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Matty H
10 November 2026 10:22:48
Looks like a brief spell of vaguely chilly weather before a return to a westerly regime. The MetO forecasts reflect this into early Dec. 
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The Beast from the East
10 November 2026 10:44:19

Looks like a brief spell of vaguely chilly weather before a return to a westerly regime. The MetO forecasts reflect this into early Dec. 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

A regime that will probably last until February!  And I am not joking

I would rather it was crazy mild, dry in the south and super Bartlett than wet and windy. 


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Brian Gaze
10 November 2026 11:05:35
Still some tentative signs of a paddle high developing to the north.

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idj20
10 November 2026 12:37:27

Met office long range text hints at HLB with undercutting lows diving south. 

Fits the theme and possibly picking up on the ‘record breaking’ behaviour of the P.vortex. ?

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 

Wasn't the tumultuous winter of 2014 the result of HLB forcing low pressure to run directly across the British Isles? Better hope not but the models seem to be touching on that as soon as this time next week onwards. 

Although that awful winter of 2014 also involved strong polar vortex stuck steadfastly over the Arctic with nodes breaking off towards the US and we here at the UK kept getting the fall out.


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CField
10 November 2026 16:31:32

Looks like a brief spell of vaguely chilly weather before a return to a westerly regime. The MetO forecasts reflect this into early Dec. 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Could be the famed annual autumn kerfuffle


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doctormog
10 November 2026 18:13:48

Could be the famed annual autumn kerfuffle

Originally Posted by: CField 

The brief Arctic outbreak shown in the model output over the next couple of days looks likely to bring the first wintry showers to lower elevations in northernmost parts.  The medium to longer term (5 to 15 days not 3 months!) is a more mixed picture with a lot variability. I doubt any clear influence from this week’s predicted SSW will be evident in the charts just yet. 


Crepuscular Ray
11 November 2026 07:55:44
Interesting 00Z charts though from the big 3. The cold isn't pushed too far north next week and it looks like the trend is for cold air to sink south again at times 🤔
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11 November 2026 07:56:22
FAX - Storm Charles retreating back to Spain, LP Scandinavia bringing Arctic air southwards to Scotland, both pushed aside by HP coming in from NW 1020mb Fri 13th. This HP moves on into Europe leaving Britain between 3 LPs waiting their chance Sun 15th, 982mb mid Atlantic, 984mb Sweden and 1011mb France.

GFS Op 00z - that LP from the Atlantic takes over, 950mb Western Isles Tue 17th, a lot of cold air in its circulation.  It moves on to Scandinavia Thu 19th leaving a trough hanging back over Britain. The line of this trough i picked up by the next LP, 990mb Ireland Mon 23rd, which then moves across England to join the complex LP over Scandinavia with N-lies for Britain  by Fri 20th*

ECM - generally like GFS but a small LP from the Atlantic precedes the main event on Tue17th, and there is less of a trough hanging back later (update may follow when download to T+360 available)

AIFS - London, rain today, cooler and dry through the weekend  (7C) with frosty nights, and the same next weekend; during the week milder (10 - 11C) with rain Mon 16th, Tue 17th and Thu 18th and the same again during the following week with  rain Mon 23rd and Wed 25th. Edinburgh, more consistent with maxima 5-7C, tending to be a little cooler at weekends; rain Mon 15th, Wed 17th and Sun 22nd.

GEFS - rain today only in the S, then mean and ens agree on a dry cool weekend (4C below norm), rain starts late Sun 15th and continues in most runs to Thu 26th, esp heavy at first plus a few runs have high totals (30+ mm) around Mon 23rd. Mean and ens close to  norm (or a little above Mon 16th) with the rain. 

Jet - streak over S Britain Mon 16th - Thu 19th, otherwise fragmented and not doing a lot.

* LP over Scandinavia again, like the last few years? What happened to the Scandi highs of yesteryear which used to pump out remarkable easterlies?


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Devonian
11 November 2026 09:31:49

FAX - Storm Charles retreating back to Spain, LP Scandinavia bringing Arctic air southwards to Scotland, both pushed aside by HP coming in from NW 1020mb Fri 13th. This HP moves on into Europe leaving Britain between 3 LPs waiting their chance Sun 15th, 982mb mid Atlantic, 984mb Sweden and 1011mb France.

GFS Op 00z - that LP from the Atlantic takes over, 950mb Western Isles Tue 17th, a lot of cold air in its circulation.  It moves on to Scandinavia Thu 19th leaving a trough hanging back over Britain. The line of this trough i picked up by the next LP, 990mb Ireland Mon 23rd, which then moves across England to join the complex LP over Scandinavia with N-lies for Britain  by Fri 20th*

ECM - generally like GFS but a small LP from the Atlantic precedes the main event on Tue17th, and there is less of a trough hanging back later (update may follow when download to T+360 available)

AIFS - London, rain today, cooler and dry through the weekend  (7C) with frosty nights, and the same next weekend; during the week milder (10 - 11C) with rain Mon 16th, Tue 17th and Thu 18th and the same again during the following week with  rain Mon 23rd and Wed 25th. Edinburgh, more consistent with maxima 5-7C, tending to be a little cooler at weekends; rain Mon 15th, Wed 17th and Sun 22nd.

GEFS - rain today only in the S, then mean and ens agree on a dry cool weekend (4C below norm), rain starts late Sun 15th and continues in most runs to Thu 26th, esp heavy at first plus a few runs have high totals (30+ mm) around Mon 23rd. Mean and ens close to  norm (or a little above Mon 16th) with the rain. 

Jet - streak over S Britain Mon 16th - Thu 19th, otherwise fragmented and not doing a lot.

* LP over Scandinavia again, like the last few years? What happened to the Scandi highs of yesteryear which used to pump out remarkable easterlies?

Originally Posted by: DEW 

A discussion for the breakout thread? Also know as YKW.

Ally Pally Snowman
11 November 2026 09:41:40
The output continues to slowly but surely get more intriguing as we head to late November ❄️❄️❄️
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Ally Pally Snowman
11 November 2026 10:39:37
Cold GFS 6z rolling out especially for Scotland.  
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The Beast from the East
11 November 2026 11:09:15

Cold GFS 6z rolling out especially for Scotland.  

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

I think any blocking showing up is just a model mirage.  It will get blasted away as all the background indicators suggest


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Ally Pally Snowman
11 November 2026 11:20:41

I think any blocking showing up is just a model mirage.  It will get blasted away as all the background indicators suggest

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

I think we are in a much better place than most years.  But I'm sure our old friend Pete Tong will make an appearance at some point.


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Saint Snow
11 November 2026 12:34:49

I think any blocking showing up is just a model mirage.  It will get blasted away as all the background indicators suggest

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Are we going to have to put up with your persistent negativity for another winter, mate? 😉🤣

As for the GFS6z, it reinforces the HLB theme (although it does 'blast away' the block in the further realms of FI)


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11 November 2026 13:36:31

 I think any blocking showing up is just a model mirage.  It will get blasted away as all the background indicators suggest

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

I'm with you on this one. HLB, though most welcome when it does occur, is sufficiently uncommon that it's best treated on a believe-it-when-you-see-it basis, and that only when firmly established.


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Jiries
11 November 2026 15:03:55

The output continues to slowly but surely get more intriguing as we head to late November ❄️❄️❄️

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Seeing the ensembles there no such very mild temps this year November, 16-17C are the typical max highest every year but not the case this year. It will be a bit milder after the cold sunny weather but nothing high as 16-17C temps.

moomin75
11 November 2026 19:00:50
I am raising half an eyebrow at the signals for later this month and into December. 

Definitely some signals that the start of winter is going to look different to what we are used to.

Gloomin is being positive this year!


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jhall
11 November 2026 19:14:10

I am raising half an eyebrow at the signals for later this month and into December. 

Definitely some signals that the start of winter is going to look different to what we are used to.

Gloomin is being positive this year!

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

The first signs that the SSW - though a marginal one - might be having an effect down the line?


Cranleigh, Surrey
doctormog
11 November 2026 19:15:50

The first signs that the SSW - though a marginal one - might be having an effect down the line?

Originally Posted by: jhall 

If the zonal winds reverse at 10hPa as modelled then it is actually classed as a major SSW.


jhall
11 November 2026 20:24:54

If the zonal winds reverse at 10hPa as modelled then it is actually classed as a major SSW.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

Yes, I should have said a marginal major SSW.

I see that the ECMWF 12Z op run wants to generate a Scandi High out in FI.


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Saint Snow
11 November 2026 21:31:51

Yes, I should have said a marginal major SSW.

I see that the ECMWF 12Z op run wants to generate a Scandi High out in FI.

Originally Posted by: jhall 

Find them rather a waste this time of year; unless they're perfectly aligned to funnel extremely cold air towards us, they're just not conducive to proper early winter cold. A Greenland High is better for early season cold.


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Ally Pally Snowman
12 November 2026 06:19:29
GEM 0z has a significant snow event for some next Tuesday night.

https://wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=20&model=gem&var=25&run=0&time=144&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=6#mapref 


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Jiries
12 November 2026 06:30:40

GEM 0z has a significant snow event for some next Tuesday night.

https://wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=20&model=gem&var=25&run=0&time=144&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=6#mapref 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Almost similar to the one I got last January and with now low solar input should help too.  At least interesting than HP with cloud and fog infestation.  Can’t wait to see the sun coming up soon.  Tuesday is 5 days away so let see if this persists on further runs. 

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12 November 2026 07:46:05
FAX - much as shown yesterday, Storm Charles filling over S Spain, Arctic LP moving to S Norway 980mb, Britain getting the benefit of a rise in pressure 1020mb Fri (Ireland) to Sat (Kent). This HP moves on and by Sun midday is in Ukraine while LPs approach from the Atlantic with complex fronts - 991mb S Ireland Sun, 956 mb still mid Atlantic Mon 16th but moving quickly and deepening.

GFS Op 00z - the second LP above catches up with the first and forms an arc of LP S Greenland-Britain-S Norway, 975mb Tue 17th-Wed 18th 975mb Scottish border (cold air so likely snow on hills), all clearing by the weekend with brief ridge of HP before next LP runs into SW Ireland 970mb Tue 24th, then changes direction and moves N-wards over the Irish Sea, filling , but pressure remaining low over Britain to Sat 24th.

ECM - similar to GFS though the lowest pressure in the 'arc' is to the east near Norway. The last chart available at this time (Sun 22nd) has the following  LP still developing near Greenland.

AIFS - London, maxima 8C with frosty nights for the weekend then milder (10C) to Thu 19th with rain (not a lot) Sun 15th, Tue 17th and Thu 19th (Daily Mirror readers in the S will be disappointed when the apocalypse doesn't arrive); back to dry , 6-7 C with frosty nights to Thu 26th. Edinburgh, 6-8C for the rest of this week and dry; maxima then settle at 4-5C, frost likely when it doesn't rain (Sun 15th and Wed 18th)

GEFS - a cool weekend then mean temp with quite a narrow spread of ens members close to norm Sat 28th, rain (much more likely than suggested by AIFS) at any time after Sun 15th, heavy at first (perhaps drier in the north around Sat 21st). Snow row values (max possible = 33) in single figures for N & W Scotland , in low teens for Inverness, occasionally 1-3 elsewhere.

 

The cold rain/snow previously forecast as a major event for Tuesday is downplayed today, still noticeable on GFS/GEFS but nothing special on ECM/AIFS; MetO rainfall chart continues to show heavy rain in the SW/S coast


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Crepuscular Ray
12 November 2026 07:49:02
Yet again at 00Z the big 3 want to keep the cold feeding down into Scotland and maybe N England for the next 7 days. MetO is my favourite this morning.

Small Lows are steered across the south from the W. Could be some localised snowfall events 🤔 It's a bit early but you never know.....


Jerry

Edinburgh, in the frost hollow below Blackford Hill

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