Gandalf The White
12 December 2018 00:28:49

 


Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


 


YES but if you go back to Jan - March 2018 from December 2017 - the Met Forecast mild and we all know Feb and March turned out blocked and colder after the SSW. tHIS Year we are expecting one in 2 weeks time. SO here's to some cold and blocked weather for January/?



Maybe but don’t get your hopes up just yet.


Anyway, what you’ve said isn’t relevant to your apparent misinterpretation of those charts, which was my point.  You’re not the first person to misread an anomaly chart.


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tallyho_83
12 December 2018 00:47:20

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


 


 


Maybe but don’t get your hopes up just yet.


Anyway, what you’ve said isn’t relevant to your apparent misinterpretation of those charts, which was my point.  You’re not the first person to misread an anomaly chart.



What do you make of this then from the Met Office and their updated ensemble mean anomaly? They have (if anything) strengthened the block since last months update. It's quite a strong signal for northern Blocking.


Southerly tracking lows me thinks and bitterly cold easterly winds at times!?


2-4 months:


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/seasonal-to-decadal/gpc-outlooks/ens-mean



3- 5 Months



 


Now look at the Temperature mean:


2 - 4 Months



3 - 5 Months:



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Retron
12 December 2018 03:45:34

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Anyway, what you’ve said isn’t relevant to your apparent misinterpretation of those charts, which was my point.  You’re not the first person to misread an anomaly chart.



Indeed, I remember someone with a rather large ego doing just the same several years ago - and boy, did they sulk when that was explained to them. Anyway, those charts are just raw GLOSEA output - one of a large pot of charts. The long-range ECM has an interesting pressure anomaly by week 6, which is an unusually strong signal that far out:


http://brunnur.vedur.is/kort/ec-ens/2018/12/06/00/ec-ens_nat_taem_gh500_anom_2018120600_1104.png


To me, that'd suggest lows tracking much further south than normal.


The contingency planners' forecast, which combines GLOSEA, the ECM and others, shows a marked cold signal for December-January-Fenruary. Now that is unusual in that product, which normally shows a milder than average winter period.


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/assets/mohippo/pdf/public-sector/forecast-temp-djf-v2.pdf


 


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tallyho_83
12 December 2018 08:28:08

Originally Posted by: Retron 


 


Indeed, I remember someone with a rather large ego doing just the same several years ago - and boy, did they sulk when that was explained to them. Anyway, those charts are just raw GLOSEA output - one of a large pot of charts. The long-range ECM has an interesting pressure anomaly by week 6, which is an unusually strong signal that far out:


http://brunnur.vedur.is/kort/ec-ens/2018/12/06/00/ec-ens_nat_taem_gh500_anom_2018120600_1104.png


To me, that'd suggest lows tracking much further south than normal.


The contingency planners' forecast, which combines GLOSEA, the ECM and others, shows a marked cold signal for December-January-Fenruary. Now that is unusual in that product, which normally shows a milder than average winter period.


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/assets/mohippo/pdf/public-sector/forecast-temp-djf-v2.pdf


 



Bit surprised they say that we are in for a moderate El Nino this winter? I thought we were struggling to get a weak one!?


And how often do we get this forecast from the MET OFFICE?


"For December-January-February as a whole, below-average temperatures are more likely than above-average temperatures, with the highest chances of impacts from cold weather later in the period"


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ballamar
12 December 2018 08:34:31
Crumb of comfort today is the Arctic High on ECM appearing - hopefully that can start making a regular appearance in the output as thatโ€™s what brings us frigid air
marco 79
12 December 2018 09:27:16
Canadian GEM wants to promote heights further North ..Nice to see but wide of the mark from Ecm/Gfs....
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ballamar
12 December 2018 10:06:15
Whether Idle
12 December 2018 10:08:14

"Tis the season for jam tomorrow, tra la la la la la la la la la"


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Solar Cycles
12 December 2018 10:29:43

Originally Posted by: Retron 


 


Indeed, I remember someone with a rather large ego doing just the same several years ago - and boy, did they sulk when that was explained to them. Anyway, those charts are just raw GLOSEA output - one of a large pot of charts. The long-range ECM has an interesting pressure anomaly by week 6, which is an unusually strong signal that far out:


http://brunnur.vedur.is/kort/ec-ens/2018/12/06/00/ec-ens_nat_taem_gh500_anom_2018120600_1104.png


To me, that'd suggest lows tracking much further south than normal.


The contingency planners' forecast, which combines GLOSEA, the ECM and others, shows a marked cold signal for December-January-Fenruary. Now that is unusual in that product, which normally shows a milder than average winter period.


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/assets/mohippo/pdf/public-sector/forecast-temp-djf-v2.pdf


 


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Solar Cycles
12 December 2018 10:33:29
For the next 10 days at least itโ€™s looking a fairly mobile setup but certainly not mild on the whole with our airmass coming mainly from a W/NW direction. Still looking into the realms of FI for crumbs of comfort for deep cold down the line but I wouldnโ€™t rule out a white Xmas for some with the current Synoptics on offer.
The Beast from the East
12 December 2018 10:37:41

Still some hope for the Xmas period



 


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Rob K
12 December 2018 10:46:16

Let's bank the GFS Parallel 0Z run for Xmas day.


 



 



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Solar Cycles
12 December 2018 10:48:30

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Let's bank the GFS Parallel 0Z run for Xmas day.


 



 



Lets not....... IMBY is snowless. ๐Ÿ˜

ballamar
12 December 2018 11:15:09

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Still some hope for the Xmas period



 



 


If you like cold rain!!

White Meadows
12 December 2018 12:53:03

Originally Posted by: ballamar 


 


 


If you like cold rain!!


Depends on your location. 

ballamar
12 December 2018 14:58:33
Given its quiet think we will start to see signs of Siberian high influencing Europe towards the end of GFS in the next run or hoping !!
ballamar
12 December 2018 15:48:51
Potential gets blown away so easily shame

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU12_45_1.png 
Gooner
12 December 2018 16:24:57

very different 


 



Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Gooner
12 December 2018 16:49:45

12z( GFS ) gives us something new and very acceptable 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


idj20
12 December 2018 17:00:46

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


12z( GFS ) gives us something new and very acceptable 




I'd take that. At least it'd spare me the effort of issuing loads of travel advisories associated with stormy or snowy weather on my own forecasts in the run up to Christmas.


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