KevBrads1
01 February 2021 05:44:42

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


 


 


OMG, I rarely watch Countryfiile but are you kidding me?


I can't recall Countryfile forecast going out to the middle of the following week, they may hint of the weather  of next weekend but that ECM op run was a massive outlier by that stage!


And why hint that far out with the uncertainty anyway. Ridiculous!



 


Here's the ECM 2m temperatures for Manchester based on that 0z run


 


https://stream.ecmwf.int/data/gorax-green-007/data/scratch/20210131-0750/54/render-gorax-green-007-6fe5cac1a363ec1525f54343b6cc9fd8-vD5zvr.png


 


 



You can see it was a massive outlier. Unbelievable and this is 10 days out 


I can only assume her eyes poped out of her head and a rush of blood overwhelmed meteorological common sense.


That is what I call tabloid meteorology. 


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KevBrads1
01 February 2021 05:49:50

Met Office text forecasts in recent times have become terrible what with "wintry rain" being used.


Latest Met Office text forecast for NW England 


 


Tonight:


A dry evening, with increasing levels of cloud and wind. Rain, occasionally heavy, moves northeast across the region during the small hours, turning to snow away from immediate coasts. Minimum temperature 0 °C.


Tuesday:


Windy throughout, with risks of icy stretches and coastal gales. Widespread rain and snow clears, leaving an unsettled mix of bright spells and heavy, blustery showers. Turning widespread again later. Maximum temperature 8 °C.


Outlook for Wednesday to Friday:


Remaining rather cold with outbreaks of rain throughout. Snow likely on Wednesday, and a smaller dusting expected Thursday. Winds strengthen Friday.


 


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Who writes this?


It says coastal gales. What coastal gales for tomorrow for this region? I checked the wind maps on the models for the region, what gales?!


13mph SEly for Blackpool for tomorrow on their own met office apps


Talks about outbreaks of rain throughout (Wednesday to Friday) but then says snow is likely Wednesday and a smaller dusting expected Thursday. ?????


What do they mean by a smaller dusting? A smaller dusting related to what and where?


 


Meaningless crap.


 


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White Meadows
01 February 2021 07:41:07

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


Met Office text forecasts in recent times have become terrible what with "wintry rain" being used.


Latest Met Office text forecast for NW England 


 


Tonight:


A dry evening, with increasing levels of cloud and wind. Rain, occasionally heavy, moves northeast across the region during the small hours, turning to snow away from immediate coasts. Minimum temperature 0 °C.


Tuesday:


Windy throughout, with risks of icy stretches and coastal gales. Widespread rain and snow clears, leaving an unsettled mix of bright spells and heavy, blustery showers. Turning widespread again later. Maximum temperature 8 °C.


Outlook for Wednesday to Friday:


Remaining rather cold with outbreaks of rain throughout. Snow likely on Wednesday, and a smaller dusting expected Thursday. Winds strengthen Friday.


 


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Who writes this?


It says coastal gales. What coastal gales for tomorrow for this region? I checked the wind maps on the models for the region, what gales?!


13mph SEly for Blackpool for tomorrow on their own met office apps


Talks about outbreaks of rain throughout (Wednesday to Friday) but then says snow is likely Wednesday and a smaller dusting expected Thursday. ?????


What do they mean by a smaller dusting? A smaller dusting related to what and where?


 


Meaningless crap.


 


Smaller dusting compared to the previous day?


I agree though these forecasts over recent times appear to be written hurriedly by an illiterate junior.

Tim A
01 February 2021 07:47:27
I assume an error with that NW Met Office Forecast Kevin, there is hardly any chance of snow on Wednesday or Thursday in the majority of NW England away from the Cumbrian fells.
Tim
NW Leeds
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nsrobins
01 February 2021 08:25:08
There appears to be some inconsistency between the forecast we can make based on available data and the BBC/Meteogroup.
Quite surprised actually - given the data and increasing confidence in something fairly high-end from Saturday in terms of cold and snowfall, you’d think some hints and heads-up would be in this mornings broadcasts.
I’ll make some enquiries 😉
Neil
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Gavin D
01 February 2021 13:35:34

Saturday 6 Feb - Monday 15 Feb


Remaining unsettled for much of the UK on Saturday with showers and longer spells of precipitation, wintry in places, especially in northern areas with a risk of heavy snowfall. High pressure then looks to gradually build to the north, which will introduce cold and dry weather across the UK, with widespread overnight frosts, though wintry showers could still feed in from the east coast at times. It will likely feel cold, or rather cold, especially in brisk easterly winds. Icy stretches along with other disruptive wintry hazards, remain a possibility for all areas. There also remains the possibility of milder and wetter conditions fringing the far northwest at times, along with organised areas of cloud and precipitation making limited progress inland from the southwest.


Monday 15 Feb - Monday 1 Mar


Confidence is low for mid-February onwards however similar conditions look most likely with high pressure remaining to the north of the UK, bringing overall colder than average conditions and below average precipitation amounts. Throughout this period the risk of wintry hazards continues to be greater than normal with snowfall possible for all areas, but most likely in eastern areas. There remains the possibility of less cold interludes occurring from the west and southwest, bringing wetter and milder conditions. In such instances, at the boundary between cold and mild air masses, there remains the risk of disruptive snowfall.


 


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/

Crepuscular Ray
01 February 2021 13:45:34
Just watched Helen Willets 1330 and certainly an upgrade for Scotlands snow. Heavy snow for the next 4 days across Grampian and Highland as if they don't have enough. Yesterday, the Central Belt was looking at rain for Wednesday but looks like the front remains a bit further south with snow continuing for the Central Belt and Southern Uplands. Looks like they've ditched last night's rubbish outlook
Jerry
Edinburgh, in the frost hollow below Blackford Hill
tallyho_83
01 February 2021 13:58:42

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


BBC monthly outlook


Summary


Unsettled start with drier, colder weeks to follow


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Saturday 30 January – Sunday 7 February


Unsettled start to February; turning colder


This weekend will see a weak ridge of high pressure over Scotland and the North Sea keeping northern and eastern areas drier. A set of weather fronts will cross the southern half of the UK, bringing heavy rain and hill snow to Wales, the Midlands, and South England on both Saturday and Sunday. A colder air from the north will lead to a sharp frost for Saturday night and Sunday morning. Sunday will generally feel noticeably colder than Saturday for many. Next week, as the colder air lingers over the country from Sunday into Monday, there will be a more widespread risk of lowland snow Monday night and into Tuesday morning.

This is due to yet another advancing front from the west bringing bands of snow and cold rain. The front will also bring in some milder Atlantic air, so temperatures will recover to a bit above normal for southern areas. From midweek through the end of the working week, lows will weaken and drift away to the south with bands of rain or wintry precipitation easing for most. It will also slowly turn colder with temperatures dropping to near or a bit below average. High pressure is expected to build over Scandinavia as we head into the weekend. This will lead to the development of a strong easterly wind on Saturday and Sunday. This will bring a sharp cold air from Russia into the UK and may well bring some wintry showers to eastern areas. There is some uncertainty on the magnitude of the cold at the moment, which is highly sensitive to the exact strength of the high (and easterly winds through North Europe).


Monday 8 February – Sunday 14 February


Colder start to the week but less cold later


In mid-February, high pressure is expected to remain over Scandinavia at least for the first half of the week, keeping things rather cold. This setup is similar to the classic "Beast from the East" from 2018. There is potential for some heavy snow showers for eastern areas for the first few days of the week. However, this is very sensitive to the strength of the high to the northeast, and a minor shift will see the easterly winds fail to transport the coldest air from Russia all the way to us in the UK. We have high confidence that the high pressure system will develop, and it will turn colder than normal, but lower confidence on exactly how cold (and the potential for snow showers). Later in the week, the high in Scandinavia is expected to shift a bit further south and southeast, nearer to Belarus or western Russia.

This shift would kill off any easterly winds through the North Sea, shifting them more southeast. This is still a cold flow for us in this setup, but much less cold than the first half of the week is expected to be. This weather pattern is also drier for the UK, so some crisp afternoon sunshine is expected. The main risk for the mid-February forecast is for the easterly winds to linger for longer into the second half of the week if the high pressure system stubbornly remains over Scandinavia. This would make for a very cold, windy week across the country, but more so for eastern areas where it will feel very raw outside.


Monday 15 February – Sunday 28 February


Gradually turning drier but colder


For the second half of February, the drier and colder pattern from mid-February is expected to continue for the third week of the month. High pressure is likely to remain strong to the north of Europe and into Northeast and East Europe. This will result in some colder air sticking around for the UK as low pressure systems travel south into the Mediterranean. There is a chance for some very cold days to develop if high pressure lines up an easterly wind to transport the very cold air from Russia into the UK, but these would only last for 2-3 days at most at any one time. For the final week of February, high pressure to the north of Europe is expected to slowly decline and shift further away.

This will allow the jet stream, a ribbon of fast-moving air in the upper atmosphere that drives weather systems, to return to North Europe. This pattern would allow Atlantic weather systems to bring wetter but milder air in from the sub-tropical Atlantic as cold air becomes increasingly confined to Russia and Scandinavia. There is some uncertainty on the exact timing of the pattern shift though, and these cold winter highs tend to be rather tenacious and slow to decline. The main risk for late February is that high pressure and colder air stick around through the end of the month and into early March, making for a cold but somewhat dry February overall.


Further ahead


With the latest model data we will hopefully be able to pin down the magnitude and length of the cold outbreak in early-to-mid February with greater accuracy.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/outlook


 



Just a reminder - their Monthly forecast was issued only a day or so back.


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Caprikid62
01 February 2021 14:24:22
I am expecting to see parts of Scotland receive a Amber warning before the day is out , especially over higher parts .

There is potential for quite a lot of snow tonight & tomorrow for most of Scotland away from costal areas .

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stophe
01 February 2021 14:26:15

Metoffice latest thoughts on the coming week


https://twitter.com/metoffice/status/1356240967850983424?s=20https://twitter.com/metoffice/status/1356240967850983424?s=20


https://twitter.com/metoffice/status/1356240967850983424?s=20

Notty
01 February 2021 15:05:14
METO

Week ahead - Link to the full forecast:

Notty
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Whiteout
01 February 2021 15:27:22
That is a cracking video update - watch and learn BBC 😬
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doctormog
01 February 2021 15:29:54
Yes, in terms of quality that is in a different league.
Crepuscular Ray
01 February 2021 15:56:31

A great video! Although it suggests Edinburgh having mostly rain on Wed and Thurs before it turns colder. The Highlands and Grampian though already have substantial amounts of snow so by the weekend goodness knows how much drifting snow they will have!


Jerry
Edinburgh, in the frost hollow below Blackford Hill
roadrunnerajn
01 February 2021 16:02:49

After a couple of days of slight thaw and freeze in the Highlands this week could bring them into avalanche territory.


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Rob K
01 February 2021 17:41:40
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/about-us/press-office/news/weather-and-climate/2021/more-snow-to-come-010221 

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surbitonweather
01 February 2021 20:51:35
The BBC 7-10 dayer could not be more different to the Met Office version! No mention of any significant cold or snow in the BBC forecast which was updated at 18.30 today........
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surbitonweather
01 February 2021 20:52:35
Here’s the BBC version......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/55895894 
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Ally Pally Snowman
01 February 2021 21:01:45

Originally Posted by: surbitonweather 

Here’s the BBC version......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/55895894


Not confident enough to have a proper punt yet would be my feeling.  Pretty woeful.  She basically missed out Sunday to Tuesday and said it might warm up Wednesday.  Surreal. 


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Jiries
01 February 2021 21:09:21

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


">https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/55895894


Not confident enough to have a proper punt yet would be my feeling.  Pretty woeful.  She basically missed out Sunday to Tuesday and said it might warm up Wednesday.  Surreal. 



They always against any cold that related to cold or snowy and don't realized that UK is not a hot country so cold and snow should be No1 on the forecasts for winter season.  I watched twice the Ian Mc Feb 1991 video today and really their graphics, symbols and presentation was a lot more advance than today ones.  I miss the old temps colour codes of blue, yellow and red and the map coloration of red heatwave to blue cold movements before which was more clearer than today ones.  Regardless what they put I expecting subzero temps to start from this Saturday here.

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