Now Glasgow processed, mean score is 47.70 which is slightly worse than Bradford.  Glasgow does quite well on sunshine but gets killed on rain days (low score on 'dry days') and can be cool July August.

The Index reveals that it is very likely that summer 2017 is the worst of the millennium in Glasgow (Paisley), the provisional score of 41.81 is I think optimistic!

The Scots have had every right to moan, (Richard is justified in his poetic polemics this summer) the provisional difference between Manston and Glasgow is 22.34 which is big.

Edit - London is next!

Simple	Summer	Index	by WI
Year	Manston	Bradford	Glasgow
2001	66.4	50.77	45.19
2002	64.41	47.02	43.46
2003	74.13	52.77	51.63
2004	57.46	46.11	44.92
2005	65.42	51.71	51.73
2006	70.05	57.04	57.4
2007	59.14	46.85	45.78
2008	65.77	43.1	42.45
2009	68.54	49.42	46.89
2010	62.58	49.63	48.5
2011	59.69	53.97	48.74
2012	55.1	41.11	42.1
2013	58.97	58.4	57.26
2014	56.48	53.71	55.2
2015	56.01	50.58	44.97
2016	63.76	48.87	43.01
*2017	64.15	47.8	41.81
*estimate

 

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I am surprised Glasgow isn't a lot worse than Bradford being much further north and a lot more exposed to Atlantic influence.

I suspect Penrith is closer to Glasgow than Bradford being on the wrong side of the Pennies.

Andy

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I am surprised Glasgow isn't a lot worse than Bradford being much further north and a lot more exposed to Atlantic influence.

I suspect Penrith is closer to Glasgow than Bradford being on the wrong side of the Pennies.

Andy

Glasgow surprised me too.  In fact, if it was just June based, then Glasgow would do well, and be better than Bradford, but July and August can really be bad up there.  I'm aiming to add a further 20 stations over the next few weeks to get a national picture. 

WI

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Just how cool it has been recently in London with cooler nights than one would expect in August, I woke up to dew on my car this morning in mid August. A very rare occurence , in fact I do not remember in the 10 years of living in Fulham experiencing dew at this point in the summer....

2013 shows remarkably similar scores for all three sites. Everyone should have been happy with 2013 then , I bet there was still a fair amount of moaning.   We are all waiting for the Aberdeen scores ...

 

 

 

 

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It looks a real possibility that this summer is going to be the wettest since 2012 for England and Wales.

It is now.

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Like you Tim, we have had a good week up here. I've been out walking every day and Sat out every evening. Only around 18 C but fine in the sun. Even today we have sunshine with the light rain and its a humid 19 C

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This morning's forecast was for rain, but I went out for a very long walk this morning and returned home at just after lunchtime. During that time, I didn't even have to worry once about even the possibility of getting wet and the Sun even came out a few times. In fact, the only bit of rain which we have had today which can be regarded as 'significant' came on the form of a brief shower which we had a short while ago.

I recently mentioned that if about 1 mm of rain is recorded at Gogarbank for today with the weekend then being completely dry, the rainfall figures for this month at that same station will then be drier than average going into Monday. However, we had three completely days in a row going into today with the day before that, having just 0.8 mm of rain. Because of that, I had already said beforehand that this month would actually already be running drier than average after today if today was to be completely dry as well.

Since we have had that brief shower of rain a wee while ago, today won't quite go down as a completely dry day. Furthermore, conditions might still be slightly different at Gogarbank compared to my own part of Edinburgh due to the usual local variations. However, I will be surprised if the recorded rainfall at Gogarbank for today comes in at more than a small fraction of 1 mm, and that could well still be enough for this month to be running drier than average after today, which would have been completely unthinkable even going into today.

Furthermore, the forecast for the weekend is still quite good apart from an odd shower, so those drier than average rainfall figures look set to be further consolidated over the course of the weekend which is a far cry from what is happening in SE England where so much rain has fallen in many places during this week in particular, that they have already been guaranteed a wetter than average August this year even if the rest of the month is completely bone dry down there.

I think, I know which of those scenarios I would rather have.

Edit:

It is interesting as well, that even the CET anomaly is now running negative (cooler than average) during this month so far. That of course, is something which very rarely happens these days (that happened at exactly the same time in 2014, but that wasn't enough to prevent that from being the warmest year on record according to the CET records), and isn't it funny that this never seems to happen during the winter, which is the very time of year when we actually want that to be happening.

 

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Just how cool it has been recently in London with cooler nights than one would expect in August, I woke up to dew on my car this morning in mid August. A very rare occurence , in fact I do not remember in the 10 years of living in Fulham experiencing dew at this point in the summer....

That a bad sign when we see dew that early and this morning my bedroom window had some condensation so it must been cold last night.  Dad put the heating on for a short while yesterday afternoon before he took shower.  The house was rather cold at 18C and 20C downstairs but now recovered to 19C and 21C this morning but probably more now with the sun.  18-20C inside is rather cold for August as the average room temp is around 26C. 

It is now.

Very surprised at this as I seem to recall there was a lot of serious flooding in parts of England during the summer of 2012, but that does not seem to be the case this time around? (though I could well be mistaken on this)

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Amidst all of the talk about summer indexes on this thread, I have decided to dabble in my own one for here in Edinburgh.

To begin with, I had to learn what a summer index actually was and once I had done so, I then had to learn how to calculate that for any particular location or station (which might either by a station which someone maintains themselves, or a nearby official station which is used in the Met Office's statistics).

Since I am currently quoting all of my data for Edinburgh Gogarbank just now (which is my nearest official Met Office station), I decided to go for the same location for working out my summer indexes. In order to learn what a summer index actually is, I did a Google search for 'Manchester Summer Index' since that is the one which is most commonly used on this forum. When I did that, I found a post which KevBrads1 from this forum posted on another forum over at NetWeather on 31 May 2009 where he also very nicely, posted the formula for working that out.

From what I learned there, I discovered that in order to calculate a similar index for here in Edinburgh, I had to obtain some past data for the number of rain days, the max temps and the total sunshine hours. I then turned to WeatherOnline to try to obtain that data and from, I got enough information to be able to work out this year's Edinburgh Summer Index (as I have decided to call it) which is now shown and updated on every one of my posts on every forum on this site.

As for past years though, I have not been able to go all the way back in time as much as what Kev has been able to do, and have only been able to get enough data to be able to work out last year's index in addition to this year's one. When I did that, I discovered that last year's index was a bit higher at 152, although this year's figure will probably increase a little bit further as we progress further through this month, since the rest of this month's sunshine totals will still need to be taken into consideration for that.

What is interesting though is the fact that actual rainfall amounts have no affect at all on these indexes. We had the wettest June on record here in Edinburgh with July having just above average rainfall and yet, June only had 14 rain days (which means that even in the wettest June on record, it is still possible for more than half of the number of days in June to still be completely dry which is exactly what happened here) whereas July had 18 rain days.

That means that June actually had fewer rain days than July even though June was by far, the wettest month in terms of the actual rainfall amounts and that means that July had a much more detrimental effect on our summer index than what June had. Nevertheless, the fact that my own figure for this year's Edinburgh summer index is lower than that which has been recorded by others, just confirms how poor a summer this has been overall.

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Next week looks absolutely atrocious! Copious rainfall looks set to fall on Tuesday, Thursday and Friday with temperatures barely into double figures. That is just about the worst that the weather can throw at us in August!

No doubt the below average brigade on Netweather will be celebrating however. Finally some comfortable weather in the midst of our incredibly hot Saharan summer!

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It didn't take long for any hopes of a completely dry weekend in this part of the world to go completely out of the window, as it is raining quite heavily here as I write, so this morning is a case of normal service resumed as far as this summer's weather goes in this part of the world. We don't yet have all of yesterday's data from WeatherOnline, so I don't know if yesterday's drier than expected day was enough for this month to be running drier than average up until now. However, there is the possibility now that the chances of seeing a drier than average anomaly for this month going into Monday could now be scuppered even if tomorrow is completely dry, especially if this morning's rain continues for any length of time.

It was all looking so promising as well up until now on that front although given the poor forecast for next week, any drier than average anomalies for this month probably wouldn't have been around for very long anyway, although it would have been nice to see them there (which could still happen if this rain which we are seeing just now doesn't last for any length of time).

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Make the most of this fine weekend they all said! Woke to heavy rain beating against the house on a strong NNE wind ???

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What is even more amazing is that when I first looked at the rain radar map when I first got up, there appeared to be virtually nothing there apart from an odd shower that has been dotted around here and there. if you went by that alone, you would therefore be thinking that there was nothing to really worry about as far as today's weather is concerned. According to that rain radar map though, this rain which we are getting just now then suddenly started to flare up from around 6am onwards.

Basically, we still have yesterday's weather front hanging around this morning which was supposed to have cleared away eastwards to leave us with that much better weekend which had been forecast. That weather front was a very weak feature during the early hours of this morning, but has now suddenly pepped up and become more active once again, to give us the really miserable weather which we have just now.

That in turn just shows you what our weather can be like, and how bad weather can suddenly flare up from virtually nothing, and appear from nowhere.

EDIT:

What is certain though is that although this month could still be drier than average so far if you only take that up to and including yesterday, there has already been so much rain this morning that this is now, no longer likely to be the case once that is taken until the end of today and so, I think that I can now safely say that my hopes of seeing a drier than average anomaly for this month going into Monday now appear to be well and truly scuppered as a result of what has happened this morning.

 

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This is just another of those utterly dire months from hell in which the weather is only decent when you're at work

After being stuck in the office with 20s temperatures and sun outside the weekend arrives and it is a disgusting rank 15C and cloudy. This follows on from some rain first thing 

Was thinking about a trip down to St Andrews given the good forecast but decided against it when I saw all the cloud about. Looks even more overcast than up here when it was meant to be 19C and sunny.

Not had one mostly sunny Saturday now since June which is just a joke. Another year of awful weekend weather and all the more depressing at this stage of the year when there are not many weekends left for doing things outdoors 

EDIT: Temperature has now fallen to 13.7C. Absolutely shockingly bad garbage weekend weather and once again I am beyond furious

Forecasters nowadays are nothing but a hopeless bunch of clowns. An ape drawing balls from a bag would get it right more often.

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Shocking forecast again from the Met Office...after this mornings heavy rain eventually petered out we are left with a dull cool day....makes me so angry how poor the forecasts are these days...whats the problem 😠

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14 C at 1300 😲

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Shocking forecast again from the Met Office...after this mornings heavy rain eventually petered out we are left with a dull cool day....makes me so angry how poor the forecasts are these days...whats the problem 😠

Finally though, the Sun has decided to make an appearance and there is a lot more blue sky around so perhaps the rest of today (and possibly the rest of the weekend as well), won't be quite so bad after all.

 

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Brief sunny spell here John but really heavy shower again now (1715)

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