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Retron
03 February 2023 17:25:00

Same my uncle in Toronto told me about the legal requirements to clear snow on public footpath that passed front of his house.  You can get sue if anyone slip or fall over their house boundary.  Other paths not part of the house are cleared by local snow removers.  

Originally Posted by: Jiries 


It's one of the fun things here, in the rare event it snows enough to settle!

IIRC the rules in England and Wales, at least are that if you don't clear your path (or the public footpath) and someone falls over, tough cheese.

If you clear your path, or the footpath outside your house AND you take care with it (e.g. shovelling, then putting salt down, as opposed to using a kettle of hot water to melt the snow) and someone falls over, tough luck to them.

If you do a half-arsed job and someone falls over (black ice due to using water to melt the snow, for example) then you're at fault.

Whenever we get an inch or more of snow and it's likely to stick around for a day or two I'll clear my path, the path outside my house and one of the paths outside my neighbour's house, so around 100ft in total. I don't generally do the "round the corner" side of my neighbour's house, though, as that's another 120ft!
 
Leysdown, north Kent
Andy Woodcock
03 February 2023 22:48:27
Richard, I feel your pain, uk winters used to be full of interest if not always cold.

As a kid in the 1970's I  would watch with envy as Aberdeen was swept by blizzards even in the mildest of winters.

But now the UK has become a post Brexit Hell with a climate to match, a relentless borefest with a climate everywhere like southern Ireland.

So glad I have the Weather Reports from the 60's and 70's to remind me of what the UK climate could be like.

Andy
Andy Woodcock
Penrith
Cumbria

Altitude 535 feet

"Why are the British so worried about climate change? Any change to their climate can only be an improvement" John Daley 2001
Jiries
04 February 2023 06:25:27

Richard, I feel your pain, uk winters used to be full of interest if not always cold.

As a kid in the 1970's I  would watch with envy as Aberdeen was swept by blizzards even in the mildest of winters.

But now the UK has become a post Brexit Hell with a climate to match, a relentless borefest with a climate everywhere like southern Ireland.

So glad I have the Weather Reports from the 60's and 70's to remind me of what the UK climate could be like.

Andy

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 



That true and i ended weather data on 31st Dec 2012 as now too much borefest and only recorded few times for full month like hot July 2013, 2014 and May to Mid August 2018 which is the longest one.  Rest few days only during heatwaves.  Last year July 2022 was deleted because of 12 straight days of overcast weather after 40C as dont want to remember this nasty nightmare of very dull month. Waste of money to invest weather station in this borefest climate but bloody worth it if I was still living in Cyprus and be a member of Met office weather observer there as now more station members forming all over Cyprus to share daily reports on Kitaweather site and Cyprus Met office. Kita is a massive Cypriot weather fan and he put lot of news and updates and on FB which I talk to him sometimes on messenger.

Have you stop doing data also? 
Retron
04 February 2023 06:47:15


So glad I have the Weather Reports from the 60's and 70's to remind me of what the UK climate could be like.
Andy

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


I really feel sorry for youngsters growing up down here, up until the 90s you could gaurantee two or three 6inch+ snow events a decade, with the recent peak being in the 80s.

Since then - mere scraps. It does grate when you get some 20-year-old reporter gushing over how severe the inch of snow is that we've fluked, or how it's "bitterly cold" as the thermometer reads 6 degrees...

I've a feeling we'll never see the likes again. I'm lucky to have been a child of the 80s, but if I get to be old (doubtful, as my family tend to snuff it by 70), will anyone believe me when I say how snowy it used to be?


 
Leysdown, north Kent
Andy Woodcock
04 February 2023 08:40:41
I still have a weather station in Penrith but don't collect data as such as I am rarely at home, since retirement I have spent most of my time in South East Spain as we have a house there and will soon be selling the one in the UK to become a full time Spanish resident.

I couldn't stick the UK anymore, since Brexit its become a depressing place with a climate to match, I spent January in Penrith and it seemed like everyone was either on strike or not working at all, prices are through the roof and you need a second mortgage to put the heating on. It's not perfect in Spain but the climate is wonderful, I can go out for a meal for less than a tenner, buy a decent bottle of Red wine for £3 and drive 3 hours to the Sierra Nevada mountains for guaranteed sunny snow.

I was lucky to be back in Penrith for the surprise snowfall on January 16th, 7cms followed by hard frosts and sunshine, as Retron says it was a 'fluke' and I suspect it was a goodbye snowfall as I won't be in the UK at all next winter.

Another moan is that the MetO closed the long running weather station near Penrith after 120 years of high quality records, they couldn't be arsed to negotiate a lease of the land from the new owner, no doubt too busy on some Woke climate change initiative to be bothered, so a great climate record is lost for ever.

Back in Spain now and under light easterly winds the weather is sunny but cold, 16c during the day and 3c at night, however, the sun is strong enough to allow lunch to be taken outside, meanwhile back in Penrith its anticyclonic gloom and nightime temperatures that are higher than here!

Britain, the land of Brexit and Bartletts..........

Andy

 
Andy Woodcock
Penrith
Cumbria

Altitude 535 feet

"Why are the British so worried about climate change? Any change to their climate can only be an improvement" John Daley 2001
richardabdn
04 February 2023 09:02:19
Never mind snow. This winter is so ludicrously dire, depressing and horrific it can't even produce a frost 🤬

Should be the coldest part of the year and there has been one air frost since 20th January. I'm struggling to recall anything this shockingly bad at this time of year before.

Even the same period of 2013/14 which was seeing relentless rain and cloud had two air frosts in the same period: -2.4C on the 24th and -0.9C on the 26th.

It's just complete and utter garbage every single day. Nothing to enjoy, find interest in or look forward to. A miserable depressing hell devoid of anything a weather enthusiast could desire. A weather vacuum 🙄

Supposed to be seeing the sun this morning but yet more soulless, demoralising overcast grey crud for the third straight day with diabolical temperatures. It hasn't dropped below 7.8C since midnight 💤

I wish I could spend the winter out of this godforsaken country. I like to be active and spend a lot of time outdoors but every day it's a struggle just to get out of bed. It's hard to imagine there being anywhere on earth with a worse climate than the endurance test of the past 7 weeks 🤢

I just hope to god we don't get a rotten cold grey easterly dominated horror March which would be just too much to bear after this preposterously vile autumn and winter 🤮
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2023 - The Year that's Constantly Worse than a Bad November
2024 - 2023 without the Good Bits
Jiries
04 February 2023 09:20:10

I still have a weather station in Penrith but don't collect data as such as I am rarely at home, since retirement I have spent most of my time in South East Spain as we have a house there and will soon be selling the one in the UK to become a full time Spanish resident.

I couldn't stick the UK anymore, since Brexit its become a depressing place with a climate to match, I spent January in Penrith and it seemed like everyone was either on strike or not working at all, prices are through the roof and you need a second mortgage to put the heating on. It's not perfect in Spain but the climate is wonderful, I can go out for a meal for less than a tenner, buy a decent bottle of Red wine for £3 and drive 3 hours to the Sierra Nevada mountains for guaranteed sunny snow.

I was lucky to be back in Penrith for the surprise snowfall on January 16th, 7cms followed by hard frosts and sunshine, as Retron says it was a 'fluke' and I suspect it was a goodbye snowfall as I won't be in the UK at all next winter.

Another moan is that the MetO closed the long running weather station near Penrith after 120 years of high quality records, they couldn't be arsed to negotiate a lease of the land from the new owner, no doubt too busy on some Woke climate change initiative to be bothered, so a great climate record is lost for ever.

Back in Spain now and under light easterly winds the weather is sunny but cold, 16c during the day and 3c at night, however, the sun is strong enough to allow lunch to be taken outside, meanwhile back in Penrith its anticyclonic gloom and nightime temperatures that are higher than here!

Britain, the land of Brexit and Bartletts..........

Andy

 

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 



My big wish is my Dad should had brought a house in beloved Nicosia when was very cheap and kept it when he move back here in 1998 so I can go there many times I want and to retire there in future.  Yes Brexit is very stupid and biggest mistake. Notice more immigrants are coming in now than before Brexit? They thought Brexit meant to complete stop immigrants for good so only way is return to EU again then less immigrants coming here.

Bet there no prepay meters in Spain or food banks which show here worst than poor African nations. 
The Beast from the East
04 February 2023 09:59:56


Britain, the land of Brexit and Bartletts..........

Andy

 

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


LOL!
But at least thanks to the end of freedom of movement you wont get Sun reading Gammon expats invading Spain anymore
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speckledjim
04 February 2023 10:00:37

One of the staff in my old deaf school in Boston Spa live on the top of the Bradford highest hills and he took us few time there.  Told me stories about snow was often reached 1ft at the top and highest 50cm which he couldn't go home as he had to stay over nights for a week in my school which also hit nearly 50cm in winter of 1985.    Those was the best days UK climate had before.  Can't remember the area of his house but was over looking Bradford city quite high up.  

Originally Posted by: Jiries 


I live very near Boston Spa, my Dad lives there and my 2 daughters go to school there - it's lovely town
Thorner, West Yorkshire


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Jiries
04 February 2023 10:13:21

I live very near Boston Spa, my Dad lives there and my 2 daughters go to school there - it's lovely town

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 



Do they go to Comprehensive school which is nearby my old school?  Surely you drive pass my old school many times over Church street.

Climate wise in B. Spa have lot of variety I remember from snow events to yearly heatwaves at 30-33C every year during school terms. I know it got bad summers in 1986 to 1988 when I was already in Cyprus every summer holiday so every time I get back lovely warm Septembers.
speckledjim
04 February 2023 10:19:08

Do they go to Comprehensive school which is nearby my old school?  Surely you drive pass my old school many times over Church street.

Climate wise in B. Spa have lot of variety I remember from snow events to yearly heatwaves at 30-33C every year during school terms. I know it got bad summers in 1986 to 1988 when I was already in Cyprus every summer holiday so every time I get back lovely warm Septembers.

Originally Posted by: Jiries 


Yes, it's now an Academy. Driven past St John's many a time
Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
Jiries
04 February 2023 11:39:36

Yes, it's now an Academy. Driven past St John's many a time

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 



I went there last July and half way St John's to Boston Spa main road, there is another former school belong to St John's is St Vincent and you might see it abandoned for years. I saw it abandoned last year July and been told it will be demolished very soon to make way for Old people home.  If you had driven past lately was it still there or gone now?  
westv
04 February 2023 11:47:18
Winter is over. Let's close this thread and start the summer moaning thread ASAP. 🤣
At least it will be mild!
richardabdn
05 February 2023 16:34:32
Sat under a 1040mb high and did we get the sunny day that was forecast? Like hell we did.

Another absolutely stinking awful pile of rotten tedious crud is what we got. That's all we ever get 🤬🤬🤬

Beyond ridiculous. Almost total overcast, frostless and windy again. When in the name of hell did 1040mb highs ever come with force 5 wind before? Never is the answer. Whenever there was a high pressure there would be so little wind that my anemometer, which is sheltered, would record a mean spead of 0.0mph. Never happens any more. Not in this vile decade which makes the dross of the 2010s look acceptable by comparison 🤢

Can't tell the difference between 970mb, 1000mb, 1040mb any more. Just the same godforsaken 💩 regardless. Wednesday when pressure was under 1010mb was far better. Still the same detestable wind but at least it was sunny. Barely an hour of sun since 👎

All I can see is more of this worthless soul destroying tripe. It's looking like one of the worst Februaries on record to mark the centenary of the worst February on record. 

I am seriously wondering if there will even be a frost this month. That's how desperate things have got. Can't get something in the depths of winter that was always possible to get throughout the entirety of spring 😩

Life in the weather vacuum hell continues unabated 😪


 
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2023 - The Year that's Constantly Worse than a Bad November
2024 - 2023 without the Good Bits
johncs2016
05 February 2023 17:06:35

Winter is over. Let's close this thread and start the summer moaning thread ASAP. 🤣

Originally Posted by: westv 



Of course, there will still be the spring moaning thread to come before that at the beginning of March once the meteorological winter ends.

As far as the weather is concerned though, you could argue that for most of the UK, our so-called "winter" really ended just before last Christmas as this "winter" really consisted of just a week or so of cold weather at that time with that then being more or less "it" for our "winter".
 
The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
Jiries
05 February 2023 18:58:21

Sat under a 1040mb high and did we get the sunny day that was forecast? Like hell we did.

Another absolutely stinking awful pile of rotten tedious crud is what we got. That's all we ever get 🤬🤬🤬

Beyond ridiculous. Almost total overcast, frostless and windy again. When in the name of hell did 1040mb highs ever come with force 5 wind before? Never is the answer. Whenever there was a high pressure there would be so little wind that my anemometer, which is sheltered, would record a mean spead of 0.0mph. Never happens any more. Not in this vile decade which makes the dross of the 2010s look acceptable by comparison 🤢

Can't tell the difference between 970mb, 1000mb, 1040mb any more. Just the same godforsaken 💩 regardless. Wednesday when pressure was under 1010mb was far better. Still the same detestable wind but at least it was sunny. Barely an hour of sun since 👎

All I can see is more of this worthless soul destroying tripe. It's looking like one of the worst Februaries on record to mark the centenary of the worst February on record. 

I am seriously wondering if there will even be a frost this month. That's how desperate things have got. Can't get something in the depths of winter that was always possible to get throughout the entirety of spring 😩

Life in the weather vacuum hell continues unabated 😪


 

Originally Posted by: richardabdn 


HP is a winter killer period.  It just there to prevent any wintery weather for the UK, look at the winter snowy weather heating to Greece, Cyprus and the Middle East because of this current HP butt in to stop it heading this way.   I am not bother about it due to heating costs so the sun today help to warm indoors to 18C.  Was a bit hazy which effected indoor warmth levels, hazy sun give cool to luke warm sun rays so hope tomorrow super clear skies to allow strong warm to very warm sun ray indoors.
Andy Woodcock
06 February 2023 08:36:48
Winters now are made up of the following elements.

Weeks of mild, wet zonality with flooding and gales to bring down your garden fence.....Again!

Weeks of cloudy,  drizzly south westerlies with Uncle Barty sat with his fat arse over Spain

Weeks of anticyclonic gloom that brings little frost and eats up what remains of winter after the zonal spell.

One week with a Northerly Wind to remind us briefly what winter could be like

Repeated spells of severe winter cold in the US to fill our TV screens with crazy blizzards and warnings of -38c

The much loved 'Athens Snowfall Special' with Greek beaches snow covered to the waters edge

This winter has followed the recipe to the exact letter, we are cursed to live in this climate Death Zone

Andy
Andy Woodcock
Penrith
Cumbria

Altitude 535 feet

"Why are the British so worried about climate change? Any change to their climate can only be an improvement" John Daley 2001
LeedsLad123
07 February 2023 05:26:57

Winters now are made up of the following elements.

Weeks of mild, wet zonality with flooding and gales to bring down your garden fence.....Again!

Weeks of cloudy,  drizzly south westerlies with Uncle Barty sat with his fat arse over Spain

Weeks of anticyclonic gloom that brings little frost and eats up what remains of winter after the zonal spell.

One week with a Northerly Wind to remind us briefly what winter could be like

Repeated spells of severe winter cold in the US to fill our TV screens with crazy blizzards and warnings of -38c

The much loved 'Athens Snowfall Special' with Greek beaches snow covered to the waters edge

This winter has followed the recipe to the exact letter, we are cursed to live in this climate Death Zone

Andy

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 



I felt like this winter had been a sunny one, and looking at the Met Office website I was spot on - January was significantly sunnier than average in Leeds, with over 170% of the average January sunshine. Virtually everywhere in the UK had a sunnier-than-average January, with most places getting around 130-170% of the average January sunshine (Cumbria included). Only NW Scotland had a dull January.

February has so far been dry and sunny as well. Yesterday was glorious from start to finish. 

Far from being a drizzly or dull winter, it’s been reasonably pleasant and usable as far as winter weather goes - plenty of frosts & crisp sunny days. Your description of this winter is pretty wide off the mark from my point of view (and it certainly isn’t backed up by official weather data).

Personally I will take a spring-like February any year. Many recent Februaries have felt like early spring & long may it continue. Let the Yanks freeze in miserable -30 degree weather, that’s nothing to be jealous of. 
Whitkirk, Leeds - 85m ASL.
CreweCold
07 February 2023 05:59:40
I have a feeling that winter will show its hand in spring this year...

Why can't we just get winter in winter??

Crewe, Cheshire
55 metres above sea level
Jiries
07 February 2023 07:04:54

I felt like this winter had been a sunny one, and looking at the Met Office website I was spot on - January was significantly sunnier than average in Leeds, with over 170% of the average January sunshine. Virtually everywhere in the UK had a sunnier-than-average January, with most places getting around 130-170% of the average January sunshine (Cumbria included). Only NW Scotland had a dull January.

February has so far been dry and sunny as well. Yesterday was glorious from start to finish. 

Far from being a drizzly or dull winter, it’s been reasonably pleasant and usable as far as winter weather goes - plenty of frosts & crisp sunny days. Your description of this winter is pretty wide off the mark from my point of view (and it certainly isn’t backed up by official weather data).

Personally I will take a spring-like February any year. Many recent Februaries have felt like early spring & long may it continue. Let the Yanks freeze in miserable -30 degree weather, that’s nothing to be jealous of. 

Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 


Agreed and had helped me cut rapidly on heating costs due to many sunny days.  I find this winter sunshine amount far much better than last year summer which was very dull on social hours and unusable.
Gusty
07 February 2023 16:09:11
Sun streaming through the west facing window. A temperature indoors of 20.3c with no heating on. Loving it.

Hurry up Spring. 
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Jiries
07 February 2023 18:14:34

Sun streaming through the west facing window. A temperature indoors of 20.3c with no heating on. Loving it.

Hurry up Spring. 

Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Same here was 19C indoors yesterday at 8C outside but today not sure as I am not at home when it was sunny 10C so maybe 19.5 or 20C.  Nuneaton warmer than Slough at 8C and this weekend hope to have heating free days.  SE flow should being full sunshine.
Saint Snow
07 February 2023 18:30:39
At 1pm today, the temp outside here, according to the car, was 3c.

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Spring Sun Winter Dread
07 February 2023 18:42:24
In fairness the December cold snap was the best spell of cold weather we've had in my area since the Beast from East at the very least (little bit of accidental.poetrt there ) at end of Feb and start of March 2018 (that being chiefly notable for how late in season it was) and I suspect most people in the UK could say the same. 
We have recently had several winters (2019/20, 2021/22 and further back 2013/14) pass with essentially no cold snaps at all. This year we saw a ten day subzero CET in December with some snow and night temps low enough to burst my neighbour's pipes (not fun!!), a very cold anticyclonic late Jan spell (I appreciate not replicated everywhere) and now in Feb we are getting superb diurnal.range with frosty nights and mild days. CET is running at quite normal levels too, after a cold Dec and a mild but not v mild Jan.
Will the winter be memorable years from now ? Probably not.
Has it been really poor by recent standards though ?
I would have to say no. 
Saint Snow
07 February 2023 19:20:59

At 1pm today, the temp outside here, according to the car, was 3c.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 



And just now it's 6c

😖

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