS in FI on 06h show a 50:50 split zonal:anticyclonic. One off ortstart of a trend to more settled outlook?

Originally Posted by: roger63 

Yes an increasing number of GEFS members in far FI supporting a cold push from the east - not all of which reach our shores of course

http://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_panel.php?modele=0&mode=0&ech=384


Rob

In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.

ITSY
10 February 2014 12:59:14

GEM's midnight run ain't pretty, and although the GFS is toned down a touch, the outlook is still woeful. Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday look severe, with Thursday a rainy day but with question marks over its intensity. I wonder how long the lag time will be for Somerset, the Thames Valley and the Severn - it surely won't be too long, and the severity of the flood situation, if it improves tomorrow, will go downhill again by Wednesday.

Russwirral
10 February 2014 13:11:22

Big swings in the Ensembles like this to me mean only one thing.

 

High pressure building close to the UK?

 

http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/ensimages/ens.20140210/06/t850Cheshire.png


White Meadows
10 February 2014 13:55:21
…Probably the dullest, most tedious winter for years for model watchers… let alone cold fans. Low pressure after low pressure like a stuck record.
Gavin P
10 February 2014 14:10:39

Hi all,

Here's today's video update;

A Very Slow Change To Drier Conditions Next Week?

http://www.gavsweathervids.com

And by very slow, I mean a real slog to get this trough to lift out, LOL.

 


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Saint Snow
10 February 2014 15:27:14

…Probably the dullest, most tedious winter for years for model watchers… let alone cold fans. Low pressure after low pressure like a stuck record.

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 

 

I think it's been far better than a Bartlett-dominated winter. I love snow and a cold winter, but I've found the violent storms quite exhilirating and, sympathies for those affected notwithstanding, I'm always intrigued to see just how much rain we can get.


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