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doctormog
06 June 2022 17:12:53


 


 


Very appropriate typo!


 



Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 



Oops!


Taylor1740
06 June 2022 18:30:05

The whole 12z GFS is pretty crap. Let's not dress it up any other way.
Hopefully it's way off the mark.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


It is but all a long way off and one or two runs have shown heatwaves in the extended recently. Anyway before that this week doesn't look too bad now, sunny intervals with a moderate Westerly breeze, and temperatures near normal.


NW Leeds - 150m amsl
Ally Pally Snowman
06 June 2022 18:38:59

ECM has a decent amount of high pressure especially for the south.  


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
White Meadows
06 June 2022 19:06:02

The whole 12z GFS is pretty crap. Let's not dress it up any other way.
Hopefully it's way off the mark.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

 


Massively overdramatised. This evenings output generally suggests a warm and dry outlook for the large majority after Friday. Unless you live in the dreaded north west of course 😆

Downpour
06 June 2022 21:47:12

Output looks fairly bog standard to me. Possibly a decent weekend in the south and east. I long for the day when hyperbole on here is replaced by sober reflection. I suspect I might as well yearn for the sun to rise in the west.


Chingford
London E4
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johncs2016
06 June 2022 22:56:36


Output looks fairly bog standard to me. Possibly a decent weekend in the south and east. I long for the day when hyperbole on here is replaced by sober reflection. I suspect I might as well yearn for the sun to rise in the west.


Originally Posted by: Downpour 


That actually happens on Venus.


 


The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
Retron
07 June 2022 03:48:47


That actually happens on Venus.


Originally Posted by: johncs2016 


I've seen the sun rise in the west here on Earth, too - albeit I was about 36,000 feet in the air at the time!


As for Downpour's point, spot on, at least for down here. The June average max for Heathrow is 21.6C (91-20) and the Met Office has a mix of 21s and 22s for the whole of the 7-day forecast.


I think people forget that we're not in the Med sometimes!


Leysdown, north Kent
Ally Pally Snowman
07 June 2022 06:15:18

GEM the best of the bunch this morning, GFS and UKMO get messy beyond 144h. 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
White Meadows
07 June 2022 06:24:00
ECM painting an improved picture this morning.
Still no proper homegrown heat in sight but better than the past week of poor temperatures and drizzle/ downpours.
Ally Pally Snowman
07 June 2022 06:57:31

Yep optimistic ECM run with a determined Azores high constantly trying to build in. Seems to be/hopefully a growing trend. 


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
DEW
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07 June 2022 07:02:31

WX summary temps continue to show a zonal pattern - hot S of the Alps, warm across N Europe, cool further N including most of Britain and Scandinavia (albeit with a cold pool in week 1 at the N end of the Urals). For week 1 there is a dry-ish area from the Channel up to the Baltic and properly dry in the W Med; week 2 the dry bit of the Med is further E; otherwise rain well distributed across Europe both weeks.


GFS Op - shallow LP over S Britain for the start of this week overtaken by deep LP 970mb Fri 10th off W Scotland which moves past N Scotland and introduces a W-ly flow, reinforced Fri 17th by LP 985mb Rockall but this moves S and after a brief deepening becomes a trough covering Britain from the N by Mon 20th (as far as E Anglia 1000mb). Even by Thu 23rd a new LP NW Scotland keeps Britain under the influence of the NW Atlantic.


GEFS - mean temps near norm for the forecast period though quite a lot of variation between ens members setting in early (Mon 13th) and any outliers on the warm side. Rainfall pattern in a gradient from the SE (dry ca Fri 10th, small amounts of rain at other times) to the NW (a couple of dry days at first then moderate amounts of rain continuously). No big spikes typical of thunderstorms.


ECM - similar to GFS though the LP on Fri 17th stays further off allowing a general rise of pressure across all but the far NW of Britain


 


The Highlands have had their week of good weather; from now on the common summer pattern of mostly pleasant usable weather in S & E, pick your moment to dodge the rain in the N & W. 


War does not determine who is right, only who is left - Bertrand Russell

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GezM
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07 June 2022 08:18:15


GEM the best of the bunch this morning, GFS and UKMO get messy beyond 144h. 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


GEFS is better overall than the Op run. If you run through the average charts, the Azores high stays rigidly centred over the ..... well the Azores - with a ridge towards the UK. Potential for it to get nasty though!


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Working at Luton Airport, Beds (160m asl)
Taylor1740
07 June 2022 12:06:58
GFS once again showing a fairly cool month with a lack of any notable high temperatures.
NW Leeds - 150m amsl
Downpour
07 June 2022 13:41:32


 


That actually happens on Venus.


 


Originally Posted by: johncs2016 


 



Chingford
London E4
147ft
Downpour
07 June 2022 13:42:35


 


I've seen the sun rise in the west here on Earth, too - albeit I was about 36,000 feet in the air at the time!


As for Downpour's point, spot on, at least for down here. The June average max for Heathrow is 21.6C (91-20) and the Met Office has a mix of 21s and 22s for the whole of the 7-day forecast.


I think people forget that we're not in the Med sometimes!


Originally Posted by: Retron 


 


Ha! Indeed. 


Chingford
London E4
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sunny coast
07 June 2022 21:34:40
Bbc 9.55 very little rain in the Outlook after tonight . Plenty of very pleasant usable summer weather over thr next 2 weeks especially further south and east
Brian Gaze
07 June 2022 21:45:24

ECM ENS has some blowtorch runs tonight.



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overland
07 June 2022 21:45:35
Compared to recent years this must be the coolest May/June period for sometime in terms of max temps. Having said that it's still been decent weather just without the high temperatures we've been used to and it looks like it's going to continue.
Mumbles, Swansea. 80m asl
Sevendust
08 June 2022 05:32:37

Compared to recent years this must be the coolest May/June period for sometime in terms of max temps. Having said that it's still been decent weather just without the high temperatures we've been used to and it looks like it's going to continue.

Originally Posted by: overland 


Last May was dreadful. A properly cold month which are rare events in recent years

DEW
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08 June 2022 07:42:07

BBC (Carol Kirkwood) this morning stating that humid weather for Thu/Fri this week is down to the remains of hurricane Alex.


WX temp charts still zonal with cool weather forecast in a band from Scotland across to N Scandinavia with successive areas of increasing warmth lying W-E down to hot for S France across to Ukraine. Dry in Biscay and W Med, rain elsewhere, heavier in the N (Scotland to Scandinavia) week 2.


Jet streaking and looping across Britain in various orientations throughout the next two weeks


GFS Op shows LPs arising on the Atlantic  and moving past Scotland with pressure relatively high pressure in the S. Deepest LPs Sat 11th 980mb Rockall  and 990mb N Sea Mon 20th; strongest HP as part of ridge from Azores Tue 14th reaching SW Ireland 1025mb


GEFS temps in S  close to norm but irregularly above and below with little agreement between ens members (control & op pessimistic later on against one or two spectacularly hot outliers), less rain than yesterday, in fact dry for several days after present rain is out of the way. Similar temp pattern in N though tending to be on the cooler side and less variation in the ensembles, rain more persistent throughout esp in NW


ECM has the same general theme as GFS but timings are different after Sat 11th; LP 990mb Shetland on Wed 15th, HP off SW Ireland Sat 18th.


War does not determine who is right, only who is left - Bertrand Russell

Chichester 12m asl
GezM
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08 June 2022 08:23:50

Looks like the UK is caught between an Azores high with occasional eastward moving ridges and low pressure to the north. The strength of each influence will determine our weather over the next 10 days or so. Generally south is best but even these areas are susceptible to rain or showers at times. This weekend is looking mainly dry in the south at least. With outdoor events happening for me over the next two weekends, I'm trying to ignore some of the poor GFS Ops models and looking more at the ENS which paints a slightly better picture overall.


I still can't see anything especially warm in the near future. Meanwhile Spain looks set for a heatwave in a few days time with 850Hpa temperatures probably exceeding 25C. 


Living in St Albans, Herts (116m asl)
Working at Luton Airport, Beds (160m asl)
moomin75
08 June 2022 13:40:32
Just watched Gavin P's excellent 10-14 dayer which included the ECMWF seasonal forecast for the rest of summer.
All in all, it's pretty much a write off if a settled warm summer is what you want.
Largely average to below average temperatures and often unsettled sums it up.
Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
Hungry Tiger
08 June 2022 13:59:22

Just watched Gavin P's excellent 10-14 dayer which included the ECMWF seasonal forecast for the rest of summer.
All in all, it's pretty much a write off if a settled warm summer is what you want.
Largely average to below average temperatures and often unsettled sums it up.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


It's the northern blocking which gives the game away and also means a somewhat poor summer.


 


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moomin75
08 June 2022 14:14:12


 


It's the northern blocking which gives the game away and also means a somewhat poor summer.


 


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 

Yep, and guaranteed the northern blocking will be replaced by a monster Azores High and Zonality come December.


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