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TimS
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15 July 2018 12:39:10
I just hope it’s not on Friday. I fixed a date for my event months ago - as it stands, looking at the rain spikes, it could turn out to be the sole major rain event in 2 months, coinciding precisely with the 3-9pm timing of the bbq.

This Friday’s event looks like it’s a small scale shallow low coming up from France, not quite an MCS but with similar characteristics. That probably means uncertainty on location, timing and amounts right up to 6 hours or so before it happens.


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White Meadows
15 July 2018 13:23:57

yes, its still looking bad for coldies but at least this week may provide some rain and cooler temps

 

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Can you call them coldies in summer? Maybe it should be mouldies.

Jiries
15 July 2018 14:36:51

I just hope it’s not on Friday. I fixed a date for my event months ago - as it stands, looking at the rain spikes, it could turn out to be the sole major rain event in 2 months, coinciding precisely with the 3-9pm timing of the bbq.

This Friday’s event looks like it’s a small scale shallow low coming up from France, not quite an MCS but with similar characteristics. That probably means uncertainty on location, timing and amounts right up to 6 hours or so before it happens.

Originally Posted by: TimS 

It seem a same repeat like last Friday so some areas will get it otherwise no rain for next 15 days.  Next door neighbour just washed the car and gave a very strong smell in here so when it does rain expect extremely strong smell this time.

KevBrads1
15 July 2018 16:52:18

UKMO and GFS 12z runs look increasingly anticyclonic 


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Retron
15 July 2018 17:16:08

yes, its still looking bad for coldies but at least this week may provide some rain and cooler temps

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

The ensembles (both GFS and ECM) have been trending warmer again towards the end of next week. It could well be a case of "blink and you'll miss it" when it comes to the less-warm conditions forecast for Tuesday and Wednesday.

Still, as someone who's fed up with the lack of rain it's good to see that there's still a strong signal for some rain from Friday onwards.

It might not be as cool as it was looking, but at least it still looks like the drought will break down here.


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Brian Gaze
15 July 2018 17:17:13

GFS 12z banging in the heat again more easily than France did goals this afternoon. Wow! 


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Arcus
15 July 2018 17:18:32

UKMO and GFS 12z runs look increasingly anticyclonic 

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 

Indeed, the trend is your friend when looking at the NWP output at the moment - there's a clear shift toward filling the trough and lifting it northward mid-week. The ark-builders might want to fill the boat with water instead. 


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SJV
15 July 2018 17:27:10

Still, as someone who's fed up with the lack of rain it's good to see that there's still a strong signal for some rain from Friday onwards.

It might not be as cool as it was looking, but at least it still looks like the drought will break down here.

Originally Posted by: Retron 

I wouldn't be so sure of that, Darren. I'm not sure the rain will make it down to your location (or be that notable) given the current trend if the 12z are anything to go by.

ECM will be interesting later... 

Retron
15 July 2018 17:31:43

 

I wouldn't be so sure of that, Darren. I'm not sure the rain will make it down to your location (or be that notable) given the current trend if the 12z are anything to go by.

ECM will be interesting later... 

Originally Posted by: SJV 

Truth be told, I'm pretty desperate from a respite from summer. 6+ weeks of sunshine, heat and no rain whatsoever makes a heat-hater like me go slightly crazy!

Given the crap performance of the models so far this summer (in terms of showing colder conditions, mirage-like, never quite making it) I wouldn't be surprised if it happens yet again. It's got to break sometime, though, and at least no matter what happens we're in the last half of summer now.

 


Leysdown, north Kent
SJV
15 July 2018 19:02:17
ECM once again showing a hot end to July.
Jiries
15 July 2018 19:05:10

With the models showing HP strongly move in here at the position where the sea temps are very high at the moment with 21C over south Ireland and SW UK while the channel and Kent coasts now 19C, Also the Baltic sea are very warm in the low 20's so that probably the reason why HP had been there all summer compare to LP and green to yellow sea temps zones that filter all the way down to near Portugal from what I remember.   HP prefer warm sea to sit and LP prefer cold sea temps I think.

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TimS
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15 July 2018 19:49:21

ECM once again showing a hot end to July.

Originally Posted by: SJV 

ECM also shows pressure of 1005hPa over South East England by the 25th, which = rain rain rain.


Brockley, South East London 30m asl
Hungry Tiger
15 July 2018 19:59:32

GFS 12z banging in the heat again more easily than France did goals this afternoon. Wow! 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

That will help hold up the CET figures.

 


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roadrunnerajn
15 July 2018 20:22:42
I know farmers are desperate for rain... But, on a selfish note, I'm glad the charts are starting to retreat away from a more typical British affair. Since about 10th May we have enjoyed some of the best weather I can remember down here and another 6-8 weeks would be wonderful....

When it does break, which it will, and the relentless drizzle and hill cloud move in for weeks on end, this fine spell will seem like a distant memory.


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golfingmad
16 July 2018 11:28:23

GFS 06Z run suggests further strengthening of high pressure in the mid-term, so that by T180 the anticyclone is positioned near to Scandinavia, and a hot plume is heading for the UK.

Summer 2018 isn't over yet.


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moomin75
16 July 2018 11:54:38

GFS 06Z run suggests further strengthening of high pressure in the mid-term, so that by T180 the anticyclone is positioned near to Scandinavia, and a hot plume is heading for the UK.

Summer 2018 isn't over yet.

Originally Posted by: golfingmad 

Looks like my reverse psychology pessimism has worked wonders again. 


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Hungry Tiger
16 July 2018 12:54:37

GFS 06Z run suggests further strengthening of high pressure in the mid-term, so that by T180 the anticyclone is positioned near to Scandinavia, and a hot plume is heading for the UK.

Summer 2018 isn't over yet.

Originally Posted by: golfingmad 

Just watched a BBC forecast and it shows the heat building back very rapidly.

 


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Brian Gaze
16 July 2018 13:39:14

 

Just watched a BBC forecast and it shows the heat building back very rapidly.

 

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 

 If that's correct it sounds like they have backtracked quicker than moomin. Goodness knows why they don't highlight uncertainty when looking more than a few days ahead.


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golfingmad
16 July 2018 14:17:01

 

 If that's correct it sounds like they have backtracked quicker than moomin. Goodness knows why they don't highlight uncertainty when looking more than a few days ahead.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

BBC forecast at lunchtime has now cancelled the rain for the south for Friday. Pressure rapidly building after the passage of the weak cold front, then the low pressure to the NW is stalling and not moving SE as previously thought. Warming up again for the south for the weekend.

This seems to follow the pattern shown by the latest GFS run, which shows high pressure re-asserting and then setting up over the North Sea and Scandinavia. Definite reload in prospect with a possible hot end to July.

 


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Stormchaser
16 July 2018 14:24:28

BBC forecast at lunchtime has now cancelled the rain for the south for Friday. Pressure rapidly building after the passage of the weak cold front, then the low pressure to the NW is stalling and not moving SE as previously thought. Warming up again for the south for the weekend.

 

Originally Posted by: golfingmad 

To their credit, they did mention that the rain had been looking to head south, but now doesn't. Given that we had an ECM 12z followed by a GFS 00z showing that scenario, I can see how they ended up going for that yesterday, as they don't tend to do 'trends' such as we were seeing in the output as a whole until they've been going for at least a day, which scientifically at least is a good way to go about it.

 

Anyway, neat to see the GFS 06z move back toward a more SW-NE jet stream alignment for the weekend into next week, after a few runs going for a more W-E orientation. With ECM having also made such an adjustment, it's down to the 12z runs to move the new solution, with increased broad plume potential thanks to the Atlantic trough having to drop down a good deal further west, from 'maybe' to 'probably' in the mysterious drawers of my mind.

It's the better fit for the Nino-like tropical forcing now falling into place, but sadly that's never a guarantee when it comes to the weather .


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warrenb
16 July 2018 14:36:36
Just watched the Meto forecast for the week on Youtube, Heat building again with a hot weekend to come.
moomin75
16 July 2018 16:33:57
Not such a good 12z GFS.
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TimS
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16 July 2018 16:44:39

Not such a good 12z GFS.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

Nor GEM. Same pattern, low pressure digging further south. Better MetO.

 


Brockley, South East London 30m asl
superteacher
16 July 2018 16:55:56
The 6z was so good it was inevitable the the 12z wouldn’t be quite as good.

But it only starts to differ in FI (post 168) so still looking good. Even into FI the south remains very warm.

Jiries
16 July 2018 16:58:51

Not such a good 12z GFS.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

HP covering us right to early next week look very good to me?  Don't care about the FI runs from Tuesday onward next week as they been showing it for nearly 2 months now.  

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