tallyho_83
30 January 2021 12:21:37

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Beeb now going for a dry days , tomorrow and Monday - weather fronts hardly making it past the very far SW



So 3 days after all then?


I actually meant Monday into Tuesday btw.


Yes I notice tomorrow was meant to be yet another snow event for Midlands northwards but now shows cloudy. Clearly the low is taking a southerly track or becoming fragmented.


We really need to dry out as Moomin says  - this amount of rain is ridiculous.


Enjoy the snow today Marcus.


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GezM
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30 January 2021 12:56:40
I notice that the Met Office weather warnings for early next week have shrunk, shifted north and been removed from Monday.
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Gavin D
30 January 2021 14:24:25

Thursday 4 Feb -Saturday 13 Feb


Low pressure dominant over the UK at first, bringing outbreaks of rain and snow over northern areas on Thursday with snow perhaps to lower levels. Further south milder and brighter with sunny spells and showers. High pressure then looks to gradually build to the north, introducing cold and dry weather across the UK with the chance of wintry showers along eastern coastal areas. Feeling cold, potentially very cold, especially in brisk easterly winds with widespread overnight frosts and the risk of icy stretches and wintry hazards. There remains the possibility of milder and wetter conditions fringing the far northwest at times along with organised areas of cloud and precipitation making limited progress inland from the southwest.


Saturday 13 Feb -Saturday 27 Feb


Confidence is low for mid-February onwards however similar conditions look most likely with high pressure remaining to the north of the UK bringing overall colder than average conditions and below average precipitation amounts. Through this period the risk of wintry hazards continues to be greater than normal with snowfall most likely in eastern areas. There remains the possibility of less cold interludes occurring from the west and southwest bringing wetter and milder conditions. In such instances, at the boundary between cold and mild air masses there remains the risk of disruptive snowfall.


 


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/

Gooner
30 January 2021 16:23:50

Best update of the winter for sure




Low pressure dominant over the UK at first, bringing outbreaks of rain and snow over northern areas on Thursday with snow perhaps to lower levels. Further south milder and brighter with sunny spells and showers. High pressure then looks to gradually build to the north, introducing cold and dry weather across the UK with the chance of wintry showers along eastern coastal areas. Feeling cold, potentially very cold, especially in brisk easterly winds with widespread overnight frosts and the risk of icy stretches and wintry hazards. There remains the possibility of milder and wetter conditions fringing the far northwest at times along with organised areas of cloud and precipitation making limited progress inland from the southwest.


Updated: 




Confidence is low for mid-February onwards however similar conditions look most likely with high pressure remaining to the north of the UK bringing overall colder than average conditions and below average precipitation amounts. Through this period the risk of wintry hazards continues to be greater than normal with snowfall most likely in eastern areas. There remains the possibility of less cold interludes occurring from the west and southwest bringing wetter and milder conditions. In such instances, at the boundary between cold and mild air masses there remains the risk of disruptive snowfall.


Updated: 




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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Gavin D
30 January 2021 19:21:59

BBC monthly outlook


Summary


Unsettled start with drier, colder weeks to follow


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Saturday 30 January – Sunday 7 February


Unsettled start to February; turning colder


This weekend will see a weak ridge of high pressure over Scotland and the North Sea keeping northern and eastern areas drier. A set of weather fronts will cross the southern half of the UK, bringing heavy rain and hill snow to Wales, the Midlands, and South England on both Saturday and Sunday. A colder air from the north will lead to a sharp frost for Saturday night and Sunday morning. Sunday will generally feel noticeably colder than Saturday for many. Next week, as the colder air lingers over the country from Sunday into Monday, there will be a more widespread risk of lowland snow Monday night and into Tuesday morning.

This is due to yet another advancing front from the west bringing bands of snow and cold rain. The front will also bring in some milder Atlantic air, so temperatures will recover to a bit above normal for southern areas. From midweek through the end of the working week, lows will weaken and drift away to the south with bands of rain or wintry precipitation easing for most. It will also slowly turn colder with temperatures dropping to near or a bit below average. High pressure is expected to build over Scandinavia as we head into the weekend. This will lead to the development of a strong easterly wind on Saturday and Sunday. This will bring a sharp cold air from Russia into the UK and may well bring some wintry showers to eastern areas. There is some uncertainty on the magnitude of the cold at the moment, which is highly sensitive to the exact strength of the high (and easterly winds through North Europe).


Monday 8 February – Sunday 14 February


Colder start to the week but less cold later


In mid-February, high pressure is expected to remain over Scandinavia at least for the first half of the week, keeping things rather cold. This setup is similar to the classic "Beast from the East" from 2018. There is potential for some heavy snow showers for eastern areas for the first few days of the week. However, this is very sensitive to the strength of the high to the northeast, and a minor shift will see the easterly winds fail to transport the coldest air from Russia all the way to us in the UK. We have high confidence that the high pressure system will develop, and it will turn colder than normal, but lower confidence on exactly how cold (and the potential for snow showers). Later in the week, the high in Scandinavia is expected to shift a bit further south and southeast, nearer to Belarus or western Russia.

This shift would kill off any easterly winds through the North Sea, shifting them more southeast. This is still a cold flow for us in this setup, but much less cold than the first half of the week is expected to be. This weather pattern is also drier for the UK, so some crisp afternoon sunshine is expected. The main risk for the mid-February forecast is for the easterly winds to linger for longer into the second half of the week if the high pressure system stubbornly remains over Scandinavia. This would make for a very cold, windy week across the country, but more so for eastern areas where it will feel very raw outside.


Monday 15 February – Sunday 28 February


Gradually turning drier but colder


For the second half of February, the drier and colder pattern from mid-February is expected to continue for the third week of the month. High pressure is likely to remain strong to the north of Europe and into Northeast and East Europe. This will result in some colder air sticking around for the UK as low pressure systems travel south into the Mediterranean. There is a chance for some very cold days to develop if high pressure lines up an easterly wind to transport the very cold air from Russia into the UK, but these would only last for 2-3 days at most at any one time. For the final week of February, high pressure to the north of Europe is expected to slowly decline and shift further away.

This will allow the jet stream, a ribbon of fast-moving air in the upper atmosphere that drives weather systems, to return to North Europe. This pattern would allow Atlantic weather systems to bring wetter but milder air in from the sub-tropical Atlantic as cold air becomes increasingly confined to Russia and Scandinavia. There is some uncertainty on the exact timing of the pattern shift though, and these cold winter highs tend to be rather tenacious and slow to decline. The main risk for late February is that high pressure and colder air stick around through the end of the month and into early March, making for a cold but somewhat dry February overall.


Further ahead


With the latest model data we will hopefully be able to pin down the magnitude and length of the cold outbreak in early-to-mid February with greater accuracy.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/outlook


 

MStewart
30 January 2021 19:47:04

Hard not to feel at least a little excited about that Bbc forecast. Something’s definitely brewing


 


Mark
Twickenham
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Ally Pally Snowman
30 January 2021 20:24:24

Originally Posted by: MStewart 


Hard not to feel at least a little excited about that Bbc forecast. Something’s definitely brewing


 



 


Yes great update cant really ask for much more at this time of year. And it's so much better written than the met office long range forecast really puts it to shame.


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roadrunnerajn
30 January 2021 20:34:15

On a simplistic level that low has only two options drift about in situ or drift SE. Pressure is high to the North,west,northeast and southwest. It’s hardly going to go northwest. 


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moomin75
30 January 2021 20:41:48

Originally Posted by: MStewart 


Hard not to feel at least a little excited about that Bbc forecast. Something’s definitely brewing


 


And then you watch the BBC longer range forecast tonight with Sarah Keith-Lucas, and its very bland and mentions just a slight risk of cold from the East, whereas yesterday's with Stav Danaous was far far more bullish.


I think the BBC longer range has taken into account the ECM operational of the last couple of days because its extremely bland.


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doctormog
30 January 2021 20:47:48

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


And then you watch the BBC longer range forecast tonight with Sarah Keith-Lucas, and its very bland and mentions just a slight risk of cold from the East, whereas yesterday's with Stav Danaous was far far more bullish.


I think the BBC longer range has taken into account the ECM operational of the last couple of days because its extremely bland.



The synoptics charts in that forecast are essentially straight from the ECM 00z op run.


Ally Pally Snowman
30 January 2021 20:59:14

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


And then you watch the BBC longer range forecast tonight with Sarah Keith-Lucas, and its very bland and mentions just a slight risk of cold from the East, whereas yesterday's with Stav Danaous was far far more bullish.


I think the BBC longer range has taken into account the ECM operational of the last couple of days because its extremely bland.



They seem to base their entire tv forecasts on the ECM Op. Very bizarre 


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Heavy Weather 2013
30 January 2021 21:11:53
BBC forecasts have gone downhill since they switched, I just feel it’s all dumbed down rubbish. Even as late as Thursday they were showing that front as all snow. The MetOffice were having none of it
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Gooner
30 January 2021 21:24:56

That's a great update 


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gavin D
31 January 2021 13:09:29

Friday 5 Feb - Sunday 14 Feb


Low pressure dominant over the UK at first bringing showers and perhaps spells of rain and snow over northern areas on Friday, with a chance of snow to lower levels. Further south milder and cloudy with showers. High pressure then looks to gradually build to the north, introducing cold and dry weather across the UK with the chance of wintry showers along eastern coastal areas. Feeling cold especially in brisk easterly winds with widespread overnight frosts and the risk of icy stretches and wintry hazards. There remains the possibility of milder and wetter conditions fringing the far northwest at times along with organised areas of cloud and precipitation making limited progress inland from the southwest.


Sunday 14 Feb - Sunday 28 Feb


Confidence is low for mid-February onwards however similar conditions look most likely with high pressure remaining to the north of the UK bringing overall colder than average conditions and below average precipitation amounts. Through this period the risk of wintry hazards continues to be greater than normal with snowfall most likely in eastern areas. There remains the possibility of less cold interludes occurring from the west and southwest bringing wetter and milder conditions. In such instances, at the boundary between cold and mild air masses there remains the risk of disruptive snowfall.


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/


 

Gooner
31 January 2021 13:12:09

Slight change in wording and " very cold" has been removed but still good 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


dagspot
31 January 2021 13:37:49
SKL on lunchtime BBC showing a messy slow moving low midweek on in the North with graphics showing mixed rain and snow. Mild temps and rain in south. Suggestion of something colder next weekend.
Not exactly ‘setting the heather alight’ for anyones preference.
Will probably bear no resemblance to what ultimately transpires.
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MRayner
31 January 2021 13:47:59

Originally Posted by: dagspot 

SKL on lunchtime BBC showing a messy slow moving low midweek on in the North with graphics showing mixed rain and snow. Mild temps and rain in south. Suggestion of something colder next weekend.
Not exactly ‘setting the heather alight’ for anyones preference.
Will probably bear no resemblance to what ultimately transpires.


watched the week ahead at 1300, it followed exactly , the current ECM 0z chart , with the warm air passing northern scotland on Saturday. !!


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Crepuscular Ray
31 January 2021 18:57:07
Countryfile forecast disappointing for most even Edinburgh. Rain and normal or mild temperatures. Snow mostly for Grampian & Highland. Nothing below 4 C here. They obviously do use ECM!
Jerry
Edinburgh, in the frost hollow below Blackford Hill
fairweather
31 January 2021 18:59:19

Countryfile forecast not very inspiring from Nick Miller. Emphasis on a lot more cold rain and floods in the south with snow at times for the North and Scotland. No mention of cold for the outlook, although I suppose next weekend is on the edge of that. Just said settling down next weekend and showed 9C for Saturday 6th.


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