Quantum
12 February 2021 11:35:30

Originally Posted by: Tim A 

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU06_324_1.png
If that came off I would hope with more easterly than ENE or NE winds showers would penetrate further inland. Seems more of a classic Scandy High setup. Of course melting between showers and warm ground may still be an issue but I would jump at another chance of distruptive snow.


Best chance might be that feature coming off the north sea. Its certainly interesting!


 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Brian Gaze
12 February 2021 11:37:47

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


To be fair easterlies are never likely to be great for his location, in terms of snow. As Brian has mentioned, the best snow for central parts often comes when the synoptics are just getting ready for an easterly....



I'm told that snow depths around here were not notable even during the big daddy event in Jan 1987. Therefore, I'm not sure what some people were expecting. Even during the best cold spells in the UK snow events usually boils down to one or two disturbances only unless you're in a coastal location or we're well into the meteorological spring when land based convections kicks up a gear.


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doctormog
12 February 2021 11:40:05
So the theme of a breakdown with a bit of snow and a bit more rain at the weekend then milder next week with hints of something cooler in the longer term but with little agreement regarding that aspect.
Quantum
12 February 2021 11:51:40

That feature in the east was badly predicted.


That's what I'm hoping for the French/Spanish trough.


Look at the streamer in E anglia.


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Downpour
12 February 2021 12:04:55

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


 


 


Indeed, but I think this March has all the hallmarks of a cold one perhaps very cold.



And rightfully so. Two thirds of the month are in astronomical winter.


There is a reason that old wives tell us that it comes in like a lion, and out like a lamb...


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Sevendust
12 February 2021 12:34:23

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


I'm told that snow depths around here were not notable even during the big daddy event in Jan 1987. Therefore, I'm not sure what some people were expecting. Even during the best cold spells in the UK snow events usually boil down to one or two disturbances only unless you're in a coastal location or we're well into the meteorological spring when land based convections kicks up a gear.



I had hoped to scrape 5cm over this spell but that would have relied on a Thames Streamer. As you have said, snow in our locations often comes at the outset ( or more rarely the end) of an easterly spell. The reality is that I probably had 1 or 2cm from flurries but most just melted or evaporated before being any use

CField
12 February 2021 13:16:53

Great post found from  here ....forever optimistic 


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twocommunity/default.aspx?g=posts&t=17263


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Brian Gaze
12 February 2021 13:24:12

Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


 


I had hoped to scrape 5cm over this spell but that would have relied on a Thames Streamer. As you have said, snow in our locations often comes at the outset ( or more rarely the end) of an easterly spell. The reality is that I probably had 1 or 2cm from flurries but most just melted or evaporated before being any use



TBH this has also come in at the low end of my expectations. At the outset I set a wide range, suggesting snow depths locally would be between 1cm and 10cm with about 5cm being the most likely outcome. At best we ended up with ~2cm on the grass and that was melting.   


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Whether Idle
12 February 2021 13:28:35

10/10 for the cold spell here


No marginality


2 major falls both 7cms or more


Powder snow\No drip drip (no marginality) 


Ice days


At least 8 days of snow cover IMBY  Simply the best spell here this millennium.  Far better than 2018, 2013 was not as snowy in one hit, 2010 was too patchy down here, not sustained, and 2005 was too marginal at times.


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Schnow in Peace
12 February 2021 14:23:03

Can certainly see where the METO longer range outlook is coming from on the 06 GFS. Usual caveats apply but look at the second cold pool following the one that goes through from around T300surprised

Hungry Tiger
12 February 2021 14:27:05

Originally Posted by: Tim A 

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU06_324_1.png
If that came off I would hope with more easterly than ENE or NE winds showers would penetrate further inland. Seems more of a classic Scandy High setup. Of course melting between showers and warm ground may still be an issue but I would jump at another chance of distruptive snow.



Looks very promising - Hard to see that verifying though.


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squish
12 February 2021 15:27:37
12z ICON bashes the block with successive short waves , but the overall synoptic picture in a weeks time looks quite promising
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Hippydave
12 February 2021 15:58:05

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


10/10 for the cold spell here


No marginality


2 major falls both 7cms or more


Powder snow\No drip drip (no marginality) 


Ice days


At least 8 days of snow cover IMBY  Simply the best spell here this millennium.  Far better than 2018, 2013 was not as snowy in one hit, 2010 was too patchy down here, not sustained, and 2005 was too marginal at times.



Bit OT but as it's quiet in here.....


6.5/10 for me.


4 days with falling snow, mostly light.


No fall greater than 3cm and ground remained too warm for the light snow to settle in places until Wednesday (typically it's all now frozen solid and any snow would settle from the off). Due to the patchy cover on the warmer/wetter bits the limited snowcover in some areas was quite readily melted off by the sun. 


Max depth on my decking (sheltered from the sun and worst of the wind) was 6cm. 


Depth of cold decent though - 2 definite ice days, today maxed at 0.2c, tomorrow looks similar and I don't think Sunday will warm up much before midnight so I'll have had snow cover for 8 days at least.


Whetted the appetite but not satiated, so hoping some of the nicer looking FI charts come off


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warrenb
12 February 2021 16:20:35

Originally Posted by: Hippydave 


 


Bit OT but as it's quiet in here.....


6.5/10 for me.


4 days with falling snow, mostly light.


No fall greater than 3cm and ground remained too warm for the light snow to settle in places until Wednesday (typically it's all now frozen solid and any snow would settle from the off). Due to the patchy cover on the warmer/wetter bits the limited snowcover in some areas was quite readily melted off by the sun. 


Max depth on my decking (sheltered from the sun and worst of the wind) was 6cm. 


Depth of cold decent though - 2 definite ice days, today maxed at 0.2c, tomorrow looks similar and I don't think Sunday will warm up much before midnight so I'll have had snow cover for 8 days at least.


Whetted the appetite but not satiated, so hoping some of the nicer looking FI charts come off



And down in the valley to the north of T Wells we have had 4 ice days (including today with a high of -07.c). It takes it's time to get cold down here , but once it does, it gets properly cold.


warrenb
12 February 2021 16:40:08
Looks like GFS is brewing again.
Joe Bloggs
12 February 2021 16:50:45

Haven’t looked at the models for a little while and just made the mistake of looking at the 12z MetO at T+144.


Yuck . ๐ŸŒงโ˜”๏ธ๐Ÿ’จ


Doesn‘t scream mild and dry to me!



 



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Ally Pally Snowman
12 February 2021 16:56:28

Verging on record breaking warmth from the GFS  12z . Remarkable set up could be on the way. Followed by another Beast?


 


https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=20&model=gfs&var=17&run=12&time=267&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=3#mapref


 


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Whether Idle
12 February 2021 18:02:41

Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Haven’t looked at the models for a little while and just made the mistake of looking at the 12z MetO at T+144.


Yuck . ๐ŸŒงโ˜”๏ธ๐Ÿ’จ


Doesn‘t scream mild and dry to me!



 



That is a bag 'o shite


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LeedsLad123
12 February 2021 18:13:57

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Verging on record breaking warmth from the GFS  12z . Remarkable set up could be on the way. Followed by another Beast?


 


https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=20&model=gfs&var=17&run=12&time=267&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=3#mapref


 



that is a beautiful chart - widespread high teens. 


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marco 79
12 February 2021 18:39:19
GEFS midday = Game over for Winter..
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