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29 January 2023 10:42:26

Extreme borefest cloudy HP for every one apart from DEW think his area weather is same as everywhere which is wrong as some posters in NW site who live in south coast did not see the sun for 4 days while Midlands yesterday here sun came out for 1 hour before brownish creamy pollution return.  The polar vortex act like a motor and nasty cloudy HP cells in south as a conveyor belt direct LP toward UK and precision make sure the flow have to be SW flow over UK and a diverter HP to the east prevent LP dive to Europe to give us snowy N, NE and E winds every time so LP  goes back to square one to the Altantic to repeat again with SW winds.  

Originally Posted by: Jiries 



Not at all - I was just pointing out that if you want to see the sun rather than 'brownish creamy pollution' you should move away from the Midlands and down to the south coast.
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ARTzeman
29 January 2023 10:54:35
West Is Best so they say. Not best for snow this winter. 




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Others just get wet.
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Jiries
29 January 2023 14:59:48

Not at all - I was just pointing out that if you want to see the sun rather than 'brownish creamy pollution' you should move away from the Midlands and down to the south coast.

Originally Posted by: DEW 



Same weather anywhere with cloudy weather and why not tell Richard A to move down to south coast as well?  Sun came out 1 hour yesterday and today 3-4 hours which warm up indoors to 17-18C before clouding over so it random or pot luck where the sun come out in any area.  One south coast in Sussex poster in NW site complained of not seeing sun for 4 day solid unlike here was only solid 2 days then came out yesterday and today.  You must be lucky to avoid the 4 days sunless day over Sussex coast location where the poster lives.

Temps had gone up to 10C and felt a bit spring like sun warmth.  
johncs2016
29 January 2023 16:16:35

Except it wasn't cloudy for everyone. There was plenty of sun in much of Scotland, Parts of Yorkshire and into Derbyshire and also a sliver of sunny weather in the south too.

https://worldview.earthdata.nasa.gov/?v=-10.632298519736839,50.322779605263165,3.3413856907894646,56.545435855263165&t=2023-01-28-T08%3A42%3A53Z 

Originally Posted by: Col 



That is actually correct and indeed, this month has been sunnier than average overall at Edinburgh Gogarbank. This month has also been slightly milder than average which is generally what we don't want to be seeing in a winter month but even with that, the number of air frosts during this month has still come out at around the 1991-2020 January average and with December being a colder and frostier month overall, we're actually doing quite well for frosts during this winter despite that recent period when we were mild up here with the south of England getting all of the cold and frosty weather.

There has been very little snow during this month but even in that department, I have seen far worse months and winters in recent times in particular, than what we are witnessing just now. Of course, you need to be getting some precipitation in the first place in order for any of that to be falling as snow. In comparison with the rest of the rest of the UK though, we have actually had very little in the way of recent rainfall to the point where I'm actually starting to forget what rain actually looks like, so it's no wonder that we've also had very little in the way of snowfall as well.

Indeed, my main gripe has been the lack of actual weather in the form of any precipitation, even in that period when it was pouring down with rain elsewhere in the UK. That to me, could well lead to some major issues here in SE Scotland as regards to water shortages during the spring and summer if we don't start to get more in the way of rainfall here before too long.
 
The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
tallyho_83
29 January 2023 21:58:24

Extreme borefest cloudy HP for every one apart from DEW think his area weather is same as everywhere which is wrong as some posters in NW site who live in south coast did not see the sun for 4 days while Midlands yesterday here sun came out for 1 hour before brownish creamy pollution return.  The polar vortex act like a motor and nasty cloudy HP cells in south as a conveyor belt direct LP toward UK and precision make sure the flow have to be SW flow over UK and a diverter HP to the east prevent LP dive to Europe to give us snowy N, NE and E winds every time so LP  goes back to square one to the Altantic to repeat again with SW winds.  

Originally Posted by: Jiries 



One for you Jiries - Look at the extremes just on the other side of the Atlantic - Halifax NS, Canada:

From above +7c down to 0c to -10c to max of -2c down to -15c high of -13c then plummet to -19c back up to +2c  with rain etc. - That's what I call interesting and changeable weather! 

https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/canada/halifax/ext 

PS - Should have posted it in the Unusual weather reports thread but these extremes are normal for eastern Canada.
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Jiries
29 January 2023 22:13:13

One for you Jiries - Look at the extremes just on the other side of the Atlantic - Halifax NS, Canada:

From above +7c down to 0c to -10c to max of -2c down to -15c high of -13c then plummet to -19c back up to +2c  with rain etc. - That's what I call interesting and changeable weather! 

https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/canada/halifax/ext 

PS - Should have posted it in the Unusual weather reports thread but these extremes are normal for eastern Canada.

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 



Changeable was often used in forecasts here but go outside is the same thing so more like repeating ones.  Also when they use forecast wintry showers, I only see is rain or snow, bright weather I only see is either full on cloudy or sunny spells to sunny weather.  Sleet I still don't see any of it just rain or snow. 
Like you said in Halifax get mild at times when they get SW flow but LP always move east clearly so that how they get cold air from the west unlike here LP just rebound back to square one to keep us in SW flow non-stop.
tallyho_83
29 January 2023 22:50:53

Changeable was often used in forecasts here but go outside is the same thing so more like repeating ones.  Also when they use forecast wintry showers, I only see is rain or snow, bright weather I only see is either full on cloudy or sunny spells to sunny weather.  Sleet I still don't see any of it just rain or snow. 
Like you said in Halifax get mild at times when they get SW flow but LP always move east clearly so that how they get cold air from the west unlike here LP just rebound back to square one to keep us in SW flow non-stop.

Originally Posted by: Jiries 



Yes - but love how it changes -2c to -19c to +2c rain!

I bet with those sorts of temperatures one day they could get snow, next day, heavy cold rain, rain and snow, sunny crisp days and then powdery dry snow followed by freezing rain and glaze etc - Exciting stuff unlike the borefest we get here.

 
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Jiries
30 January 2023 07:39:55

Yes - but love how it changes -2c to -19c to +2c rain!

I bet with those sorts of temperatures one day they could get snow, next day, heavy cold rain, rain and snow, sunny crisp days and then powdery dry snow followed by freezing rain and glaze etc - Exciting stuff unlike the borefest we get here.

 

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


I would invest a top of the range weather station for that but here no way if this bland same thing all year round since late 00s.  Was more variety in the 80s 90s and up to 2006.  
Jiries
30 January 2023 15:25:28
Been sunny most of the day today so far and keeping in doors up to 18C and 17C upstairs the best strongest Jan solar input, and by next month should nudge 20C.   Midlands doing well from this supposed cloudy HP forecasts, seem the NW winds push them away as it quite windy.

Checking Feb forecast for heating usage if using up to £3 per day both gas and electric for 28 days would reach £84, that would give me £8 back in credits.  Need Feb to be mild with often sun around.  That mean heating in Feb to be up to 2 hours max while this month was 2-3 hours.  Hope further cuts to 1 hour in March to near nothing in April.  My next DD review is in May so hope to put back to £76 from £92 as it was before October 22 rise.
Bolty
31 January 2023 19:01:18
Yes! January is over, so that's the three worst months of the year for me (November, December and January) over and done with. As I've said, it's not the cold in winter for me, it's the darkness that drives me mental. It's nice to know now that those horrid late afternoon sunsets are done with for the next 9 months!
Scott
Blackrod, Lancashire (4 miles south of Chorley) at 156m asl.
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Tim A
02 February 2023 13:12:48
The wind has been highly irratating the last few days. 

From seemingly benign synoptics we get  near or gale force winds which have blown a few things over. 
48mph gust just recently.  Looking on Weatheronline, it seems we are once again one of the windest places in the country, it is the westerly winds, funnelling through the valleys. 
Tim
NW Leeds
187m asl

 My PWS 
Zubzero
02 February 2023 13:40:48

The wind has been highly irratating the last few days. 

From seemingly benign synoptics we get  near or gale force winds which have blown a few things over. 
48mph gust just recently.  Looking on Weatheronline, it seems we are once again one of the windest places in the country, it is the westerly winds, funnelling through the valleys. 

Originally Posted by: Tim A 



Yeah classic west-east flow, orographic rainfall been evident over Scotland for the past few days to. 
Saint Snow
02 February 2023 15:38:40

Yes! January is over, so that's the three worst months of the year for me (November, December and January) over and done with. As I've said, it's not the cold in winter for me, it's the darkness that drives me mental. It's nice to know now that those horrid late afternoon sunsets are done with for the next 9 months!

Originally Posted by: Bolty 




I know some people get affected by low daylight, but I really love dark nights in winter - especially when it's cold. Those days when it's cold and the skies are heavy or it's foggy, and never fully gets light... just wonderful.

I also love the long days and very late sunsets in high summer, too.

 

Martin
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richardabdn
02 February 2023 19:29:48
Winter was over here on the 18th December and what we have had to endure since is as disgusting and horrifying as anything in the past decade of shockingly poor winters.

Yet again the clowns put out a weather warning for Tuesday night and was there any severe weather? Of course not. There never is. All there was, was more vile rattling wind that keeps the temperatures from falling night after mind-numbing night 🙄

Two days into February and horror show doesn't begin to describe the putrid filth that has been vomited all over us once again. Over 20% of the monthly average rainfall already. Into the 6th month of this utter garbage? Is it ever going to end?

No more than 2 consecutive dry days in the past 6 weeks. Absolutely hideous. Even January 2014 had a five day dry spell and that was the most ludicrously revolting and unsettled winter in living memory 🤮

What the hell is happening to winter when we can't even get moderate frosts? In fact now we can't get any frosts at all. Hasn't dropped below 2.5C this week and just one air frost in two weeks. This evening the temperature is flatlining at a ridiculous 10C 🤬

Winter reduced to such a joke that frosts on a par with spring months can't be achieved and we're not even talking about cold spring months but very mild spring months:

Lowest Temperatures:

March 2021: -3.5
April 2021: -3.4
March 2022: -4.1

January 2022: -2.4
February 2022: -2.8
January 2023: -2.7

Two Januaries in a row so dire that they couldn't even reach -3C when there had been only two in 15 years before that and that was 15 years of terrible dross Januaries like nothing in history. 

How much more of this unceasing rotten demoralising rubbish can we be expected to put up with? Absolutely nothing for a weather enthusiast in this most unfulfilling of detestable climates 💩
 
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2024 - 2023 without the Good Bits
Tim A
03 February 2023 08:03:42
To make matters worth my 5 year old keeps asking when it will snow as he really wants to go sledging again. He has memories of deep snow in Jan and Feb 21 and also a few falls last winter.  There still hasn't been any measurable snow this season, so far only 2013/14 is on par with that in my lifetime as far as I am aware.  2013/14 was easier to accept as we had been completely spoilt in early 2013 well into Spring. 
Tim
NW Leeds
187m asl

 My PWS 
Jiries
03 February 2023 09:49:01

To make matters worth my 5 year old keeps asking when it will snow as he really wants to go sledging again. He has memories of deep snow in Jan and Feb 21 and also a few falls last winter.  There still hasn't been any measurable snow this season, so far only 2013/14 is on par with that in my lifetime as far as I am aware.  2013/14 was easier to accept as we had been completely spoilt in early 2013 well into Spring. 

Originally Posted by: Tim A 



One of the staff in my old deaf school in Boston Spa live on the top of the Bradford highest hills and he took us few time there.  Told me stories about snow was often reached 1ft at the top and highest 50cm which he couldn't go home as he had to stay over nights for a week in my school which also hit nearly 50cm in winter of 1985.    Those was the best days UK climate had before.  Can't remember the area of his house but was over looking Bradford city quite high up.  
Saint Snow
03 February 2023 09:56:29

To make matters worth my 5 year old keeps asking when it will snow as he really wants to go sledging again. He has memories of deep snow in Jan and Feb 21 and also a few falls last winter.  There still hasn't been any measurable snow this season, so far only 2013/14 is on par with that in my lifetime as far as I am aware.  2013/14 was easier to accept as we had been completely spoilt in early 2013 well into Spring. 

Originally Posted by: Tim A 




My youngest was born in 2008.

She has no memories of the multiple deep snowfalls in 09 & 10. 

Only vague memories of the 4 snowfalls in Jan & Mar 2013

She does remember the fall of Boxing Day night 2014 (around 6-7cm) but that was gone by the following morning.

All other snowfalls since - and there's been a surprisingly decent number - have been crap, almost all 1-2cm, with perhaps one or two 3-4cm.

The sledges have lay redundant in the garage for ten f*cking years now. She's had an entire childhood devoid of memories of even moderately deep snow and can barely recall sledging (from 2013)

Martin
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Jiries
03 February 2023 10:36:09

My youngest was born in 2008.

She has no memories of the multiple deep snowfalls in 09 & 10. 

Only vague memories of the 4 snowfalls in Jan & Mar 2013

She does remember the fall of Boxing Day night 2014 (around 6-7cm) but that was gone by the following morning.

All other snowfalls since - and there's been a surprisingly decent number - have been crap, almost all 1-2cm, with perhaps one or two 3-4cm.

The sledges have lay redundant in the garage for ten f*cking years now. She's had an entire childhood devoid of memories of even moderately deep snow and can barely recall sledging (from 2013)

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 



What about taking them abroad to see the snow yearly, that will help to bring happy snow memories? 1 week in the snow is enough to warrant a happy memories.
Saint Snow
03 February 2023 11:09:08

What about taking them abroad to see the snow yearly, that will help to bring happy snow memories? 1 week in the snow is enough to warrant a happy memories.

Originally Posted by: Jiries 




I'd rather spend my holiday budget on going somewhere in summer that's hot. On the one winter trip in recent times, it was Disneyland Paris at Xmas, which I wouldn't swap for the world as it's got some amazing memories.

 

Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Saint Snow
03 February 2023 11:29:00
Incidentally, my eldest (born 2003) has abundant memories of snow and sledging.

For some reason, she's got much more earlier memory than the youngest, and can remember the March 06 snowfall and sledging. In the following years, I took her to the Peak District a few times. The first time, I think 07, the snow was seriously deep; the road had been ploughed, with the 'wall' at the side about 2' deep. We found a place to park on a layby under some trees, which had given some protection so was 'only' about 6" deep. We went into a field that had a decent slope and collapsed in laughter when he stepped into a hollow that had been filled with snow to about 3' deep; was almost as tall as her!. I made a huge snowman in double-quick time because within about 10m of rolling, the ball had gone from cricket ball size to about 4foot in diameter, the snow was that deep. Great sledging. Incidentally, we'd had sleet ad some wet snow with nothing lying all the way across to and east of Manchester, and even at Lyme Park (270m asl), it was just a slushy mess. It was only climbing another hundred metres that the snow began to get better. The really deep stuff began at +400m asl.

We went the next two winters as well but the snow was nowhere near as deep (still a few/several inches, though, and great for sledging).

Then came Dec 09, Jan 10, Dec 10. A couple of low-snow winters, then Jan & Mar 13. The sledges were well-used!! 

I've actually got two in the garage that I picked up in a clearance from somewhere, and which have never been used. Think I've 5 sledges in all now 🤣, Never mind, perhaps I'll have grandkids one day (plenty of snow to come when the NAD shuts down altogether 😋)

Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
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Jiries
03 February 2023 12:50:48
Interesting read Saint, I really like to go to laptop and stay in a holiday home as my wife's colleague who is from Hungary stayed for 1 week and really enjoyed it there.  It cheaper to stay in a holiday home than hotels which is very expensive.  She want to see the snow since she hate the climate here and never offer snow like they get in Hungary. 

 
Tim A
03 February 2023 12:51:06

I'd rather spend my holiday budget on going somewhere in summer that's hot. On the one winter trip in recent times, it was Disneyland Paris at Xmas, which I wouldn't swap for the world as it's got some amazing memories.

 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Some years the Pennines could be used for a short snow fix but not much point this year as there has only been a couple of cm in most places.  Have to put up with moronic snow drivers too so not always the safest thing to do. 

I have been to Québec three times and skiing in the Alps many times (pre kids, far too expensive now) , each for a week and whilst I have experienced deep snow, I can't remember it ever actually snowing much whilst there .  Always dry and sunny  Disappointing as there is nothing better than to experience a disruptive snowfall as it falls. 

Love to experience a Mammoth Lakes  Sierra Nevada storm or a Buffalo, NY lake effect special but the chances of it happening when you book your actual holiday for are so low. 
Tim
NW Leeds
187m asl

 My PWS 
Jiries
03 February 2023 13:01:45

Some years the Pennines could be used for a short snow fix but not much point this year as there has only been a couple of cm in most places.  Have to put up with moronic snow drivers too so not always the safest thing to do. 

I have been to Québec three times and skiing in the Alps many times (pre kids, far too expensive now) , each for a week and whilst I have experienced deep snow, I can't remember it ever actually snowing much whilst there .  Always dry and sunny  Disappointing as there is nothing better than to experience a disruptive snowfall as it falls. 

Love to experience a Mammoth Lakes  Sierra Nevada storm or a Buffalo, NY lake effect special but the chances of it happening when you book your actual holiday for are so low. 

Originally Posted by: Tim A 



When my wife's work colleague went there was little snow then nearly half foot but temperatures was not very cold as it should be from the pictures I can see so wondering how often the snow falls in Lapland because they normally get lot of high snow depths.
Saint Snow
03 February 2023 13:04:37

Some years the Pennines could be used for a short snow fix but not much point this year as there has only been a couple of cm in most places.  Have to put up with moronic snow drivers too so not always the safest thing to do. 

I have been to Québec three times and skiing in the Alps many times (pre kids, far too expensive now) , each for a week and whilst I have experienced deep snow, I can't remember it ever actually snowing much whilst there .  Always dry and sunny  Disappointing as there is nothing better than to experience a disruptive snowfall as it falls. 

Love to experience a Mammoth Lakes  Sierra Nevada storm or a Buffalo, NY lake effect special but the chances of it happening when you book your actual holiday for are so low. 

Originally Posted by: Tim A 




The first time we went to Canada (Calgary) to visit my wife's sister there, we went in early May and for 2 weeks.

Arrived late afternoon and it was sweltering (80f) but there were some small - and rapidly melting - piles of snow dotted about on the drive to their house. They said it'd snowed heavily the week before. Mad.

After a few days, it started to cool down. By the halfway point of our fortnight, was barely above freezing in the day. Then it snowed. Started mid-evening and didn't stop till early the following morning. Proper heavy stuff with no wind, just big flakes falling incessantly. So beautiful.

Next morning, we chipped in clearing the pavement outside their house (a legal requirement!) of the almost foot of level snow. By the afternoon, it was bright sunshine and less cold. A few days later, we were sunbathing in 75f and all the snow melted.

Insane climate. Absolutely brilliant.

Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Jiries
03 February 2023 17:19:52

The first time we went to Canada (Calgary) to visit my wife's sister there, we went in early May and for 2 weeks.

Arrived late afternoon and it was sweltering (80f) but there were some small - and rapidly melting - piles of snow dotted about on the drive to their house. They said it'd snowed heavily the week before. Mad.

After a few days, it started to cool down. By the halfway point of our fortnight, was barely above freezing in the day. Then it snowed. Started mid-evening and didn't stop till early the following morning. Proper heavy stuff with no wind, just big flakes falling incessantly. So beautiful.

Next morning, we chipped in clearing the pavement outside their house (a legal requirement!) of the almost foot of level snow. By the afternoon, it was bright sunshine and less cold. A few days later, we were sunbathing in 75f and all the snow melted.

Insane climate. Absolutely brilliant.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 



Same my uncle in Toronto told me about the legal requirements to clear snow on public footpath that passed front of his house.  You can get sue if anyone slip or fall over their house boundary.  Other paths not part of the house are cleared by local snow removers.  
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