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Whether Idle
20 December 2018 16:40:50

The Christmas Day Plume detected by ECM 2 days ago and developed by GEM on the 0z has been picked up on the Met O 120:

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David M Porter
20 December 2018 16:45:19

Alrighty, who ordered a Scandi High?

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=gfs&var=1&run=12&time=288&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=3#mapref

 


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ballamar
20 December 2018 16:45:51
Whether Idle
20 December 2018 16:48:26

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU12_288_1.png

Scandinavia high at last shown up

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

Yes a tasty option in deep FI indeed.


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Maunder Minimum
20 December 2018 16:49:48

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU12_288_1.png

Scandinavia high at last shown up

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

Deep FI though and that has been all over the shop of late.

At least it should be dry next week, but it won't feel Christmassy.


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doctormog
20 December 2018 16:54:16

 

Is the SSW forecast absolute or relative? It's just that if it is that unusually low in the strat now isn't warming almost inevitable? Is it the absolute values that matter (i.e warmer than usual) or the rate of change i.e "the sudden"? Just wondering.

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

I believe the sudden part is important because of the knock on effects. The warming needs to cause a reversal of zonal winds 60°N at 10hPa to be classed as a major SSW and that is indeed forecast for the coming event. You do get minor SSW’s where there is a suddem rise in temperature in the stratosphere but it does not result in mean zonal wind reversal 10hPa at 60°N). 

Whether any of that leads to cold weather for us down the line, or indeed if the event occurs as currently models, remains to be seen.


Ally Pally Snowman
20 December 2018 17:00:02

Alrighty, who ordered a Scandi High?

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=gfs&var=1&run=12&time=288&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=3#mapref

 

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

 

Finally a decent GFS Op , A very snowy first few days of the year for the south.


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Saint Snow
20 December 2018 17:12:57

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU12_288_1.png

Scandinavia high at last shown up

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

 

Eyecandy, but looks unstable with too much energy going over the top.

We've had a distinct lack of pressure rises to our north the past few winters, with the main thrust of cold going to (or toward) the south of the UK.


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ballamar
20 December 2018 17:27:34

 

 

Eyecandy, but looks unstable with too much energy going over the top.

We've had a distinct lack of pressure rises to our north the past few winters, with the main thrust of cold going to (or toward) the south of the UK.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

 

step in the right direction, factoring in hopefully warming. End of run almost mirrors a split as well with potential extreme cold heading south

David M Porter
20 December 2018 17:43:18

 

Deep FI though and that has been all over the shop of late.

At least it should be dry next week, but it won't feel Christmassy.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

As with any solution in FI, what the GFS 12z shows needs to be treated with a great deal of caution. However, if there is to eventually be a chnage of pattern from what we have presently, it will have to begin from somewhere.

Let's all hope that maybe, just maybe, the GFS 12z solution could be the beginning of a change, but as ever time will tell on that one.


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marco 79
20 December 2018 18:10:25
Just to add...looks similar to the heights out of southern Europe heading north...47' style.....wishful thinking...

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/reanalysis.php?map=1&model=noaa&var=1&jaar=1947&maand=01&dag=19&uur=1800&h=0&tr=360&nmaps=64#mapref 


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tallyho_83
20 December 2018 18:59:03

 

As with any solution in FI, what the GFS 12z shows needs to be treated with a great deal of caution. However, if there is to eventually be a chnage of pattern from what we have presently, it will have to begin from somewhere.

Let's all hope that maybe, just maybe, the GFS 12z solution could be the beginning of a change, but as ever time will tell on that one.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

 

Yes - nice to see a change'- finally? now let's hope this is just the start!?


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tallyho_83
20 December 2018 19:11:59

Quite a big flip-flop and for the best! About time too! Nice to see the models starting to 'pick up' on this SSW.

Well considering this was the chart on the 06z run:

 

Compared with most recent 12z run:


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tallyho_83
20 December 2018 19:13:57

 

 

Finally a decent GFS Op , A very snowy first few days of the year for the south.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Ties in well with what the Met Office have been saying - about Jan?

It could be downgraded, or delayed as it's the first the GFS op model has picked up on this SSW.


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Stolen Snowman
20 December 2018 19:18:17

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Agreed, the ensembles have that feel about them at the moment.

I still think next week is all to play for. I think something at short notice may crop up.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

I’m hoping so too, if only to keep my winter forecast on track...

 


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Gavin D
20 December 2018 21:00:21

A poor ECM ens if it's cold weather you're seeking

nsrobins
20 December 2018 21:00:56

 

Ties in well with what the Met Office have been saying - about Jan?

It could be downgraded, or delayed as it's the first the GFS op model has picked up on this SSW.

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

I suspect it’s just GFS variability rafter than SSW/reversal driven as that isn’t due until around 1st Jan and then it needs to propagate to where the Troph can be affected. I think a few more days are required if we’re going to see SSW driven synoptics but anything in the mean time is definitely a bonus.


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Gavin D
20 December 2018 21:27:27

UKMO extended keeps the UK in a relatively mild set-up with some patchy rain/drizzle in the west

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ballamar
20 December 2018 23:39:07
Bit different on GFS but shows uncertainty- must be the drones stopping all the data 😂
White Meadows
21 December 2018 00:03:12

Bit different on GFS but shows uncertainty- must be the drones stopping all the data 😂

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂😂

tallyho_83
21 December 2018 02:20:51

Woah! This is a really strong PV in FI to start 2019 wow!


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)

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Bertwhistle
21 December 2018 06:56:31

A moment of chocolate box indulgence with P3; then back to reality.

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/chart.aspx?chart=///www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/gefs/3_360_850tmp.png?cb=401

Op and Control are both riding high in a predominantly mild pack, but they are close together a long way out, interestingly, and the persistent and often slack European high is mirrored in ECM to 240.

Op gives double digit temps most days forever.

 


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Gavin D
21 December 2018 08:07:01

Not too bad from ECM over the next 10 days boxing day possibly the mildest day of the period

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Gavin D
21 December 2018 08:08:32

UKMO extended keeps the UK in a fairly mild set-up with some rain in the west

 

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Whether Idle
21 December 2018 08:20:42
The mild outlook some of us have been prepared to analyse within the 10 day period, continues, and strengthens in confidence this morning. We are probably looking at the second mildest December in the past thirty years (since 1988).
Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.

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