Saint Snow
11 June 2018 19:48:53

Originally Posted by: Col 

and it will keep the east coast contingent happy too!


Is that a prerequisite?


Personally, I'm not into self-immolation just so someone else can be happy. I'm sure the east has had a fair few nice days over the past 6 weeks. It's not like it's ONLY the NW/W of Britain that's had it good.



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11 June 2018 21:19:09

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


Is that a prerequisite?



To what exactly?


Quote:


Personally, I'm not into self-immolation just so someone else can be happy. I'm sure the east has had a fair few nice days over the past 6 weeks. It's not like it's ONLY the NW/W of Britain that's had it good.



What exactly is your problem here?? All I said was that a westerly based high pressure regime will suit the east coast rather than an easterly based one. Sorry, but am I missing something here??


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LeedsLad123
11 June 2018 22:38:45

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


Is that a prerequisite?


Personally, I'm not into self-immolation just so someone else can be happy. I'm sure the east has had a fair few nice days over the past 6 weeks. It's not like it's ONLY the NW/W of Britain that's had it good.



May as a whole was a fabulous month pretty much everywhere, it's the first 10 days of June and to a lesser extent the last week of May that have been fairly lackluster in the east.


The last time we had more than 10 hours of sun was over 12 days ago. That says a lot. The difference between west and east has been incredibly stark.


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moomin75
12 June 2018 06:54:03
0zs from GFS AND ECM all looking very nice and ridgy. This upcoming unsettled blip may be just that. It's been a cracking start to summer.
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Joe Bloggs
12 June 2018 06:58:37

Yes looking very positive this morning. 


Not wall to wall sunshine by any means, and a keen SW’ly drift for the far NW, but overall looking dry and settled after a very brief unsettled spell.



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Joe Bloggs
12 June 2018 11:39:31

The models are struggling with the southerly extent of the jet so caution is still required. 


In this respect the 06z GFS op is a bit crap. The mean is better though so hopefully an outlier, or at least one of the more unsettled options.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSAVGEU06_180_1.png


 



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12 June 2018 12:24:31

Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


The models are struggling with the southerly extent of the jet so caution is still required. 


In this respect the 06z GFS op is a bit crap. The mean is better though so hopefully an outlier, or at least one of the more unsettled options.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSAVGEU06_180_1.png


 



Every run for over a week now has included two or three ensemble members where a proper hot high gets detached over the U.K. and subjects us to a sustained scorcher. But it’s never the op. And in recent summers I can remember countless times seeing repeated ens members doing likewise. So far, and to be honest since 2006, it’s never once transpired except out of season.


Even 2013 didn’t feature a true “red from the med”.


Perhaps, like the beast this year, its time will come and when we get one we’ll get three in short succession. Just hopefully unlike the beast it won’t be the last week in August and the start of September.


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speckledjim
12 June 2018 13:30:36
Certainly looking promising from early next week, keeping fingers crossed.....
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Joe Bloggs
12 June 2018 16:49:23

The start of the next settled(ish) spell is now creeping into the more reliable timeframe.


The 12z GFS mean cloud cover chart for lunchtime on Monday is probably a good indicator of likely conditions, a lot of cloud towards the NW, but generally sunny and dry in the SE. 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU12_144_33.png


The south of England looks fairly dry and warm for the foreseeable, but much more cloud, wind and some rain in Scotland and Northern Ireland. 



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12 June 2018 19:15:07
All looking suspiciously flat isobarred and over zonal on GFS. I think come the time it’ll be more ridgy or troughy. The ECM evening run looks quite credible: recurring ridges getting squeezed south by swooping lows.

Still looking for the magical dogger bank high. It’s not making any appearances on op runs at the moment.
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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
12 June 2018 20:09:06

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It looks like changeable weather is expected, and also expected is some very warm and sunny conditions.


There is a chance of rain and showers and Low Pressure but it looks fine and dry sunny at times with westerly winds in the NW and North of the UK.


Pretty normal situation weatherwise for this time of year.


I am pretty happy with the kind of summer we have had in London in May and June so far this year.


But there is one thing- it is if it rained a few more days and it gave the plants and fields regular watering that would be helpful and kind.


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It has been very warm and comfortably warm but not particularly hot and it has so far been a mix of cloudy and sunny days some partially, and the less warm days provided a very welcome relief.


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
Saint Snow
12 June 2018 20:32:18

Originally Posted by: Col 


What exactly is your problem here?? All I said was that a westerly based high pressure regime will suit the east coast rather than an easterly based one. Sorry, but am I missing something here??



 


Caught me at a time when I was getting sick of people saying "sick of this easterly, bring back westerlies". To see a fellow NW Englander who's presumably enjoyed a similarly brilliant spell of weather for here under easterlies say [in my mind] that the shift to westerlies (likely meaning crap for us) would have the consolation of the easterners being happy tipped me over the edge. Sorry if I misinterpreted the point you were making.



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Whether Idle
12 June 2018 20:49:22

Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


The start of the next settled(ish) spell is now creeping into the more reliable timeframe.


The 12z GFS mean cloud cover chart for lunchtime on Monday is probably a good indicator of likely conditions, a lot of cloud towards the NW, but generally sunny and dry in the SE. 


 



Bring it on.  Whilst May and June thus far have been warm and summer like, the days have been blighted at times by North sea clag, particularly the mornings.


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12 June 2018 21:01:25

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


 


Caught me at a time when I was getting sick of people saying "sick of this easterly, bring back westerlies". To see a fellow NW Englander who's presumably enjoyed a similarly brilliant spell of weather for here under easterlies say [in my mind] that the shift to westerlies (likely meaning crap for us) would have the consolation of the easterners being happy tipped me over the edge. Sorry if I misinterpreted the point you were making.



All I actually meant was a nice ridging Azores high should bring decent enough weather for us , even though it's essentially westerly based, yet bring an end to the eastery muck that has plauged  some areas.


 


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Joe Bloggs
12 June 2018 21:07:24

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


 


Caught me at a time when I was getting sick of people saying "sick of this easterly, bring back westerlies". To see a fellow NW Englander who's presumably enjoyed a similarly brilliant spell of weather for here under easterlies say [in my mind] that the shift to westerlies (likely meaning crap for us) would have the consolation of the easterners being happy tipped me over the edge. Sorry if I misinterpreted the point you were making.



If the Azores High ridges far enough north then the whole of Northern England from Liverpool to Hull could do alright. :) 


At the moment touch and go for our patch. My suspicion at present is fairly cloudy at times but staying generally dry. 



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13 June 2018 07:01:31
The ECM again shows attempts at ridging being squashed by Atlantic lows, and a generally WNW flow which is OK for the far South but bad for everyone else and bad for the near continent too. I feel we are entering a spell that will be the summer equivalent of “at least it will be mild”.
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Lionel Hutz
13 June 2018 07:44:59

To be honest, at the moment, I'd like to see a little bit of unsettled weather - we could do with the rain. We've got a rainbelt moving in from the West today but I suspect that only the NW half of Britain/Ireland will see appreciable rain form this one.


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/datukgfshires.aspx?display=fax&model=fax


Saturday looks like the day when we could all see something a bit more substantial.


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/gefs.aspx?run=na&lg=850&lglocation=Dublin


After that, maybe settling down again. 


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Brian Gaze
13 June 2018 08:12:02

Looks quite nondescript to me. 160 for 4 at the tea interval and a bit more life in the pitch than looked likely before start of play. Could go either way. All to play for.


 


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Saint Snow
13 June 2018 08:27:47

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Looks quite nondescript to me. 160 for 4 at the tea interval and a bit more life in the pitch than looked likely before start of play. Could go either way. All to play for. 



 


Surprisingly little difference with the Liverpool GEFS, Liverpool with some slightly higher PPN spikes initially and perhaps a degree or two cooler intermittently.





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13 June 2018 08:30:48

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Looks quite nondescript to me. 160 for 4 at the tea interval and a bit more life in the pitch than looked likely before start of play. Could go either way. All to play for.


 



 


Here's hoping we get a good 5th wicket partnership rather than a more typical middle order collapse ......


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