The Beast from the East
22 February 2017 19:09:52

ECM builds a nice scandi high. Obviously not cold enough for snow, but it will feel like winter again


 


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JACKO4EVER
22 February 2017 20:55:01
The lack of model commentary speaks volumes.
doctormog
22 February 2017 21:05:43

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 

The lack of model commentary speaks volumes.


Yes there's no interesting weather coming up... 


Crepuscular Ray
22 February 2017 21:15:54
Think we are all a bit shocked that this potentially damaging storm has appeared so quickly with 20cm of snow and 80mph winds possible!
Jerry
Edinburgh, in the frost hollow below Blackford Hill
glenogle
22 February 2017 22:24:35

Originally Posted by: Crepuscular Ray 

Think we are all a bit shocked that this potentially damaging storm has appeared so quickly with 20cm of snow and 80mph winds possible!


Very much looking forward to it, it appears that a tiny northwards shift is possible and that should bring more snow my way 


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tallyho_83
23 February 2017 02:17:26

Colder Ensembles in FI - JUST FOR FUN:




 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 




 


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Tractor Boy
23 February 2017 08:48:51

Again, a small cluster of GFS ENS members (inc. the control) take the low road from day 6. Those that go down this route appear to allow a 'bubble' of heights to breakaway north to Greenland sending the jet south.


http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


E.g.


http://modeles7.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/runs/2017022300/gens-0-1-144.png


Dave
Farndale, North York Moors
The Beast from the East
23 February 2017 09:06:01

typical as we end winter, we see an Icelandic block on many GEFS


ECM op  doesn't build it though so still high levels of uncertainty


 


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fairweather
23 February 2017 13:55:04

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


Colder Ensembles in FI - JUST FOR FUN:




 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 



 




 



I think you should post a chart to back it up though 


S.Essex, 42m ASL
fairweather
23 February 2017 13:59:43

Perhaps us cold fans get a bit too hooked on the Atlantic having a say. Take this current storm. Interesting weather and transient blizzards in the north. I am old enough to remember storms such as these giving temporary blizzards in the south and south west. It wouldn't take much. Plus we often get a pattern reset. The blocking hasn't delivered this winter - I say give the enemy a chance now and again! 


S.Essex, 42m ASL
doctormog
23 February 2017 16:45:10
Bah humbug, bring on spring.

I'm impressed by the cool and unsettled outlook on the 05z ensemble data for up here.

http://meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?ext=1&lat=57.2&lon=-2.3 

Hopefully the 12z set will be better.
Charmhills
23 February 2017 17:31:44


Very unsettled Met/o 12z run, ending cold to.


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tallyho_83
23 February 2017 17:38:57

The GFS goes mild once again as well:



 


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doctormog
23 February 2017 17:43:39

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


The GFS goes mild once again as well:



 



Out of context that chart is of limited value as would every individual chart at day 11 in isolation. The 12z GEFS ensemble mean for this location bumps around at -5°C for t850s on the short ensemble set so not much sign of mildness in the realistic time period. 


nsrobins
23 February 2017 19:24:29
To be fair the idea of useful HLB is being largely dropped now, with just a scatter of 'cold' charts on offer (except on Ben Nevis 😉)

Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
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doctormog
23 February 2017 19:32:48

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

To be fair the idea of useful HLB is being largely dropped now, with just a scatter of 'cold' charts on offer (except on Ben Nevis 😉)


Very snowy for the hills* up here which is good. Cool and damp at lower levels which is just unpleasant. 


*(That's 1000ft plus for you southerners not 4000ft plus )


tallyho_83
23 February 2017 19:41:11

Still a few colder ensembles in FI:








Fast forward a day and HP moves up toward Greenland and allows northerly winds with snow.



 


 


 


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tallyho_83
24 February 2017 00:02:31

I saw this GFS 18Z @+384z showing a scandi HP and easterly albeit weak but why is it so mild!?


 




 


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moomin75
24 February 2017 00:23:13

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


I saw this GFS 18Z @+384z showing a scandi HP and easterly albeit weak but why is it so mild!?


 




 


Because its early spring and not winter. It's a south easterly element and stronger solar effects as we approach the equinox. Would need to be a direct long fetch easterly or north easterly to be cold in March. Time to give up Tally and look for spring.


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
doctormog
24 February 2017 07:18:45
Well spring will come calendar wise in a few days, the weather on the other hand looks a cool mess up here and just a messy picture generally across the UK. Pressure looks a bit higher to the north of the UK/Greenland region than recently leading to the risk of wintriness for/from the north as we head into March.
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