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Col
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28 April 2021 16:38:37


 


 


It would be an absolue disaster for what is left of our wildlife.


Every second that ticks by while this winter continues, extinguishes millions of insects that will never be born or mature. There will not be enough insects for many birds.  That is why you see less and less swifts, swallows and alike every year.  We are already on the razors edge.


The Field cricket (Gryllus campestris) that we have spent millions on rescuing from the brink?  They sing in April and May on warm nights.  We have not had one warm night!  Any eggs laid later than mid May are not expected to mature in time for winter at this latitude.  It is likely that this insect has been lost this year.  Funds will not be made available again to rescue it now the climate is so F***d and unpredictable.


 


This is not a 'thing' that would be wonderful to see in my book.  This is lose, lose , lose.


Originally Posted by: mulattokid 


Our wildlife, indigenous wildlife that is, will be quite able to cope with what is being thrown at it. It's just a cold April, nothing more. They have evolved to deal with conditions like this and far worse besides. Numbers of individual species may go up and down but that's just the normal course of things.


Col
Bolton, Lancashire
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Bolty
28 April 2021 16:45:05
First week of May is look like a write-off with more miserable Arctic crap continuing. Glad I said I would work BH Monday night for a day back. Hopefully save my day for some better weather.
Scott
Blackrod, Lancashire (4 miles south of Chorley) at 156m asl.
My weather station 
Downpour
28 April 2021 17:48:44


Several inches over a wide area in the next month I would say yes. I think a lot of the country is likely to be deluged in the next 3 to 4 weeks. Hopefully that will clear out of the way for the summer months.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


 


Several inches “over a wide area”. Can you explain that? Do you mean several inches over the whole UK?


“A lot of the country” is going to be deluged. Most of it? 


Chingford
London E4
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doctormog
28 April 2021 17:50:17


 


 


Several inches “over a wide area”. Can you explain that? Do you mean several inches over the whole UK?


“A lot of the country” is going to be deluged. Most of it? 


Originally Posted by: Downpour 


This is the 16 day accumulated precipitation chart from the latest GFS run: https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPUK12_384_49.png 


Downpour
28 April 2021 18:32:10


 


This is the 16 day accumulated precipitation chart from the latest GFS run: https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPUK12_384_49.png 


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


 


A couple of inches over 16 days down here. Good. It’s needed. Hardly what I’d term copious!


Chingford
London E4
147ft
moomin75
28 April 2021 18:32:35


 


This is the 16 day accumulated precipitation chart from the latest GFS run: https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPUK12_384_49.png 


Originally Posted by: doctormog 

Thanks Michael. Yes pretty much this. There's no doubt we are ALL in for a heck of a lot of water over the next few weeks.


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Ally Pally Snowman
28 April 2021 18:42:23

 


 Some plumes starting to show up. 


 


 



 


 


 


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Downpour
28 April 2021 18:50:30


 


 Some plumes starting to show up. 


 


 



 


 


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


 


There’s an interesting general warming trend starting around 7 May, with some useful showers thrown in, which means I might finally have chance to reseed the lawn. Been impossible to grow new grass recently due to low soil temps and zero rainfall for weeks on end. 


Chingford
London E4
147ft
mulattokid
28 April 2021 19:00:37


 


Our wildlife, indigenous wildlife that is, will be quite able to cope with what is being thrown at it. It's just a cold April, nothing more. They have evolved to deal with conditions like this and far worse besides. Numbers of individual species may go up and down but that's just the normal course of things.


Originally Posted by: Col 


 


 I work with indigeonous wildlife on a professional level and have done for decades.......   


Field crickets have lived here for about 8000 years. Like Butterflies, Orthopterans, specifically Ensiferans, are indicators of environmental health.  Aside from the fact we have reduced their numbers by habitat fragmentation and destruction, something new is occuring.


Of our recent reintrodutions (of which I was part of) to ostensibly suitable historic sites,  unusual weather events in every case have wiped some of those primarily successful reintroductions out without warning. 


You cannot accept that we are breaking climate records on the one hand and also claim that it is 'normal' for our native wildlife on the other.  That is illogical. One of those claims is going to be incompatible with the facts. New climactic phenomena in most cases is not complaint with a biological niche in such a short time frame.  The facts are bearing this out.


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Devonian
28 April 2021 19:02:28


Thanks Michael. Yes pretty much this. There's no doubt we are ALL in for a heck of a lot of water over the next few weeks.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


I'm afraid you're mistaken - there's plenty of doubt as to how much rain places across these island will get in the next few weeks.


All we can say with some certainty is that there may be showers in the next few days and then it looks like a low may sweep in across the UK over the bank holiday. Beyond that there is less and less certainty.

MRayner
28 April 2021 19:33:32

Not just rain, snow in the area this morning and forecast again tonight, roll on the warm up 🤞


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David M Porter
28 April 2021 21:02:10

With reference to the comparisons made by some between this April and the same month in 2007 and 2012, for me while this April has certainly been dry, that is where the similarities end.


April 2007 was one of the driest and warmest Aprils I can remember experiencing here, and I don't think there were a great many frosts that month as I don't recall the nights being especially cold. Contrast that with the frequent frosts many areas have seen this month. April 2012 was an unsettled month for the most part, coming as it did after one of the warmest March's on record. In fact, the weather of April 2012 largely set the tone for what was to come during the summer and autumn of that year; i.e very wet.


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Sevendust
28 April 2021 21:19:22


With reference to the comparisons made by some between this April and the same month in 2007 and 2012, for me while this April has certainly been dry, that is where the similarities end.


April 2007 was one of the driest and warmest Aprils I can remember experiencing here, and I don't think there were a great many frosts that month as I don't recall the nights being especially cold. Contrast that with the frequent frosts many areas have seen this month. April 2012 was an unsettled month for the most part, coming as it did after one of the warmest March's on record. In fact, the weather of April 2012 largely set the tone for what was to come during the summer and autumn of that year; i.e very wet.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


I've said this before. Those two years are not comparable to the current April.


As for the output, I can see three Low Pressures lining up to affect the south (at least) in the next 10 days. A lot of rain possible, especially compared to recently.


 

DEW
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29 April 2021 06:55:05

Jetstream currently looping to the S clicks into gear and runs strongly across the UK from Mon 3rd until another loop forms Tue 11th and takes the main flow off to the S. That son results in the same sort of pattern we've seen through April with two streams, one to the N and the other to the S of the UK.


GFS shows a few days of light winds and cool source of air before the Atlantic winds up - LPs 990mb Tue 4th N Sea, 985mb Fri 7th Irish Sea, 1000mb Wed 12th off Brittany slowly moving to the Channel but at least bringing some warm air for all parts with it.


GEFS - cool now, back to norm Fri 7th though staying cooler in Scotland & NE England, uncertainty thereafter with majority of runs near norm keeping temp prediction down but quite a number of warmer ones as well. As for rain, showers at first, more persistent and often heavy for the week starting Tue 4th, slowly petering out after that but forecast totals have increased since yesterday.


ECM  - picks up the LPs on same timescale as GFS but intensifies them further W & S - Tue 4th 990mb N Ireland, Sat 8th 990mb off Brittany


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GezM
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29 April 2021 09:26:11


Had this been a transition to cold weather in December the GEFS35 would be getting a lot of praise for picking it up so early. The unsettled first half of May has been signalled for several weeks.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Talking of the 35 dayer, there are encouraging signs of something a bit warmer and dryer in the 2nd half of May ....


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twoforecasts/gefs-35-day.aspx


 


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Working at Luton Airport, Beds (160m asl)
fairweather
29 April 2021 09:39:55

It seems as hard to get rain here as it does snow at the moment. Each day it is predicted it is gone the next. April will be zero rainfall. 26mm since February 16th - ten weeks. Maximum daily rainfall in that period 6.4mm. 


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Downpour
29 April 2021 10:01:26


 


I've said this before. Those two years are not comparable to the current April.


As for the output, I can see three Low Pressures lining up to affect the south (at least) in the next 10 days. A lot of rain possible, especially compared to recently.


 


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


 


Indeed. The pattern-matching eccentrics aren't even matching the patterns! Anyone who thinks April 2007 was like April 2021 needs their memory looking at. 


Chingford
London E4
147ft
mulattokid
29 April 2021 15:46:02


 


Our wildlife, indigenous wildlife that is, will be quite able to cope with what is being thrown at it. It's just a cold April, nothing more. They have evolved to deal with conditions like this and far worse besides. Numbers of individual species may go up and down but that's just the normal course of things.


Originally Posted by: Col 


 


..I am an Environmenat scientist and this is my work ..


 


Never mind.


 


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Gooner
29 April 2021 16:00:33

Chart image


GFS 6z ENS , still a mixed bag and plenty of ppn around 


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Marcus
Banbury
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CField
29 April 2021 16:01:41

Winter is over but the pattern of that hot plume coming up Italy into southern Germany robbed us of a classic winter IMO.


The relevance of those events is that I can see pattern repeats happening this summer and will be the theme this coming summer, maybe onle SE will see the effects of this and the UK will see temperature extremes similar to last summer.


 


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Col
  • Col
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29 April 2021 17:40:36


 


 


..I am an Environmenat scientist and this is my work ..


 


Never mind.


 


Originally Posted by: mulattokid 


There is nothing in this April's weather that suggests anything catastrophic will happen to indigenous UK wildlife. It's been cold & frosty certainly but nothing unprecedented and certainly nothing wildlife won't be able to cope with.


Col
Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg
Devonian
29 April 2021 18:02:57


 


Our wildlife, indigenous wildlife that is, will be quite able to cope with what is being thrown at it. It's just a cold April, nothing more. They have evolved to deal with conditions like this and far worse besides. Numbers of individual species may go up and down but that's just the normal course of things.


Originally Posted by: Col 


Oh, our wildlife can deal with normality.


What it can't deal with is normality plus:


A climate changed beyond normality.


A lack of insect due to insecticides and modern farming.


A lack of weed species (that supports lots of wildlife) that get extinguished by weedkillers.


A lack of habitats due to our demands for land.


The list goes on...


 

Devonian
29 April 2021 18:06:43


 


There is nothing in this April's weather that suggests anything catastrophic will happen to indigenous UK wildlife. It's been cold & frosty certainly but nothing unprecedented and certainly nothing wildlife won't be able to cope with.


Originally Posted by: Col 


Ok, you know better than someone who knows better than you

Col
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29 April 2021 18:16:37


 


Ok, you know better than someone who knows better than you


Originally Posted by: Devonian 


Well prove me wrong then with reports in a few months time that April 2021 was 'devasatating' for wildlife.


 


Col
Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg
Devonian
29 April 2021 18:25:25


 Well prove me wrong then with reports in a few months time that April 2021 was 'devasatating' for wildlife.


 

Originally Posted by: Col 


That would be a sensible plan.


Birds like stonechats, wheatears, pippets and warblers nest in gorse. There is no doubt recent gorse fires will have destroyed such nests. Likewise grass fires will damage the nests of ground nesting birds. Ground nesting birds used to be much more common - but drainage and now the early mowing of grass mean there are far fewer than there were.


We have swallows and house martins. Less that last year though...We used to have 7 or 8 pairs of swallows, this year (we might yet see more) 4 pairs.


Anyway, this is OT, but if we don't get rain soon (and we might, though probably not enough) more damage will be done to our wildlife.


Will May see the necessary 50-75mm of rain to reverse the dry spell? I doubt it, but i can't see far into the future either.


 

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