Brian Gaze
18 July 2019 20:05:03

Probably the hottest ECM run of all time at the 850 level. Utterly insane.


 


 


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Rob K
18 July 2019 20:08:28

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Probably the hottest ECM run of all time at the 850 level. Utterly insane.


 


 



Yes it has 40C written all over it I think!


 


GEFS for London shows the Op is not a total outlier but is one of a small cluster that ditch the heat early. The control stays in the furnace for longer and some prolong the serious heat for almost a full week.


 


Diagramme GEFS


 


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Brian Gaze
18 July 2019 20:11:25

Here's the ECMENC  12z SD.


 


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Arcus
18 July 2019 20:25:11

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


Yes it has 40C written all over it I think!


 


GEFS for London shows the Op is not a total outlier but is one of a small cluster that ditch the heat early. The control stays in the furnace for longer and some prolong the serious heat for almost a full week.



I was expecting the PPN line to be negligible, given it underestimates convective potential.


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18 July 2019 20:54:55

Originally Posted by: Shropshire 


No ensembles yet, but I would look for the Op to be a huge outlier as early as T96/120



And it is possibly the biggest outlier ever seen, with most members going for the cold front scenario on Wednesday with low pressure dominatng thereafter.


 


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Bertwhistle
18 July 2019 21:22:31

Originally Posted by: Shropshire 


 


And it is possibly the biggest outlier ever seen, with most members going for the cold front scenario on Wednesday with low pressure dominatng thereafter.


 



Which Op/ ensembles are you talking about, please; and, if you have a link, I might be able to access too.


Will be interesting to see the biggest outlier ever seen.


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18 July 2019 22:29:24
GFS 18z not having the new fashionable blowtorch thing. Fresh weather over us by Thursday. Will it be an outlier?
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19 July 2019 00:20:23

Originally Posted by: TimS 

GFS 18z not having the new fashionable blowtorch thing. Fresh weather over us by Thursday. Will it be an outlier?


Yes, yet another bloody outlier.


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bledur
19 July 2019 04:44:36

Well according to BBC week ahead the peak of the heat will be Tuesday and by the weekend we will be on the cold side of the Jet driven by a very active cold front coning off the Eastern Seaboard of the U.S. so it looks at the moment the least favoured option by the Met Offfice will be correct.

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19 July 2019 05:28:26

Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


 


Which Op/ ensembles are you talking about, please; and, if you have a link, I might be able to access too.


Will be interesting to see the biggest outlier ever seen.



Brian posted it a couple of posts above Ian's.


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19 July 2019 05:49:19

Originally Posted by: bledur 


Well according to BBC week ahead the peak of the heat will be Tuesday and by the weekend we will be on the cold side of the Jet driven by a very active cold front coning off the Eastern Seaboard of the U.S. so it looks at the moment the least favoured option by the Met Offfice will be correct.



Yes agreement from the models out so far that the warmth will be blown away on Thursday and next weekend looks dreadful.


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Sevendust
19 July 2019 06:02:39

Originally Posted by: Shropshire 


 


Yes agreement from the models out so far that the warmth will be blown away on Thursday and next weekend looks dreadful.



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19 July 2019 06:20:45

Originally Posted by: Shropshire 

 


Yes agreement from the models out so far that the warmth will be blown away on Thursday and next weekend looks dreadful.



GFS certainly collapses the heat wave on or about Thursday, and thereafter alternates brief pulses of heat from the south with breakdowns from the west. 'Next' weekend (you mean the 27th/28th?) is one with westerly input but doesn't look worse than an average British summer to me. Ensembles still mostly dry in the south though NE England and Scotland have a lot of rainfall spikes.


ECM shows the warmth hanging on but only just, with most of the plume heading up to the Baltic.


 


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19 July 2019 06:42:21
Possibly a bit more consensus between models this morning. It may change again - though we’re really only 3 days away from when things started to diverge - but looks mostly like a July 2003 event at the moment.
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Downpour
19 July 2019 07:08:09

Originally Posted by: DEW 


 


GFS certainly collapses the heat wave on or about Thursday, and thereafter alternates brief pulses of heat from the south with breakdowns from the west. 'Next' weekend (you mean the 27th/28th?) is one with westerly input but doesn't look worse than an average British summer to me. Ensembles still mostly dry in the south though NE England and Scotland have a lot of rainfall spikes.


ECM shows the warmth hanging on but only just, with most of the plume heading up to the Baltic.


 



 


indeed. I know he is trolling as usual but just for newcomers to the forum that one from Shropshire is one of the most misleading posts for a while. 


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Rob K
19 July 2019 07:47:01
You know, I reckon they could improve the accuracy of the NWP at a stroke simply by applying a 100-mile eastward shift to the raw output at each 24-hour step from 120 hours onwards. How often do we see these corrections, both summer and winter?
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19 July 2019 08:20:42
Looking back through the annals, not only is this a very similar evolution to July 2003 but also 1 July 2015. I think it’s a certain archetype of plume heatwave that repeats from time to time.
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bledur
19 July 2019 08:22:01

Looking at the models and reading John Hammond,s latest look ahead it seems this Heatwave will be shortlived and fairly isolated. Indeed the following week he hints at more widespread unsettled weather with a trough sat over us.

Saint Snow
19 July 2019 08:26:59

Originally Posted by: DEW 


 


GFS certainly collapses the heat wave on or about Thursday, and thereafter alternates brief pulses of heat from the south with breakdowns from the west. 'Next' weekend (you mean the 27th/28th?) is one with westerly input but doesn't look worse than an average British summer to me. Ensembles still mostly dry in the south though NE England and Scotland have a lot of rainfall spikes.


ECM shows the warmth hanging on but only just, with most of the plume heading up to the Baltic.



 


After a breakdown Thur/Fri with strong chances of PPN just about anywhere, next weekend looks perfectly acceptable. Fresher, yes, but mostly dry for most with plenty of sunshine around. BBC automated has even up here around 22c.


 



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Rob K
19 July 2019 08:42:23

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


 


After a breakdown Thur/Fri with strong chances of PPN just about anywhere, next weekend looks perfectly acceptable. Fresher, yes, but mostly dry for most with plenty of sunshine around. BBC automated has even up here around 22c.


 



Yes, in the south mid or even high 20s look feasible next weekend still. (Automated output on my phone for London has 28 and 26 for Sat and Sun, the Beeb has 26 and 25, and both show sunny intervals as the predominant weather type. Unsettled and cooler weather is likely to affect western and more northern parts, of course.


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