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idot
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20 June 2018 19:40:03

 

Nailed on 

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

 

40?! 


Joe Bloggs
20 June 2018 21:13:48

I’ve lived in both Manchester and Edinburgh so can judge this west vs east nonsense quite objectively. :D

In general Edinburgh is drier and sunnier than Manchester but (it’s a big but), Edinburgh (and much of the east coast of the UK) is often NOT good when the rest of the UK is experiencing heatwave conditions. If it’s 28C and sunny in Manchester on a SE’ly breeze it’s not unknown for it to be 15C and foggy in Edinburgh. Theres’s absolutely nothing worse when the rest of the country is hot and sunny and you’re stuck under low cloud and haar - it happens quite often - it certainly did when I lived there. 

Manchester in general does deserve its wet reputation, not in terms of volume of water (Cardiff and Bristol are wetter in that respect), but in terms of number of rain days. The city is prone to convective showers, more than places closer to the coast including, say, Liverpool. However Manchester is positively arid compared to Glasgow, loads more rain days up there. I think Sheffield has a similar number of rain days to Manchester simply because it’s higher altitude and again, prone to convective showers. Leeds less. 

That said, the weather in general, in the UK, is fairly crap, especially the further north and west you travel. The differences are sometimes exaggerated though and we’re all in a similar crap boat. Kent and the far SE can be very different on occasion. 

Manchester and NW England can occasionally do far better than the rest of the country, especially in easterly and SE’ly conditions. When there’s a SE’ly wind we can sometimes be the hottest part of the country. 

Sorry off topic! 

doctormog
20 June 2018 21:23:16

 

 

40?! 

Originally Posted by: idot 

I’m confident 

 

 

(Just a little tribute to the great Gary Sarre)

 

There is good agreement of warm or even potentially hot weather for many next week across th models. Long may it stay that way. As for 40°C? Perhaps not. 


Joe Bloggs
20 June 2018 21:24:15

ECM mean supports the idea of HP over the North Sea.

A general easterly drift likely, but very warm and sunny for most. 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMAVGEU12_168_1.png

Tim A
20 June 2018 21:58:04
Fantasic charts. I cant see the easterly drift being too much of a problem for the most part.

I think the weather has been ok so far this side of Pennines. Some cloudy days but generally ok.

Linton on ouze (York) average max for May was 19.3c compared with 18.2c for Manchester and Liverpool. For June its 19.7c compared with 19.7c for Manchester and 20.2c for Liverpool.


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TimS
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20 June 2018 22:32:19
18z coming out. It’s up to Thursday and no 30C symbols yet. But nice looking charts. This is home grown heat rather than advected heat from the Med. Like June 1995 - the parallels are strong. That one topped out at 33C in Barbourne and we then had that sea breeze front on the 30th that was a bit like tonight’s dry cold front.
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TimS
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20 June 2018 22:39:18

No 30s by Friday either. But I think Bournemouth and Southampton will do well from this one.

Ah, finally a 31C next Sat


Brockley, South East London 30m asl
johncs2016
20 June 2018 22:55:53

Well it might or might not deliver enough to cheer up our Scottish East coasters (though bear in mind inland and Western Scotland have been the warmest spots in the UK on a number of occasions this May and June), but if you look at the high res max temps in the GFS 12z next week there are 3 in a row where the warmest place in the country is...Manchester. No wonder Joe is so excited.

Originally Posted by: TimS 

On that note, I was looking at Gavin P.'s five day forecast which he does every Wednesday and the GFS model run which he used for that, had the high pressure sitting very slightly to the south of here by the weekend.

Clearly if the high pressure was too far to the south of us, the whole thing would just be a south of England only event but that is clearly not the case this time as the high pressure is still far enough north here, to confine any more unsettled weather to the far north of Scotland and the Northern Isles.

In that scenario, places on the east coast of Scotland such as Aberdeen would benefit the most from the Fohn Effect with a slight SW drift if that came off and if that was to happen, I'm sure that even Richard from Aberdeen would be more than happy with that.

 


The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.

picturesareme
21 June 2018 00:39:21

ECM mean supports the idea of HP over the North Sea.

A general easterly drift likely, but very warm and sunny for most. 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMAVGEU12_168_1.png

Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 

that has 30C written all over it for me down here 😜😛

Retron
21 June 2018 05:24:22
Nice to see that despite some of the dafter charts, ECM shows the chance of 30C in, say, Reading is minimal:

https://weather.us/forecast/2639577-reading/ensemble/euro 

Also nice to see a general easterly waft is expected. That should be reinforced by a sea breeze IMBY and keep the hot stuff at bay.

A sustained warm spell does look likely, but at the present the silly end of the scale is most unlikely.


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Jiries
21 June 2018 06:13:27

Nice to see that despite some of the dafter charts, ECM shows the chance of 30C in, say, Reading is minimal:

https://weather.us/forecast/2639577-reading/ensemble/euro

Also nice to see a general easterly waft is expected. That should be reinforced by a sea breeze IMBY and keep the hot stuff at bay.

A sustained warm spell does look likely, but at the present the silly end of the scale is most unlikely.

Originally Posted by: Retron 

This morning ensembles look so dry but slow warm up than quickie heat runs so I am happy with it and with 13C to 14C uppers I can able to see 30C or 31C as I did recorded 33C last June when uppers was 14C.  The ground is very dry so heating up are easier to achieve.  So good now but need to ensure guarantee that by mid July not to lose our summer like last year so good first half.  Ensembles will tell us when it come to mid july date line appearing or when school holiday date line appear.  Dangerous point those dates and hope we passed it without northern blocking to attack us.

 

TimS
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21 June 2018 06:30:29
This morning is definitely seeing an evolution towards a cooler but high pressure dominated pattern. A brief flirtation with 30C towards the end of the week but nothing unusually hot.

Those charts of a couple of days ago were probably always going to be the peak. At least we don’t, yet, seem to be evolving towards a wet breakdown.


Brockley, South East London 30m asl
21 June 2018 06:44:47

This morning is definitely seeing an evolution towards a cooler but high pressure dominated pattern. A brief flirtation with 30C towards the end of the week but nothing unusually hot.

Those charts of a couple of days ago were probably always going to be the peak. At least we don’t, yet, seem to be evolving towards a wet breakdown.

Originally Posted by: TimS 

'Less hot' perhaps  Don't mind if we don't hit 30C if it means we stay drier and sunnier for longer. We tend to break down quicker if we import some sultry air from the continent.


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marco 79
21 June 2018 08:04:10
00z GFS op runs the heights further northeast..allowing a NE flow in the latter timeframe....peak of the warmest temps look likely a week today...Onshore winds on East coast cool things down there...again highest temps further west....but all can change....looks pretty dry though for the next 10-14 days
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TimS
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21 June 2018 10:47:04

06z continues the downgrade trend. We're now talking about a pleasant warm week rather than a heatwave, but with a possible reload the week after. Quite a contrast from yesterday morning when things were looking 1976-esque.


Brockley, South East London 30m asl
Brian Gaze
21 June 2018 11:12:23

06z continues the downgrade trend. We're now talking about a pleasant warm week rather than a heatwave, but with a possible reload the week after. Quite a contrast from yesterday morning when things were looking 1976-esque.

Originally Posted by: TimS 

I still expect to see 30C exceeded week. You can usually add a couple of C to the GFS raw output.


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picturesareme
21 June 2018 11:57:20

I think it looks absolutely wonderful. People need to quit their whinging :D

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU06_144_1.png

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/UKMOPEU00_144_1.png

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPEU00_144_1.png

Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 

I think it's because it might not hit 30C in the home counties..

Those charts would deliver 30C down here on the South coast and likely also parts of Wales and the South West.

TimS
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21 June 2018 12:30:01
It’s all relative. If yesterday we’d been looking at wet and windy weather I’d have been delighted today. As it is, we were looking at mid 30s and are now in the high 20s, which will be lovely but not epoch defining.
Brockley, South East London 30m asl
cultman1
21 June 2018 12:59:39
TimS You obviously favour our usual summer weather patterns reading your continual pessimistic viewpoints when the weather is shaping up for potential heat and sun a rarity in the UK . I certainly welcome next week with open arms and hope it lasts for a reasonable length of time

BBC radio 4 radio weather at 1 pm advised that next week some parts of the country will certainly reach 30 degrees which is excellent news

bledur
21 June 2018 13:14:50

I just dont get how 30 degrees and sultry heat is so exciting. A pleasant summer,s day of 25 degrees and comfotrtable humidity is far more enjoyable I wonder what a poll would reveal ?

Chunky Pea
21 June 2018 13:51:21

I just dont get how 30 degrees and sultry heat is so exciting. A pleasant summer,s day of 25 degrees and comfotrtable humidity is far more enjoyable I wonder what a poll would reveal ?

Originally Posted by: bledur 

I think it would be statistically interesting but that is about all, though I accept that some people love intense heat. Today for me is perfect. Temps between 14-16c in a good dry breeze. Not cold, not oppressively warm, but just right. 


Patrick,

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The Beast from the East
21 June 2018 14:15:15

 

I think it would be statistically interesting but that is about all, though I accept that some people love intense heat. Today for me is perfect. Temps between 14-16c in a good dry breeze. Not cold, not oppressively warm, but just right. 

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

I'd like 6 inches of snow all year round, but I accept I'm a weirdo

For people like me who hate heat, the only straw of comfort today is a possible stronger easterly breeze which will hopefully blow in some low cloud which may take time to burn off


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Maunder Minimum
21 June 2018 14:37:52

I just dont get how 30 degrees and sultry heat is so exciting. A pleasant summer,s day of 25 degrees and comfotrtable humidity is far more enjoyable I wonder what a poll would reveal ?

Originally Posted by: bledur 

Personally I like to experience 30 degrees plus for a summer weekend, just for the sake of it. But if I am honest, a general temperature of 25 degrees is far more comfortable.


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Caz
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21 June 2018 15:50:15

 

Personally I like to experience 30 degrees plus for a summer weekend, just for the sake of it. But if I am honest, a general temperature of 25 degrees is far more comfortable.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

My feelings too!  I like extremes but only occasionally. At one time I would have said a good summer included several 30c days and sultry, sticky, uncomfortable nights.  But these days I value my sleep and I’ve learnt that more than 25c has me looking for shade.  I’d be more than happy if summer continued here as it’s been since early May. 


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